Let's vote for a new mod for India

[pawanjain]

You all have been talking about electing a person to act as a moderator for the Indian sub board and clean the board by reporting unwanted shit posts and spams.
While this is an efficient way of eliminating the shit posts, it would be wise if we could bring in traffic in the Indian board and have active discussions over quality posts.
If more people make quality posts then there won't be enough space for shit posts lying around. So apart from concentrating on reporting shit posts, we should also pay more attention on bringing in some quality discussions.

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[newIndia]

In case any of you is not aware, there is already a thread asking for a new moderator of India forum in Meta - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3125174.0.

[Docnaster]

In case any of you is not aware, there is already a thread asking for a new moderator of India forum in Meta - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3125174.0.

Saw that board a long time ago last year. I think the condition of your community has shifted a lot since then. Especially that banning crypto news all over your country. Given that circumstance I do not think anyone would be even willing to step up to the plate and offer their neck for a 10 year jail term.

[amishmanish]

Saw that board a long time ago last year. I think the condition of your community has shifted a lot since then. Especially that banning crypto news all over your country. Given that circumstance I do not think anyone would be even willing to step up to the plate and offer their neck for a 10 year jail term.

Doc, The legislation has not yet gone through..The highest court has ordered the central bank to explain "Why implement ban when you can regulate?".. The P2P exchanges are working alright and there is quite a lot of interest in bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies. So as of now there is no ban or threat of 10 year jail term..Though if a ban comes into effect, would they come to catch the "kingpin?".

Do you think that being a mod could be risky like that?

[pawanjain]

Saw that board a long time ago last year. I think the condition of your community has shifted a lot since then. Especially that banning crypto news all over your country. Given that circumstance I do not think anyone would be even willing to step up to the plate and offer their neck for a 10 year jail term.

Doc, The legislation has not yet gone through..The highest court has ordered the central bank to explain "Why implement ban when you can regulate?".. The P2P exchanges are working alright and there is quite a lot of interest in bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies. So as of now there is no ban or threat of 10 year jail term..Though if a ban comes into effect, would they come to catch the "kingpin?".

Do you think that being a mod could be risky like that?

LOL, it's hard for me to understand how can one possibly risk anything by just becoming a mod of a board. If I were given a chance I would gladly accept the position even if the term jail was 50 years for trading in crypto.
Because in my perspective, being a mod doesn't justify if you are trading crypto or not.

[eaLiTy]

Especially that banning crypto news all over your country. Given that circumstance I do not think anyone would be even willing to step up to the plate and offer their neck for a 10 year jail term.

First and foremost i am seeing many people claiming that they are not active in this sub forum because they do not want to expose their identity posting in Indian sub forum, but the real fact is that if anyone wants to know their IP address theymos must provide them and i trust theymos than anyone else in this forum and i am hundred percent certain that he will not provide any IP address unless there is a fraud case against a user. So there is no point in having a doubt like that.

PS: this response goes to amishmanish, pawanjain and the rest who pose those doubt against theymos.

[amishmanish]

Especially that banning crypto news all over your country. Given that circumstance I do not think anyone would be even willing to step up to the plate and offer their neck for a 10 year jail term.

First and foremost i am seeing many people claiming that they are not active in this sub forum because they do not want to expose their identity posting in Indian sub forum, but the real fact is that if anyone wants to know their IP address theymos must provide them and i trust theymos than anyone else in this forum and i am hundred percent certain that he will not provide any IP address unless there is a fraud case against a user. So there is no point in having a doubt like that.

PS: this response goes to amishmanish, pawanjain and the rest who pose those doubt against theymos.

I don't know where did you get this impression that we are posing doubt on theymos. LOL. Why bring the man in the discussion?

Knowing your IP address isn't the only way to ascertain identity out here. You should consider that it wasn't just the cypherpunks who joined this forum and not everyone was so diligent about privacy. Maybe you were. The "doubt" doesn't pertain to what you concluded man..Its about the amazing law-enforcement we have in our country. I am sure you've heard about the cases where the police personnel colluded to extort bitcoin from a Gujarati businessman.

Imagine if they were to ban bitcoin. There won't be any dearth of "genius investigators" who will jump to portray an anoymous forum as the den of money-launderes and criminals. (just to earn a few brownie points). Law enforcement in our country has a history of making people's lives difficult by making sensational announcements of success on highlighted issue. Remember how the UP Police botched up Ayushi Talwar investigation to declare "case solved"? This is not the USA where the cops chasing your car will ask "Sir, can i see some ID". There are no bodycams here. What they do is their own discretion and a lot depends on how connected or powerful you are as a person.

It may not be a real risk but this just goes on to show that its best to keep your identity seal-tight on the forum. You must be aware of the fact that Ross Ulbricht lost his identity here at the forum and I don't think he has seen the outside of a jail compound since then.

Do you know about the guys from "Darwin Labs" who were involved in providing software services to the GainBitcoin mastermind Amit Bhardwaj. Two of those guys are still in custody. Read about the travails of the guy escrow.ms on this forum who had to go through hell when Delhi Police rounded him up as he acted as an escrow on the forum.. All guilty by association..So frankly, its not about your or anyone else's trust on theymos. People should discuss and be aware of the potential risks that simply being "associated" can bring to you in a country like ours..Keep your records clean..Pay your taxes..Know what your are doing..That sort of stuff..

I do hope Theymos would someday see your post and acknowledge your declaration of loyalty../s LOL..

It'll be great though if he does. We'll have a better chance at getting someone to moderate the Indian sub. Although, there isn't much to moderate till the RBI comes clean on its stupid stance and we can have some real commerce going on here. It is all strangulated right now.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

First and foremost i am seeing many people claiming that they are not active in this sub forum because they do not want to expose their identity posting in Indian sub forum, but the real fact is that if anyone wants to know their IP address theymos must provide them and i trust theymos than anyone else in this forum and i am hundred percent certain that he will not provide any IP address unless there is a fraud case against a user. So there is no point in having a doubt like that.

PS: this response goes to amishmanish, pawanjain and the rest who pose those doubt against theymos.

That's true. Even though if a subpoena is issued by the Indian government to theymos (on very rare circumstances) for revealing the users location (who are not connected through TOR) theymos would be definitely against that and would be against the government doing that. This has been mentioned many a times by theymos himself that he would turn against the government if they are going to sue the citizens for using bitcoin or involved in bitcoin. I am well aware of the technicalities of keeping myself anonymous by connecting through TOR or though a VPN, but I don't need to hide away since the IP is visible to only theymos himself and none other than him can see that.

The foremost reason for most of them being inactive here is the un-controllable spam which was prevailing here all the days right from 2017.

[RapTarX]

I'm not much active here in local, don't know who is active either. I know legendstar more than anyone probably because he is active in some more boards like service, reputation etc. But his recent negative tag isn't good at all for being a moderator. Otherwise, I would certainly name his name.
On top of that, active reporters must be given more value, we don't know who had most reports in Indian boards. However, I vote for newindia because he already has created a petition thread in meta, he must be a genuine guy here who will care about the forum.

[legendster]

I'm not much active here in local, don't know who is active either. I know legendstar more than anyone probably because he is active in some more boards like service, reputation etc. But his recent negative tag isn't good at all for being a moderator. Otherwise, I would certainly name his name.
On top of that, active reporters must be given more value, we don't know who had most reports in Indian boards. However, I vote for newindia because he already has created a petition thread in meta, he must be a genuine guy here who will care about the forum.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.

My recent negative tag for JSRAW is nothing that I can control. It is his choice to bring up an old mundane resolved issue that occurred on this forum even before he joined this place. Whom he chooses to negatively review is his business. It does not and should not reflect what I do for this community. And it should hold zero effect on my reputation and so it does.

With that said, I have never considered myself to be a forum moderator here. I don't tolerate bullshit and would permaban so many people. haha so it's best if I was left out of that conversation.

And when it comes to reporting.

I think HHunter or Amish has the highest report count. I only have 94% accuracy (352 good, 25 bad, 63 269 unhandled) as of now.

[pawanjain]

I think HHunter or Amish has the highest report count. I only have 94% accuracy (352 good, 25 bad, 63 269 unhandled) as of now.

Not that I am voting myself for the mod position but just to say that I have started reporting a few posts lately too  
These are my stats.

I have reported 55 posts with 99% accuracy (52 good, 1 bad, 2 unhandled).
Long way to go I guess.

First and foremost i am seeing many people claiming that they are not active in this sub forum because they do not want to expose their identity posting in Indian sub forum, but the real fact is that if anyone wants to know their IP address theymos must provide them and i trust theymos than anyone else in this forum and i am hundred percent certain that he will not provide any IP address unless there is a fraud case against a user. So there is no point in having a doubt like that.

PS: this response goes to amishmanish, pawanjain and the rest who pose those doubt against theymos.

I don't quite remember when I posed a doubt against theymos. He is a genuine person and I admire him for his morales.
I never mentioned anything against him bud.

[eaLiTy]

I do hope Theymos would someday see your post and acknowledge your declaration of loyalty../s LOL..

Now you talk like Paparazzi media, taking words out of context   . I have seen a few responses in this forum about not visiting Indian sub forum because the government might ban bitcoin and the users will be targeted and such, if i find those response again i will quote here.
The context i said i trust Theymos is simply because i use this forum daily and if not for the trust no one would visit literally and the user i quoted was saying about jail term to be an active user or a Mod here, literally what it means is that even if the government targets anyone theymos will not reveal any IP details to anyone.

It'll be great though if he does. We'll have a better chance at getting someone to moderate the Indian sub.

If the admin and the global moderators think that there is a need for a dedicated moderator they will appoint some candidate, all of my reports are taken care of in this sub section for the past few years and with more than 2090 reports with 99% accuracy and hence this is not a priority for them and hence they are not responding i guess .  If i see spam here i will make sure it will be cleaned and all of my reports are dealt till this time . All we need is a merit source to merit good posters here to have a healthy community and good activity and i have seen some application and i support them.

Although, there isn't much to moderate till the RBI comes clean on its stupid stance and we can have some real commerce going on here. It is all strangulated right now.

What is stopping you from trading here even if RBI does not comes clean, as long as you find a trusted escrow and trust the other person you can carry on with the deal. The point i made about trusting theymos must be crystal clear to you now, even if the Indian government bans bitcoin and if i make a trade through this forum, theymos will not reveal any of our details which will harm our identity and privacy. Hope this make you understand the bigger picture i said earlier.  

I don't quite remember when I posed a doubt against theymos. He is a genuine person and I admire him for his morales.
I never mentioned anything against him bud.

I never said bud that you questioned his genuinity or morality. The quote you said for fun was the context. I know it was a funny one but when i wrote this i was on a party mood and had a few beers.  

"I would gladly accept the position even if the term jail was 50 years for trading in crypto.
Because in my perspective, being a mod doesn't justify if you are trading crypto or not."

@
amishmanish there is a point of legality and morality when it comes to anything in life, this forum (for most part but certainly i) will not support scammers and criminals like the names you mentioned and if there is any investigation against criminals then they will be weeded out, but if you are a genuine trader (investing and trading with your own hard earned money and not other peoples savings) and if any authority is trying to make your life hell because of technicality then there will be full support from everyone.

[Sujoris]

All we need is a merit source to merit good posters here to have a healthy community and good activity and i have seen some application and i support them.

well I am not a merit source but I merited you for this looooong reply. But yes I agree with you. Not comepletely. But as far as theymos is concerned.. I have observed his actions for the past 2 years, that is since I joined. I never tried to interact with him but he seems like an anonymity oriented guy. He will not just wake up one day and decide to sell out to the government. These early adopters are anonymity-freaks.

[chronicsky]

Not active enough in Indian Sub-forum to vote for a moderator.

Regardless, it's not upto us. I just would like to add that we can certainly use a moderator here. and many of you would do a great job at it.

So hope Theymos hears about it. I will do my bit and drop a PM to him as well.


PS- it's not a paying job if some people mistake it to be. You will need to follow up a lot and be active here.

Good Luck

[JSRAW]

@eaLiTy : About merit source

Recently I came across one thread and conversation there clearly suggest that we already have one merit source for Indian board. I don't want to reveal poster's name because it seems to me that s/he doesn't want to come out in the open as an MS, or maybe there are some other reasons.

Guess we all should stop saying that the Indian board needs at least one MS. 

[amishmanish]

@amishmanish there is a point of legality and morality when it comes to anything in life, this forum (for most part but certainly i) will not support scammers and criminals like the names you mentioned and if there is any investigation against criminals then they will be weeded out, but if you are a genuine trader (investing and trading with your own hard earned money and not other peoples savings) and if any authority is trying to make your life hell because of technicality then there will be full support from everyone.

I quoted those incidents in a very India specific context @eality. The guy @escrow.ms had not scammed anyone on the forum here as far as you could tell from the opinion other members had about him. If you go through his case, he was simply screwed by the concerned local police. These things don;t even gain enough traction in our country when there is Taimur smiling or a rape-victim's relatives getting killed while a case is ongoing against a powerful MLA. So relying on "full support from everyone" is hardly the wise thing to do.

I do not worry about the country-ban resulting in me personally getting indicted if i use BTC to trade, yet I can understand if people would be concerned about the anonymity, fearing the typical high-handed approach that law-enforcers are allowed in our country.

I am not alarmist about the prospect of dealing in bitcoin. The case at SC has had some good progress. I will gladly carry on trade with BTC or be associated with it without any fear for my identity. Yet, if you are a very well known, old person on BTC forum, there is nothing stopping "law-enforcers" or "random strangers" making assumptions about the net-worth that can be coerced out of you. There have been physical attacks and that is why, if you intend to do any trades, best to put the cypherpunk ideals to practice.

PS: I agree that i took a swipe on you because your statement about Theymos seemed ill-placed. You quoted me as saying:

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PS: this response goes to amishmanish, pawanjain and the rest who pose those doubt against theymos.

Never did i say that i fear for my identity as the owner of the forum may compromise it. I have followed theymos here and have read his posts at reddit etc. for a long time and am well aware of his commitment to privacy. My doubt was on the extents to which our own law-enforcement can go, not on Theymos. The case of law-enforcement officials using their findings to earn bitcoin for themselves are well known. You could read about the dirty cops who manipulated Ross Ulbricht..
So yeah, lets put it aside and be friends again..LOL..

[pawanjain]

~snip

PS: I agree that i took a swipe on you because your statement about Theymos seemed ill-placed.

Be easy on him bro.  As he said, he was in a party mood and had a few beers on 

when i wrote this i was on a party mood and had a few beers. 

LOL, I can't even read posts on bitcointalk while I am high. Tried it twice.

[legendster]

~snip

PS: I agree that i took a swipe on you because your statement about Theymos seemed ill-placed.

Be easy on him bro.  As he said, he was in a party mood and had a few beers on 

when i wrote this i was on a party mood and had a few beers. 

LOL, I can't even read posts on bitcointalk while I am high. Tried it twice.

There's a simple solution to that. Stop drinking 

After all, we're Indians, we have a history of not being able to handle our drinks.


But lest we divert from this topic, let's not bring this up again. The fact remains that we still need at least a merit source - if not a mod for this community.

[amishmanish]

@eaLiTy : About merit source

Recently I came across one thread and conversation there clearly suggest that we already have one merit source for Indian board. I don't want to reveal poster's name because it seems to me that s/he doesn't want to come out in the open as an MS, or maybe there are some other reasons.

Guess we all should stop saying that the Indian board needs at least one MS. 

Yeah we only have ONE lonely little Merit Source. We surely need another with preferably a bigger bag than the bare minimum.

[legendster]

Yeah we only have ONE lonely little Merit Source. We surely need another with preferably a bigger bag than the bare minimum.

I couldn't care less about what that guy thinks or wants people to do.

As for Merit source, I wasn't aware there is one and if your "little" is any hint then I think he's not from India but I could be thinking of someone else than who is actually refered to here.

Regardless, I guess we can also assume we need something for people to talk about here, without that, there won't be anyone to send merits to and it'll soon become a circle jerking club..

If the merit source made their name public, we could conduct a merit campaign, something like which was/is done for other local communities here.

Despite earning so much merit, I barely have anything left to send as I have only 3 right now.. sometimes I feel like just ditching everyhing else and dedicate all my time to go ahead and do more for this community, like I used to do, perhaps apply as a MS as well, but the recent events involving members from my own country discourages me to do anything like that.

So all I can do is perhaps share an idea with people like yourself (amish), eality, hiesenberg, etc and hope you guys can find the energy and motivation in yourself to act upon those ideas.