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August 27, 2019, 12:00:35 AM
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Hello,

im actually searching for the very first version of the white paper published by Satoshi Nakamoto in 2008, on Cryptography Mailing List.

The actual one, available everywhere is edited (from 2009) and give a weird Chinese code when open with a txt editor.
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August 27, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
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Hello,

im actually searching for the very first version of the white paper published by Satoshi Nakamoto in 2008, on Cryptography Mailing List.

The actual one, available everywhere is edited (from 2009) and give a weird Chinese code when open with a txt editor.

Chinese code? I don't think you should be opening PDFs with text editors...

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August 27, 2019, 01:18:03 AM
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Go here: https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/ download a translated pdf of the white paper and try to open it with notepad.
After that, do the same with english version and you will found a very different code, only in Chinese (no english or Japanese).
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August 27, 2019, 08:16:28 AM
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According to bitcoin.org, the original whitepaper is the English one. You can check it here:

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper

There are many translated versions, this Chinese one will work.

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August 27, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
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According to bitcoin.org, the original whitepaper is the English one. You can check it here:

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper

There are many translated versions, this Chinese one will work.

I know the english one is the first. What im asking for is the original, created in 2008, version of the white paper. All the version i found online are from 2009 (what's written in the metadata).

Translated version aren't inportant. I talk about them because of the way the files are actually encoded. If im not clear, try to open the English version with notepad and you will understand.
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August 27, 2019, 02:05:13 PM
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I know the english one is the first. What im asking for is the original, created in 2008, version of the white paper. All the version i found online are from 2009 (what's written in the metadata).
This forum was not the first place where Satoshi posted but this site ---> P2P Foundation page.
you can find it here ----> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source.
Posted by Satoshi Nakamoto on February 11, 2009 at 22:27

Almost this is the first version, but the ones on Bitcoin.org's website are supported by the community.

In terms of translation, translation of terms deducts many meanings.

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August 27, 2019, 03:26:25 PM
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An older version from the newsletter exist : https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html as you can see, one version was available in october 31, 2008. Maybe there is another one, older, from the time only Hal Finney and another guy was interested in satoshi's work.

If im not clear enough, translation are just here for the example. I don't need them, and what is written inside too. Im interested by the STRUCTURE of the file. I want to know if the white paper 2009 version is bugged or if it's hidding something.

To be sure eveybody understand me, i will post a picture: actual BTC White Paper / random PDF (and 99% of other pdf look like that).
https://i.ibb.co/sW2127C/bug.jpg

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August 27, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
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Not sure if this can help. Take a look at What satoshi wrote?. Within the thread, @Heisenberg_Hunter references a draft called ecash.pdf which I managed to find at the time:

<...>If you can find a link to the file please post here or send a PM!<...>
Found this: https://draftable.com/compare/rCuIgdwzImUI

The URL seams clean, and it compares the draft to the released version, showing the differences quite clearly. It may be wise to verify that the compared versions are solid though - there is no date/timestamp.

Edit: This site seems to point to the same differences between draft and released version: https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto#

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August 27, 2019, 06:36:34 PM
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When @DdmrDdmr was able to provide us with a link to the ecash.pdf file (which was thought to be lost) I was able to download it and have a secure copy of that in my HDD. We can never be quite sure the ecash.pdf which was a monumental piece in the crypto history would always be present in the internet. Many thought the paper was lost somewhere in the PC's of early adopters. It is quite interesting to note that Bitcoin was never named so, it was initially called ecash / Electronic Cash.

You can see that in the older ecash paper, satoshi in 6. Incentive said that if the current hardware (CPU at 2008) was replaced by some superior faster hardware and if the block generation speed rises over time it would further rise the difficulty exponentially. These lines were moved on-to 4. Proof of Work in the newer bitcoin paper. Aside, I am quite sure you won't be finding a paper older than ecash and its interesting to note that they are the foundation for today's multi-billion dollar crypto industry.

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August 27, 2019, 07:02:12 PM
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@DdmrDdmr : thx for your answer. One cool guy on twitter sent me a copy of this ecash.pdf. Unfortunatly, this document isn't the exact copy of the original mailed to Hal Finney. I can read in the metadata the file was created in 2017 (probably a copy/past).  Undecided

@Heisenberg_Hunter : Yes, that's funny to think only 2 guys (Hal was one of them) was giving Satochi's project credits at the time. And that's ALWAYS the same with all the success stories: Apple, etc.
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@DdmrDdmr : thx for your answer. One cool guy on twitter sent me a copy of this ecash.pdf. Unfortunatly, this document isn't the exact copy of the original mailed to Hal Finney. I can read in the metadata the file was created in 2017 (probably a copy/past).  Undecided

This ecash.pdf file is amazing, I didn't know it.

Sadly I can confirm that it was made in 2017, just like you said. So it is not the original, and we have no proof that it was a copy past or some modifications were made.

I will try to search more about it. Very interesting.

Suggestion: move this topic to development and technical discussion. It is where you will find more knowledge members who can contribute better to this discussion, which is quite relevant.

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Last edit: August 28, 2019, 06:55:28 PM by Belisarius
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From a historical point of view, the "ecash.pdf" file is older than the "bitcoin.pdf".

Actually, we can't be sure of the text inside. Because this is not an original.

BUT!!! I have a good new. I found a october 3, 2008 version! The one i was searching for! (but an original ecash.pdf can be older)

Im just waiting for a YES from my source and i will share it with you.

After a quick study, i can tell u there is small but existing differences in the text, between 2008 and 2009 documents.

And in the structure, 2008 pdf was created on a UNIX system, and the 2009, on a Mac. Interesting!


Edit: HERE is the rare 2008 version : https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/20081003-nakamoto-bitcoindraft.pdf
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September 04, 2019, 05:25:45 PM
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You really found something interesting.

I am going to ask you again to move this to a less spammy board, as there is something clearly wrong here.

For now, we have 3 whitepapers:

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (newer file, from 2009)
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/20081003-nakamoto-bitcoindraft.pdf (2008 original Whitepaper)
https://draftable.com/compare/rCuIgdwzImUI (presumed edited ecash whitepaper from 2017)

2 main questions remains:
-Where is the original Ecash file from 2008?
-What is written in Chinese when we open the 2009 Whitepaper from bitcoin.org in Notepad?

I tried to translate it using google translator, but it seems that it doens't make sense, as Google refuses to translate it.

This is just a small sentence that I put on google translator:
(倥䙄ㄭ㐮┊꓃볃뛃鿃㈊〠漠橢㰊⼼敌杮桴㌠〠删䘯汩整⽲汆瑡䑥捥摯㹥ਾ瑳敲浡砊궜䭜⒋ᆹ쾾ꢯꆳ⧚┩䉥큓叕慭߀鯣ڽట诞뻿씥剛댚嶐ꖛ⡇询檷㞖ﭷ럏��⥽錟ﳺ㾷꿶时羷筼ﳾ싦᛺楮��뿏ﻝ쏸峝......)

This is what google translates:
Ignorant 䙄 ㄭ 㐮 ┊꓃ 볃뛃 鿃㈊〠 desert oval 㰊 Center Weighted enemy Fei rafter ㌠〠 delete 䘯 confused the whole ⽲ boil 䑥 Wan Shi Zhi 㹥 ਾ Cuoqiaobokang 궜 䭜 ⒋ ᆹ쾾 ꢯꆳ⧚┩ 䉥 큓 Li  wrongful ߀ Yi ڽ ట when birth 뻿씥 just  댚 Long ꖛ⡇ inquiry 檷 㞖 ڃ 럏 ⥽ tan غي 㾷  꿶  Lian Chu Tradesmen شي 싦 ᛺ 뿏 ل 쏸 Tong


Something is wrong with that file, and it really looks like something may be hidden inside it.

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September 06, 2019, 10:19:36 PM
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I did a request to move this topic, but no answer.

For the ecash original file, we know Hal got it, and one or two other guys. I don't remember their name at the moment.

For the chinese text, look like an old one. The kind of text written a thousand year ago, or more. And i think Google can't translate old Chinese correctly.

Chineses, are and was great traders... Maybe there is something linked with that.

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You really found something interesting.

I am going to ask you again to move this to a less spammy board, as there is something clearly wrong here.

For now, we have 3 whitepapers:

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (newer file, from 2009)
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/20081003-nakamoto-bitcoindraft.pdf (2008 original Whitepaper)
https://draftable.com/compare/rCuIgdwzImUI (presumed edited ecash whitepaper from 2017)

2 main questions remains:
-Where is the original Ecash file from 2008?
-What is written in Chinese when we open the 2009 Whitepaper from bitcoin.org in Notepad?

I tried to translate it using google translator, but it seems that it doens't make sense, as Google refuses to translate it.

This is just a small sentence that I put on google translator:
(倥䙄ㄭ㐮┊꓃볃뛃鿃㈊〠漠橢㰊⼼敌杮桴㌠〠删䘯汩整⽲汆瑡䑥捥摯㹥ਾ瑳敲浡砊궜䭜⒋ᆹ쾾ꢯꆳ⧚┩䉥큓叕慭߀鯣ڽట诞뻿씥剛댚嶐ꖛ⡇询檷㞖ﭷ럏��⥽錟ﳺ㾷꿶时羷筼ﳾ싦᛺楮��뿏ﻝ쏸峝......)

This is what google translates:
Ignorant 䙄 ㄭ 㐮 ┊꓃ 볃뛃 鿃㈊〠 desert oval 㰊 Center Weighted enemy Fei rafter ㌠〠 delete 䘯 confused the whole ⽲ boil 䑥 Wan Shi Zhi 㹥 ਾ Cuoqiaobokang 궜 䭜 ⒋ ᆹ쾾 ꢯꆳ⧚┩ 䉥 큓 Li  wrongful ߀ Yi ڽ ట when birth 뻿씥 just  댚 Long ꖛ⡇ inquiry 檷 㞖 ڃ 럏 ⥽ tan غي 㾷  꿶  Lian Chu Tradesmen شي 싦 ᛺ 뿏 ل 쏸 Tong


Something is wrong with that file, and it really looks like something may be hidden inside it.

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