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August 09, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
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3. The US taxpayers bailed out Wall Street. A tiny tax on certain transactions is only fair, and it would limit high frequency stock trading which if we're honest is just a high tech form of stealing. This wouldn't really affect regular people who buy a stock because they believe in a company and hold it for five, ten or more years.

This would be very good but I also think probably unlikely to come about. High frequency trading is the backbone of the industry, they would find a way to get waivers in for industry so they'd never pay those fees. I think Sanders would be able to have some positive impact in this direction but not nearly the amount needed for real reform.
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August 09, 2019, 09:12:40 PM
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LOL.  The stock market will drop 80% if this moron gets elected.

Capital will flee to Asia.  USD will collapse. Gold will be re-priced, north of 3K. US military complex will be undermined which will lead to major changes to the world's political map.

China, Russia will exert their might, annex few countries, control Africa and the Middle East.  South America will turn socialist and follow in the footsteps of Venezuela.

You better hope Bernie is not elected.  His election would lead to structural economic and political changes that will not be easy to reverse.

People were saying the exact same things about Trump - maybe even worse - and what actually happened? Nothing. Nothing happened. There's a lot of butt hurt people walking around moaning about how awful he is but really nothing has changed. The presidency is more of a figurehead position. The tide will likely turn against Trump in 2020, but will the machinations of the government actually change, regardless of who replaces him? Slightly, at best.

This is without a doubt true, and for a person to say this they're fear mongering. We have to be honest about the true power of the presidency, and the fact that they don't have almighty power to do as they please all they want for whatever reason they want.

The President is tamed by their advisers, congress, and the courts -- they're unable to just do whatever they want just because that's what makes them happy.

Also -- no one fucking knows what the market is going to do at any given moment. But we're sure it can go up, down, or stay the same. Simple.




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August 10, 2019, 05:38:31 AM
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LOL.  The stock market will drop 80% if this moron gets elected.

Capital will flee to Asia.  USD will collapse. Gold will be re-priced, north of 3K. US military complex will be undermined which will lead to major changes to the world's political map.

China, Russia will exert their might, annex few countries, control Africa and the Middle East.  South America will turn socialist and follow in the footsteps of Venezuela.

You better hope Bernie is not elected.  His election would lead to structural economic and political changes that will not be easy to reverse.

People were saying the exact same things about Trump - maybe even worse - and what actually happened? Nothing. Nothing happened. There's a lot of butt hurt people walking around moaning about how awful he is but really nothing has changed. The presidency is more of a figurehead position. The tide will likely turn against Trump in 2020, but will the machinations of the government actually change, regardless of who replaces him? Slightly, at best.

This is without a doubt true, and for a person to say this they're fear mongering. We have to be honest about the true power of the presidency, and the fact that they don't have almighty power to do as they please all they want for whatever reason they want.

The President is tamed by their advisers, congress, and the courts -- they're unable to just do whatever they want just because that's what makes them happy.

Also -- no one fucking knows what the market is going to do at any given moment. But we're sure it can go up, down, or stay the same. Simple.

Except when people said this about Trump is was 100% hysteria, as it always has been, and continues to be. Not based on policy positions, but based on people's emotional reactions to him. It is quite arguable that Bernie Sander's policy positions could very easily destroy the economy of the USA. Free healthcare for example, just one of his policy positions could absorb the entirety of all tax collections and then some. Then he has positions such as raising the minimum wage, which again demonstrate complete ignorance of economics and have an overall destructive effect to the economy because it results in employers cutting hours and firing people to make up the difference if not just outright shutting down. There are so many examples of his insane inability to comprehend even basic economic principles.


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August 10, 2019, 01:31:02 PM
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It is quite arguable that Bernie Sander's policy positions could very easily destroy the economy of the USA. Free healthcare for example, just one of his policy positions could absorb the entirety of all tax collections and then some. Then he has positions such as raising the minimum wage, which again demonstrate complete ignorance of economics and have an overall destructive effect to the economy because it results in employers cutting hours and firing people to make up the difference if not just outright shutting down. There are so many examples of his insane inability to comprehend even basic economic principles.


Healthcare in the US is broken and that is the reason for the high prices, over the long term, medicare for all saves us trillions of dollars. We are supporting useless leeches at the insurance companies that do nothing but take our money, raise prices and try to deny care, this has to end.

Raising the minimum wage improves things if anything, large employers such as Walmart would still be extremely profitable even if they paid a minimum of $15 an hour.


You can look at places in the US where the minimum wage is raised a lot more than the federal over the years, they are doing as well or better than places that have lower minimum wages. Unemployment doesn't seem to increase with increasing minimum wages either.

There are tons of studies that support my point of view. I can't dig them up right now, but you're definitely wrong on this.

Here's a video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-aOmwtYpEw
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btw, 5 million of the 6 million views, are viewbots.
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August 10, 2019, 02:53:49 PM
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btw, 5 million of the 6 million views, are viewbots.

YouTube has some very sophisticated systems to catch that sort of thing, Bernie wouldn't waste the money on viewbots and the video has high engagement with a lot of comments and likes and dislikes for the views.

I just don't see it and you offer no proof.

Just because you don't like the video content and popularity it doesn't mean that the numbers are fake.
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btw, 5 million of the 6 million views, are viewbots.

YouTube has some very sophisticated systems to catch that sort of thing, Bernie wouldn't waste the money on viewbots and the video has high engagement with a lot of comments and likes and dislikes for the views.

I just don't see it and you offer no proof.

Just because you don't like the video content and popularity it doesn't mean that the numbers are fake.

link me any video I will dump 100000 views onto, link me any stream ill dump "10,000 live viewers" into it, link me any twitter I`ll give it 10000`s of followers.

I do like what Bernie says, a lot of it, but he is still a fed shill at the end of the day.

https://www.viewgrip.net/
https://twitch-viewerbot.com/
https://www.followliker.com/

Learn from a real man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG9qeEvCwjA This is what real engagement looks like.
Look at the comments and like ratio to view/sub ratio, notice the comments are non generic bot comments that actually relate to the video.

Go ahead swift through the JRE comments on that Bernie video
"my favorite skin in fortnite is the pink bear"
"That is a cool effect"
"Space is really big"

Now that is not to say Bernie or Joe are the ones botting themselves, I was a livestreamer on twitch and had 3000+ live viewers at one point in time, Blizzard was viewbotting me because I was playing one of their games. To promote their game and keep playing it. Anyone can bot anyone.
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link me any video I will dump 100000 views onto, link me any stream ill dump "10,000 live viewers" into it, link me any twitter I`ll give it 10000`s of followers.

I do like what Bernie says, a lot of it, but he is still a fed shill at the end of the day.

https://www.viewgrip.net/
https://twitch-viewerbot.com/
https://www.followliker.com/

Learn from a real man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG9qeEvCwjA This is what real engagement looks like.
Look at the comments and like ratio to view/sub ratio, notice the comments are non generic bot comments that actually relate to the video.

Go ahead swift through the JRE comments on that Bernie video
"my favorite skin in fortnite is the pink bear"
"That is a cool effect"
"Space is really big"

Now that is not to say Bernie or Joe are the ones botting themselves, I was a livestreamer on twitch and had 3000+ live viewers at one point in time, Blizzard was viewbotting me because I was playing one of their games. To promote their game and keep playing it. Anyone can bot anyone.

Ok then, bot that video you linked 100k views let's see if that works.

Smaller videos will have a higher ratio of likes and comments to views, simply because they have a smaller more dedicated audience.

Edit: The Ron Paul video you linked has about          0.025% views leading to comments
        The Joe Rogan Bernie Sanders video has about 0.02%

Engagement isn't all that different. Now consider that the video with Ron Paul has only a small fraction of the subscribers of the channel, and those are going to be more active, being fanatical enough to watch anything the channel uploads, compared to Joe Rogan, whose video is also reaching a much broader, less likely to engage, audience.

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August 18, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
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It is quite arguable that Bernie Sander's policy positions could very easily destroy the economy of the USA. Free healthcare for example, just one of his policy positions could absorb the entirety of all tax collections and then some. Then he has positions such as raising the minimum wage, which again demonstrate complete ignorance of economics and have an overall destructive effect to the economy because it results in employers cutting hours and firing people to make up the difference if not just outright shutting down. There are so many examples of his insane inability to comprehend even basic economic principles.


Healthcare in the US is broken and that is the reason for the high prices, over the long term, medicare for all saves us trillions of dollars. We are supporting useless leeches at the insurance companies that do nothing but take our money, raise prices and try to deny care, this has to end.

Raising the minimum wage improves things if anything, large employers such as Walmart would still be extremely profitable even if they paid a minimum of $15 an hour.


You can look at places in the US where the minimum wage is raised a lot more than the federal over the years, they are doing as well or better than places that have lower minimum wages. Unemployment doesn't seem to increase with increasing minimum wages either.

There are tons of studies that support my point of view. I can't dig them up right now, but you're definitely wrong on this.

Here's a video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-aOmwtYpEw



I agree there are a lot of useless leeches benefiting from the bureaucracy, but this is also a well known and inevitable result of any entitlement program. There is plenty of evidence that raises in minimum wage mandates have the opposite of the intended effect. I understand the argument but it is like saying water is good for you then holding you underwater in a filled bathtub thinking it will be extra good for you because there is more water. It is better to let the market decide as much as reasonably possible, and yes that some times includes what should be well defined regulation to preserve workers rights or else we might as well be China.

"Survival of the Fittest: The Impact of the Minimum Wage on Firm Exit" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2951110

https://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/files/NBER%20Working%20Paper.pdf

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/seattle-s-failed-minimum-wage-experiment

P.S. if you are gonna tell me I am wrong back it up, don't just assure me you are right.


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I see Sanders rising sharply in the Democrats primary poll before Mach 2020. His policies resonates with the millennial and young educated Whites, as well as Blacks and some Hispanics. Biden (to me) is not a credible candidate as he has plenty of unpleasant baggage that Trump could exploit and shred him into pieces.

Warren seems too weak to go all out against Trump in a soon to be heated and tensed campaign. While Harris is nothing but Hillary Clinton 2.0. So, to me, Bernie Sanders is the only credible option to reasonably challenge Trump.

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