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August 10, 2019, 07:44:52 PM
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August 10, 2019, 08:11:59 PM
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A shill account posting a scam accusation. Genius.

GTFO.

GameCredits Unofficial: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254720.0   Funniest/stupidest shit list thread ever:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg20344174#msg20344174 - The ultimate example of trust abuse by exposed scammer craslovell...
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August 10, 2019, 08:38:43 PM
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A shill account posting a scam accusation. Genius.

GTFO.

A a FUD acount posting a Shill accusation. Genius
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Mosprognoz is making many friends, NOT!


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Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!

Unless you provide proof of this, your accusation has no weight.
Until you do that, I  will oppose the flag for insufficient evidence.

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Please support the flag! Thank you in advance!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=616

Also, please oppose our projects that we invested in fake accusations flags:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=614

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=615

Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence
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Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!

Unless you provide proof of this, your accusation has no weight.
Until you do that, I  will oppose the flag for insufficient evidence.

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Please support the flag! Thank you in advance!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=616

Also, please oppose our projects that we invested in fake accusations flags:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=614

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=615

This guy has been trying to sell as fake bitcointalk accounts, however we have ignored him (see screens attached). Today, he tried to blackmail us and as all acquisitions are false and creators of them have disappeared years ago, we have banned this guy to avoid spam.

 


We have more info about this guy and we are going to give all information about this guy to Europol, our advisors are taking care of this. We will not let this guy run away after trying to blackmail us.

The proof that he is asking for money:




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Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!

Unless you provide proof of this, your accusation has no weight.
Until you do that, I  will oppose the flag for insufficient evidence.

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Please support the flag! Thank you in advance!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=616

Also, please oppose our projects that we invested in fake accusations flags:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=614

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=615

Scam accusation after scam accusation day in day out for months.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg21864173#msg21864173
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg23231688#msg23231688
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg23489935#msg23489935
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg23644250#msg23644250
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg24410235#msg24410235
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg24698110#msg24698110
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg24910393#msg24910393
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg30699448#msg30699448
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg31934190#msg31934190
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg32064387#msg32064387
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg32479111#msg32479111
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg32622107#msg32622107
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg32851320#msg32851320
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg34846992#msg34846992
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg35857063#msg35857063
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg36603018#msg36603018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg37782996#msg37782996
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg39791761#msg39791761
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40010196#msg40010196
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40099820#msg40099820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40150873#msg40150873
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40157441#msg40157441
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40161911#msg40161911
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg40166142#msg40166142
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg50613316#msg50613316
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg50652120#msg50652120
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51139169#msg51139169
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51335491#msg51335491
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51517940#msg51517940
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51517956#msg51517956
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51606402#msg51606402
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51607864#msg51607864
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51612156#msg51612156
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51621602#msg51621602
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51656129#msg51656129
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51661242#msg51661242
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51667460#msg51667460
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51702370#msg51702370
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51832065#msg51832065
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51915806#msg51915806
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51921607#msg51921607
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51922668#msg51922668
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51923037#msg51923037
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52012066#msg52012066
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52064415#msg52064415
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52066448#msg52066448
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52067757#msg52067757
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52069327#msg52069327
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52069984#msg52069984
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52076211#msg52076211
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52086521#msg52086521
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52087314#msg52087314
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091080#msg52091080
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091206#msg52091206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091452#msg52091452
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52092535#msg52092535
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52092701#msg52092701
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093946#msg52093946
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094123#msg52094123
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52106448#msg52106448
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52106786#msg52106786
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52107212#msg52107212

and lot's and lot's more. Yes mister Mosprognoz has been keeping the mods very busy as half of the posts is already deleted.
As a matter of fact someone must be a real Sherlock to find a post on mister Mosprognoz his account which is not a scam accusastion. And now you are going to tell me that all this effort comes straight from the kindness of his heart?

well let us see how nice he is:

what about this nice one if my grandpa was a Nazi.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093134#msg52093134

or if someone is schizoprenic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093710#msg52093710

the homophobic and sexual herrasment posts are unfortunately deleted by the admins. (but i'm sure we can produce some evidence from that)
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August 11, 2019, 01:55:06 AM
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Wonderful !  just read my answers here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5174337.msg52120771#msg52120771
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Yes Yes, but let's focus on your rape threats:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627

As you message was reportes among the thousands Mods had to delete, but as I expected you to deny everything, I kept a copy (The Admin can find the deleted post and confirm it is yours and not changed)

I am probably old enough to fuck my mom.

Ooo. Dude, I am sure your mom was a whore. And she was fucking random dudes in front of you. And you liked it. Now your wife is doing the same and you like to watch that too... Let me fuck the wife of yours for 0.0001 BTC.. I am sure it is much more than bankera scammers are paying you

For archive... and Can any Moderation tell us if the forum tolerates this kind of  language?
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Nice thread. Spammers and scammers opened a scam accusation thread. Wow... Grin
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(The Admin can find the deleted post and confirm it is yours and not changed)

Admin can also find the real quote of MontyMcMoo where he offered me to bang up my mother. That's why he got such a answer from me. Bankera and Spectrocoin both have  active flags now and they really deserved them. Jimmy, I am tired of bankera, you and all of your countless shill accounts. I am out of bankera scammy thread. Go and find a proper job Jimmy instead of guarding scammers thread 24/7. Take care ang Bye...  
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(The Admin can find the deleted post and confirm it is yours and not changed)

Admin can also find the real quote of MontyMcMoo where he offered me to bang up my mother. That's why he got such a answer from me. Bankera and Spectrocoin both have  active flags now and they really deserved them. Jimmy, I am tired of bankera, you and all of your countless shill accounts. I am out of bankera scammy thread. Go and find a proper jon Jimmy instead of guarding scammers thread 24/7. Take care ang Bye...  

The flag you put yourself to Bankera  after they refused to pay you for any account sell here, and then you turned against them to FUD untill they pay.

MontyMcMoo was answering you that HE (Not that YOU) was old enough to fuck his mother after you insulted him saying "Motherfucker"

And then you just tell people that they can rape his mother and his wife if they pay him, this is a call for a rape no matter if it is paid or not and this is a very serious thing that Mods carred about and deleted your posts
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they refused to pay you for any account sell here, and then you turned against them to FUD untill they pay.

I never asked for a single dollar Jimmy. That kind of accusation needs real proofs and you do not have them. Bye Jimmy boy. Enjoy talking to yourself.
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August 11, 2019, 09:03:24 AM
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Well Let's face it. Untill today there wasn't one single piece off evidence presented. becides hundreds of inults scam accusations NOTHING was found.

What we can see on the other hand. Is that our dear mister Mosprognoz is hiding behind an alter ego. Why doesn't he tell who he is? If he is only helping us all there wouldn't be a problem to know who he really is right?
Let's get the playing field on that same level that YOU GUYS want.
Who is the mysterious Mosprognoz? We all know who Bankera is and their founders.
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Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!

Unless you provide proof of this, your accusation has no weight.
Until you do that, I  will oppose the flag for insufficient evidence.

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Please support the flag! Thank you in advance!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=616

Also, please oppose our projects that we invested in fake accusations flags:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=614

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=615

You saw what you have too saw?!
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627 "I am sure your mom was a whore. And she was fucking random dudes in front of you. And you liked it. Now your wife is doing the same and you like to watch that too... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093134#msg52093134 "your grandpa was a Nazi... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093568#msg52093568 "You are a worthless piece of shit... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093885#msg52093885 "Take photos up your scummy ass... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627 "Let me fuck the wife of yours for 0.0001 BTC.
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Mosprognoz Trust page:


Here just one comment:

Scammer. Multi Account: kruglikov, mosprognoz, atenolol, gorbal. Wanted to create a scam coin, when we rejected, they sent bad feed back. here is what he/she wanted: You gonna do the fork and we will split the premine 10% 50/50. It is a wonderful possibility to make couple of million dollars in 1 week. I want to do something similar to litecoin cash, where the dudes dumped premine for 5 dollars within the first 3 days and milked 3 000 000 dollars out of that. That might look as a scam but WHO CARES. If you are interested open the telegram account and lets start making EASY MONEY.


Some other users feedback about him/her (MOSPRONGNOZ):

Tommy Cash   2018-03-28      Scammer. The account of extortionists and the team of scammers are created only to defame the reputation of the project Fire Lotto

Evidence:
https://image.ibb.co/fp01hn/1.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/hGjDTS/2.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/eCehOS/e7e565b2_e10a_40aa_bcf9_3b3e0c3079a9.jpg
https://b.radikal.ru/b42/1803/6e/f1958c607219.jpg
https://d.radikal.ru/d00/1803/64/3983be6624ea.jpg

MirkoIta   2019-06-19   posting fake info and accusing persons of supporting and being paid by alleged scams. Also abuse trust system. Most likely paid by someone to spread false informations or just a retarded without a life. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg51517940#msg51517940

majestyz5   2019-06-11   beware he will try to scam you but obviously will fail because he is a dumb cunt and then will acusse you of scamming and he will lie
note: extreme dumb you can spot a scammer like him miles away so just avoid wasting your time with him. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149470.0

jen.hank   2019-06-11   he just tried to scam my friend we are new on this forum he think we are dumb like him avoid dealing with him he is just a ripper and a scammy scumbag. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149470.0

FintechEU   2017-10-23   The group of fraudsters extorts money and is a part of PR war which started against our company in September 20

They also use Marina Uni, Jemura and Veleor nicknames.

Please take a look at the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2223444.40

There are all REAL facts instead of their fake ones.

We are very bright and well-known multi award-winning company with EU financial license, track record since 2015 and over 25,000 active clients including 1000+ businesses, PCI DSS compliance certificate, iOS mobile app and over 10 payment solutions for everyone available at https://worldcore.eu since 2015.

Worldcore has been also recently evaluated by Ernst & Young Valuations and evaluation report confirms that the value of company exceeds $30m right now by the moment it launched ICO.

We really hope for understanding because it's all too verifiable....

For example, Marina Uni made 393 of 393 total posts since September 20 and all of them was a fake information about Worldcore:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1162311

Please apply measures against these fraudsters. References: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2223444.40

And there are tons others!! delightful history
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My request for facts to support allegations of blackmail by Mosprognoz : my edit
Thank you for asking for proofs and we would like you and all others to evaluate the situation as well - your time is appreciated.
You can see the proofs quoted by the other member. We are definitely not looking for blind support and would like people to know the truth and do what their good conscious tells them to do. You may read the users messages I shared links of and see his arguments and our responses and evaluate who in fact has the truth.

Ok. So, ignoring the rhetoric, what proof is there to support this flag?

1) In your original post, there is this
 
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Scammer. Multi Account: kruglikov, mosprognoz, atenolol, gorbal. Wanted to create a scam coin, when we rejected, they sent bad feed back. here is what he/she wanted: You gonna do the fork and we will split the premine 10% 50/50. It is a wonderful possibility to make couple of million dollars in 1 week. I want to do something similar to litecoin cash, where the dudes dumped premine for 5 dollars within the first 3 days and milked 3 000 000 dollars out of that. That might look as a scam but WHO CARES. If you are interested open the telegram account and lets start making EASY MONEY.

This claim was originally made by Altcoinbuilder in a now locked thread here.
He provided no link, no screenshot, no context, nothing, and for some reason edited that post today.
Without corroboration this is no proof of anything, just an unsubstantiated claim.

2) User huup quotes this 2 year old post. I shall split it in two.


This guy has been trying to sell as fake bitcointalk accounts, however we have ignored him (see screens attached). Today, he tried to blackmail us and as all acquisitions are false and creators of them have disappeared years ago, we have banned this guy to avoid spam.

 


We have more info about this guy and we are going to give all information about this guy to Europol, our advisors are taking care of this. We will not let this guy run away after trying to blackmail us.


I fail to see how this relates to anything here, unless the point is that this Hudne account is under control of Mosprognoz (no proof offered) and the refusal to buy these accounts led to the alleged blackmail attempt?


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The proof that he is asking for money:




The first thing that struck me about this was the faked "lauda".
Ignoring that, where is there any proof that Mosprognoz is involved? Are you (or Vytautus) alleging that OP Alert Guy is an alt of his?
You also claim

Profile 1 (mosprognoz): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094569
Profile 2 (blurryeyed): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996
Profile 3 (gorbal): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1165766
Profile 4 (nutildah): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618

There are more... Look at all the profiles trust feedback. You can clearly see all those 4 accounts are run by the same person just to run FUD campaigns against products to get money!

my edits for legibility

These are the projects mosprognoz is trying to harm with his partners in crime:

Payeercoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173364.msg52108283#msg52108283

Deeponion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.msg51958593#msg51958593

bleuhill mining
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.msg51958707#msg51958707

Humanityone.io
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138153.msg51252141#msg51252141

minexpay.com / Minexcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg50876390#msg50876390

Yobit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4327871.msg50681950#msg50681950

coudbet
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.msg49822964#msg49822964

Yanubuks
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111575.msg49816655#msg49816655

Regalcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2093710.msg39373462#msg39373462

worldcore
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2236259.msg39204775#msg39204775

Simplex
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3765927.msg37116748#msg37116748

firelotto
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg32444599#msg32444599

Robert Matuk
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg32327917#msg32327917

lendconnect
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2519448.msg31328241#msg31328241

Monetha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1978067.msg30645158#msg30645158

BEAT
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2851951.msg29996372#msg29996372

Phoneum
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2635236.msg28691167#msg28691167

ETHconnect
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2301946.msg28428273#msg28428273

etc etc etc

Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!



Where is your proof of these other projects being blackmailed by Mosprognoz as you claim?


Unless I have missed something (please correct me if I have) then you have shown no credible proof to support your accusation
"MOSPROGNOZ FAKE scam accusations to make money from*projects"
* my edit for spelling

so my opposition to the flag stands.




Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence
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Unless I have missed something (please correct me if I have) then you have shown no credible proof to support your accusation
"MOSPROGNOZ FAKE scam accusations to make money from*projects"
* my edit for spelling

so my opposition to the flag stands.





Well sir I gave this proof to you and in this thread you can see many more proofs of bought accounts etc. if you go thru Mosprognoz his account it's scam scam scam scam. Noone with his right mind makes multiple scam post on topics per day for just the fun off it. If you can't make the logicall conclusion with the shown evidence out of it's fine by me, because you will never do it. But i want you to know you are supporting the fact that Bankera is a scam. So we have on the one hand a wellkown audited firm which operates for over two years now, and on the other hand this incognito person who is making false accusations day after day. and you also support this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627 "I am sure your mom was a whore. And she was fucking random dudes in front of you. And you liked it. Now your wife is doing the same and you like to watch that too... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093134#msg52093134 "your grandpa was a Nazi... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093568#msg52093568 "You are a worthless piece of shit... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093885#msg52093885 "Take photos up your scummy ass... etc"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094627#msg52094627 "Let me fuck the wife of yours for 0.0001 BTC.

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August 11, 2019, 09:29:40 PM
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Unless I have missed something (please correct me if I have) then you have shown no credible proof to support your accusation
"MOSPROGNOZ FAKE scam accusations to make money from*projects"
* my edit for spelling
so my opposition to the flag stands.

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Well sir I gave this proof to you

You quoted some unverified text from a third party. That's not proof.

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and in this thread you can see many more proofs of bought accounts etc.

Where?
And so what?

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if you go thru Mosprognoz his account it's scam scam scam scam. Noone with his right mind makes multiple scam post on topics per day for just the fun off it.

Mosprognoz may not be "in his right mind" but you haven't proved him to be a blackmailer, which is your claim.

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If you can't make the logicall conclusion with the shown evidence out of it's fine by me, because you will never do it.

My logical conclusion is that you don't have evidence to support your claim.

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But i want you to know you are supporting the fact that Bankera is a scam.

Bankera may or may not be a scam. You say it isn't, Mosprognoz says it is. Let people read what is written, research supporting evidence and make up their own minds.

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So we have on the one hand a wellkown audited firm which operates for over two years now, and on the other hand this incognito person who is making false accusations day after day. and you also support this:

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OMG somebody verbally abused somebody on the Interweb.


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