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August 05, 2019, 02:10:03 PM
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Hello to the community!

Back in February 2010, dwdollar founded BitcoinMarket and sold 333 bitcoin= 1USD on his website...
I would like to know, wich wallets were using at this moment if you bought on his website?!

I couldn't find anything more than a screenshot about BitcoinMarket.

Someone has more details? Cheers

Thank you for your answers!
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August 05, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
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Bitcoin-Qt I guess, so you're looking for a file "wallet.dat" (although I'm not sure if it was called the same from the beginning).

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Bitcoin-Qt I guess, so you're looking for a file "wallet.dat" (although I'm not sure if it was called the same from the beginning).

Im positive it was already using wallet.dat files since day one because I remember compiling a 2010 bitcoin client. I reckon there was no encryption yet. I guess he was running a very rudimentary setup back then, that is, running a node 24/7 and manually validating withdraws. SPV wallets didn't arrive until 2011. From the wiki:

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Trading on the site began on March 17th, 2010[1]

A major update to the site occurred in March, 2011. Among the changes were: smaller minimum trade size, 24 X 7 trading, and some steps to help ensure that payment would be made for trades that execute.

Though the site at one time was used for trading using PayPal as payment method, fraud caused the exchange to discontinue PayPal trading on June 4, 2011[2].

The Bitcoin Market website showed a graph of the Bitcoin exchange rate in US Dollars. This data was also offered in JSON format.


For historical purposes this is how 2010 bitcoin2cash site operated:

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For every 200 bitcoins sent to 1CRZpkKKAt7G5uiK4JPBjBJGnozgiatFAs you will receive $1.00 USD in cash by mail or via Paypal.

Send transaction details to sales@bitcoin2cash.com after the transfer.

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The prices shown here are subject to change after we establish a market value.

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August 06, 2019, 08:41:57 AM
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Thank you for yours answered! I'm wonder if Bitcoin Qt has also use a seed phrase?

Bitcoinmarket was launched on 6 February 2010 not 17 March...
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August 06, 2019, 08:47:27 AM
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Thank you for yours answered! I'm wonder if Bitcoin Qt has also use a seed phrase?
I知 pretty sure Bitcoin Qt/Core never supported seed mnemonics. Back in the old days you actually had to backup its wallet file constantly to get the new generated private keys (after some spending transactions).

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August 06, 2019, 10:38:05 AM
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Thank you for yours answered! I'm wonder if Bitcoin Qt has also use a seed phrase?
I知 pretty sure Bitcoin Qt/Core never supported seed mnemonics. Back in the old days you actually had to backup its wallet file constantly to get the new generated private keys (after some spending transactions).

Yep. Bitcoin Core didn't contain a HD (Hierarchical Deterministic) wallet until 2016:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8035

Before this implementation Bitcoin Qt didn't derive its addresses from a seed but at random (hence why you had to regularly backup your wallet file).

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August 06, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
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This address : 1PTYXwamXXgQoAhDbmUf98rY2Pg1pYXhin

If this address bought some Bitcoin on BitcoinMarket in 2010, was it by credit card, paypal?
Were at this time those bitcoin  could be stock?

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August 06, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
Last edit: August 06, 2019, 05:12:18 PM by AdolfinWolf
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This address : 1PTYXwamXXgQoAhDbmUf98rY2Pg1pYXhin

If this address bought some Bitcoin on BitcoinMarket in 2010, was it by credit card, paypal?
Were at this time those bitcoin  could be stock?

Thank you to you people for always give some answer!

I知 pretty sure that would be very hard to tell with just the adress alone.

You値l probably need more information. (Bitcoinmarket database or a former employee?)

In his original thread i only see a reference to paypal though. I doubt they accepted CC, but i could also very well be wrong.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20.msg1014#msg1014

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Were at this time those bitcoin  could be stock?
You mean where they are stored/who owns them? Again, probably impossible to tell. Only the site operators could possibly link someone to a withdraw adress. (Either via their paypal, or their card(?) which by the way, would致e been trivially easy to fake back in 2010. I doubt KYC was actually even required for such small amounts.)

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August 06, 2019, 05:40:42 PM
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This address : 1PTYXwamXXgQoAhDbmUf98rY2Pg1pYXhin

If this address bought some Bitcoin on BitcoinMarket in 2010, was it by credit card, paypal?
Were at this time those bitcoin  could be stock?

Thank you to you people for always give some answer!
The address you posted actual bought 3233.17BTC ~= $38,132,403.49 now, in the year you mentioned and I'm not so sure there's possibility to know if those BTC were bought through credit card or paypal then but the BTCs are automatically saved in the wallet private keys which you'll find in the wallet.dat since bitcoin Qt/Core never support mnemonic seeds.

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August 06, 2019, 05:46:05 PM
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Thank you for yours answered! I'm wonder if Bitcoin Qt has also use a seed phrase?
I知 pretty sure Bitcoin Qt/Core never supported seed mnemonics. Back in the old days you actually had to backup its wallet file constantly to get the new generated private keys (after some spending transactions).

Yep. Bitcoin Core didn't contain a HD (Hierarchical Deterministic) wallet until 2016:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8035

Furthermore, HD wallet was firstly proposed on 2012

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki

This address : 1PTYXwamXXgQoAhDbmUf98rY2Pg1pYXhin

If this address bought some Bitcoin on BitcoinMarket in 2010, was it by credit card, paypal?

No one can tell just by knowing your Bitcoin address. But according to
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12678.0;all

Looks lite Bitcoin Market uses PayPal as payment processor, but take note you can either use PayPal account or credit card to complete a payment (i'm not sure if this option was available on 2010 or enabled by default though)

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August 06, 2019, 10:34:43 PM
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Yes , I meant "stored"  sorry my mistake..

Hmmm so there wasnt mnemonics seeds  and private keys were on Bitcoin QT.. I can say goodbye to my hopes... last year,  I slow away my old laptop in rabbish.. ( it was borken) I remember about some wallet.dat  I used long time ago..

Maybe...I saved it on a hard driver somewhere, need to fix it( also broken) then see if I left anything somewhere..

If anything new, I promise writing again at here..

I'm going back to my country ,maybe on this year and then will see for fix it

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Hmmm so there wasnt mnemonics seeds  and private keys were on Bitcoin QT.. I can say goodbye to my hopes... last year,  I slow away my old laptop in rabbish.. ( it was borken) I remember about some wallet.dat  I used long time ago..

Maybe...I saved it on a hard driver somewhere, need to fix it( also broken) then see if I left anything somewhere..

Why not take out your hard disk from the broken laptop and use "enclosure" or any HDD to USB adapter to connect the hard disk to working PC. and then use software like "Everything" to find the exact term "wallet.dat" it will be easy to find it using the everything search utility tool. Just put the possible name of your wallet.dat or default_wallet.dat it will show instantly but if the wallet name is incorrect you can't find it.

You can also go directly to this path C:\Users\admin\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin and look for wallet folder.
If the folder does not exist maybe bitcoin-qt is not the right wallet you are looking for.

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last year,  I slow away my old laptop in rabbish.. ( it was borken)
Why not take out your hard disk from the broken laptop and use "enclosure" or any HDD to USB adapter to connect the hard disk to working PC.
Because he doesn't have the laptop anymore Roll Eyes He threw it away in the rubbish (at least, that's what I think "slow away my old laptop in rabbish" means Wink)


Maybe...I saved it on a hard driver somewhere, need to fix it( also broken) then see if I left anything somewhere..
Fingers crossed you made some backups of your wallet.dat. If not, then indeed... you can "can say goodbye to your hopes" Sad

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Hello!

I still wonder... how does people could generate a private bitcoin key in 2009/ 2010?

Possibly that many people looking for a wallet but there wasnt e-wallet sometimes...already Private keys,, I'm sure lot of people missunderstood on that...like me I did.. I was looking for a wallet but actualy, Private keys hOLD  Bitcoin, not the e-wallet...

Kind of bitaddress.org (already been there in early 2010)?

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Kind of bitaddress.org (already been there in early 2010)?
Wiki stated that "paper wallets were popular between 2011 and 16", the first generation tool wasn't documented.
But it said "popular" means that paper wallets may have been available before 2011.

It's possible to manually create one using "dumpprivkey" command from an offline newly generated wallet.dat.
Some might have used this method.

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Hello!

I still wonder... how does people could generate a private bitcoin key in 2009/ 2010?

Possibly that many people looking for a wallet but there wasnt e-wallet sometimes...already Private keys,, I'm sure lot of people missunderstood on that...like me I did.. I was looking for a wallet but actualy, Private keys hOLD  Bitcoin, not the e-wallet...

Kind of bitaddress.org (already been there in early 2010)?

Thanks to all people who replied my messages till now!!

The way you generated a private key in 2009/2010 was with the official client. There weren't other implementations, and there weren't SPV services until 2011 ish so there werent any "blockchain.info" webwallets, let alone Electrums and so on. So Bitcoin-qt was it.

If you wanted to buy on the ancient markets (like bitcoin2cash) then you had to manually do the whole thing. Send an email, wait for a deposit address.. the whole lot. I guess you could have automated this with javascript by having a ton of deposit address and hand them on request but I reckon it was really primitive stuff and you had to email dwola which I think was the admin of that site or he ran a similar one.




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