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August 29, 2019, 02:51:39 AM
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Finally that's official, I don't think he can still cause some FUD or FOMO in the space, I hope people will not anymore get fooled by this man.
No Satoshi, he isn't the real one and we will never know the real satoshi, everyone who claims they are satoshi are fake, including this one of course which is now declared as an official liar.

I wonder what will happen with BSV.

I think the opposite of this https://cryptoslate.com/bitcoin-sv-pumps-after-fake-craig-wright-satoshi-news-tricks-chinese-investors/


Believe it or not there's still many people bagholding their BSV. Similarly to Craig Wright's problems, BSV backholders (and pretty much any shitcoin bagholder, specially forks) have too much of an ego to admit defeat. Those are exactly the people that go down with the ship. They had many opportunities to jump and get saved by dumping in exchange of Bitcoin while they had the opportunity to do so, but no, they thought they were going to defeat Bitcoin, they thought they were the real Bitcoin, they thought they were "the next big thing" and so on.

Once 2020 is here and absolutely nothing happens, they will look for excuses and keep kicking the can waiting for "the flippening".

You can't save CSW as much as you can't save shitcoin bagholders, they share the same insolvable problems.


A lot of people HODL BCH and BSV from their old BTC Addresses in the USA in that it is NOT clear yet how the IRS will tax this stuff falling from the sky! So it is better to just

let these sh*tcoin's ride, rather than move them out to something else and expose yourself to unknow tax problems or other issues. My CPA says you can't get burnt if you

just leave it the hell alone.

Anyway, what I'm doing and so others have said. Kinda a big Meh! It fell on a person's BTC Blockchain roof..if it stays and adds value somehow, well meh! If it slides off the

blockchain roof without any value someday, well meh! Most of us have missed so many boats since 2013 on either buy or sell or whatever at this point in time or that particular

coin launch (like ETH) that we are like the Pregnant Waitress waving at the fleet from the dock as they sail off to war, hoping someone waves back!

So again, meh!

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August 29, 2019, 03:05:32 AM
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We all expected the same judgement since last few years when Dave's brother filed the lawsuit in Florida. However, the court did not mention any amount, rather passed the judgement on percentage saying 50% of the bitcoins mined prior to 2014 will be awarded to Kleiman Estate. I am sure Craig is now planning his next step on how he can minimize the amount that needs to be given out.

While we all assumed that Craig is an impostor and now when he will have to shell out a fortune, it's BSV which he needs to sell in order to satisfy the terms and conditions of the judgement. If you happen to hold any BSV, sell it off right now because it is going to bleed big time!

Craig Wright sold most of his BSV after he triggered the pump by filing the patent application. If you remember, first he crashed the prices (perhaps in collusion with the exchanges and Blockchain.com) by getting the coin delisted from many of the exchanges. Once he could accumulate a good volume of BSV, he pumped the prices through the patent application. He sold most of his coins when the exchange rates were around 0.025-0.029 BTC and as a result the prices went back to the previous levels (BTC0.013 per coin).

But first, we need to see whether the judge will ask for immediate implementation of his order. There is a very good chance that Craig Wright would consider appealing against the ruling in the higher courts. So I don't see any immediate danger for Wright. Also, we need to remember that Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen currently residing in England. Rulings in the US may have limited impact on him. The ruling was issued by Judge Bruce E. Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge of United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. First, Reinhart's order needs to be adopted by the United States District Judge Beth Francine Bloom. As far as I know, this process hasn't been completed yet.

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August 29, 2019, 03:37:49 AM
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Finally that's official, I don't think he can still cause some FUD or FOMO in the space, I hope people will not anymore get fooled by this man.
No Satoshi, he isn't the real one and we will never know the real satoshi, everyone who claims they are satoshi are fake, including this one of course which is now declared as an official liar.

I wonder what will happen with BSV.

I think the opposite of this https://cryptoslate.com/bitcoin-sv-pumps-after-fake-craig-wright-satoshi-news-tricks-chinese-investors/


Believe it or not there's still many people bagholding their BSV. Similarly to Craig Wright's problems, BSV backholders (and pretty much any shitcoin bagholder, specially forks) have too much of an ego to admit defeat. Those are exactly the people that go down with the ship. They had many opportunities to jump and get saved by dumping in exchange of Bitcoin while they had the opportunity to do so, but no, they thought they were going to defeat Bitcoin, they thought they were the real Bitcoin, they thought they were "the next big thing" and so on.

Once 2020 is here and absolutely nothing happens, they will look for excuses and keep kicking the can waiting for "the flippening".

You can't save CSW as much as you can't save shitcoin bagholders, they share the same insolvable problems.


A lot of people HODL BCH and BSV from their old BTC Addresses in the USA in that it is NOT clear yet how the IRS will tax this stuff falling from the sky! So it is better to just

let these sh*tcoin's ride, rather than move them out to something else and expose yourself to unknow tax problems or other issues. My CPA says you can't get burnt if you

just leave it the hell alone.

Anyway, what I'm doing and so others have said. Kinda a big Meh! It fell on a person's BTC Blockchain roof..if it stays and adds value somehow, well meh! If it slides off the

blockchain roof without any value someday, well meh! Most of us have missed so many boats since 2013 on either buy or sell or whatever at this point in time or that particular

coin launch (like ETH) that we are like the Pregnant Waitress waving at the fleet from the dock as they sail off to war, hoping someone waves back!

So again, meh!

Brad


For US Citizens.
If you decide to sell those coins for fiat at some date,
all you do is declare the entire fiat amount received that year as income.
Then it is taxed at your normal income rate.
No worries.  Smiley
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-youre-in-under-the-new-tax-law.html


FYI:
If those coins were held in a bitcoin address outside of the US,
And you sell them outside the US, you only have to report the amount over $105,900 to the IRS for 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion
  

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August 29, 2019, 04:39:51 AM
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Isn't it rather, that the judge confirmed CSW as Satoshi Nakamoto, because CSW has to pay half of Satoshi's Bitcoins?


Was it declared that he was Satoshi?

From some comments on Twitter, Craig Wright lost because he was abusive of the judicial process, proven not credible, and a liar who commited perjury. But the BitcoinCashSV hodlers will tell you, "Satoshi is brilliant for proving to the world that he is not Satoshi, protecting his identity, but he is Satoshi because look". Roll Eyes


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August 29, 2019, 07:20:31 AM
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Isn't it rather, that the judge confirmed CSW as Satoshi Nakamoto, because CSW has to pay half of Satoshi's Bitcoins?


Was it declared that he was Satoshi?

From some comments on Twitter, Craig Wright lost because he was abusive of the judicial process, proven not credible, and a liar who commited perjury. But the BitcoinCashSV hodlers will tell you, "Satoshi is brilliant for proving to the world that he is not Satoshi, protecting his identity, but he is Satoshi because look". Roll Eyes


what i have read on news sites the judge actually explicitly have declared that the court was not to even decide whether he is Satoshi or not, the court was not even supposed to estimate how much bitcoin he may or may not own.
this last part is actually part of my confusion specially since the court's decision was to order him to give "half" of what he owned but at the same time they don't specify how much is the total to give half of it!

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/28/australian-who-says-he-invented-bitcoin-ordered-to-hand-over-up-to-5bn
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“During his testimony, Dr. Wright’s demeanor did not impress me as someone who was telling the truth. When it was favorable to him, Dr. Wright appeared to have an excellent memory and a scrupulous attention to detail. Otherwise, Dr. Wright was belligerent and evasive,” Reinhart said.

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what i have read on news sites the judge actually explicitly have declared that the court was not to even decide whether he is Satoshi or not, the court was not even supposed to estimate how much bitcoin he may or may not own.
this last part is actually part of my confusion specially since the court's decision was to order him to give "half" of what he owned but at the same time they don't specify how much is the total to give half of it!


That's exactly how faketoshi could be sent to jail potentially by refusing to tell the court how much he owns.
He could say that he is unable to tell but it is the court to decide the credibility of his words.
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August 29, 2019, 08:03:50 AM
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Well played. Now that he's exposed, I wonder what he's going to do next. I'm sure that BSV will really take a big hit this time because of his lies and it will hard to redeem itself again. I wonder when will he drop the "I am Satoshi" case. If he still lies about that instead of trying to redeem himself, the grave that he's digging right now is just going to get deeper.

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Last edit: August 29, 2019, 09:45:10 AM by AGD
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Isn't it rather, that the judge confirmed CSW as Satoshi Nakamoto, because CSW has to pay half of Satoshi's Bitcoins?


Was it declared that he was Satoshi?

From some comments on Twitter, Craig Wright lost because he was abusive of the judicial process, proven not credible, and a liar who commited perjury. But the BitcoinCashSV hodlers will tell you, "Satoshi is brilliant for proving to the world that he is not Satoshi, protecting his identity, but he is Satoshi because look". Roll Eyes


The judge explicitly said, that the court doesn't decide, wether CSW is SN or not, but as they assume CSW has access to SN's Bitcoins, it indicates, that they believe Ira Kleimans story about the Bitcoin partnership CSW/DK, which most likely also never took place.
They also assume, that all the lies and forgeries, that CSW committed, was because he doesn't want to share his 1 Mio Bitcoins.

I believe, that the following happened:

The first time one of the actors appeared, was Dave Kleiman. I am not sure who it was, but somebody pointed out, that DK could be Satoshi Nakamoto. Later internet press took this story and added Craig Wright, who had some real life connections with DK.
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

Looks like Craig found out that his buddy Dave is one of the Satoshi Nakamoto candidates and that Satoshi might have a huge Bitcoin stack.
I read somewhere, that after Dave's death, CSW was trying to get access to Dave's computer to get the Bitcoins and he forged documents, that linked Dave Kleiman and himself in a business, which never existed. He used a handwrite font to forge DK's signature (DK had a completely different signature btw, which shows CSW's level of impudence).


Some of the sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-bitcoin-exclusive-idUSKBN0TS0AB20151209#bzeAL54QJoAhRJ8p.97
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/12/09/2147378/so-satoshi-is-an-aussie/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1459687.0
https://www.cointop.net/so-called-satoshi-accused-of-pgp-forgery-in-kleiman-vs-wright-suit/
https://bico.media/05fbeb3973805c902601b5c1ef2831d27eb5c45c40b8032a53d428b68cdfd53d.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.187.0.pdf
https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/bdypn6/this_is_old_but_gold_gwern_branwen_coauthors_an/elj6xn9/?context=1
https://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.msg51052990#msg51052990



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DaveKleiman– Dave brings more than 22 years of security focused information technology experience.  He has analyzed more than 100 cases including cases involving enterprise technologies such as Windows Server, Microsoft Exchange, Microsoft SQL, Microsoft SharePoint, and Microsoft Dynamics GP.  Dave has testified at many trials and depositions in civil and criminal matters, rendering expert opinions regarding computer‐related data and operations in Federal, State, and Military courts as a computer forensics expert and has served as a court appointed neutral expert.  His testimony and analysis has included information technology, cellular phone analysis, email analysis, internet analysis, developing and evaluating electronic discovery plans, evidence spoliation, intellectual property, trademark and patent infringement, insurance claims, fraud, business reorganization, and breach of contract.  Dave has an extensive list of computer security and forensic certifications, he is one of less than 100 Microsoft Enterprise Security MVPs in the world, and he developed a Windows Enterprise operating system lockdown tool.  Dave has made appearances on national news television as a subject matter expert in computer forensics.  He has been published in more than ten books including The Official CHFI Exam Study Guide for Computer Hacking Forensics Investigators, and has created many tools, tricks, and tips for time saving forensic techniques and has them published across the Internet as well presents them in labs at many national security and cybercrime conferenc


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Today, Andresen fully believes that Wright is Nakamoto. Now he'll have to convince the rest of the world, because he's among the only people to have seen what he claims is the best evidence in Wright's favor.

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Editor's note, 4/30/2019: In the days following publication of this story, WIRED published an update that identified inconsistencies in the evidence supporting the notion that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. Wright later came forward to claim that he was indeed the creator of Bitcoin, but offered some evidence that appeared to be fraudulent. This piece has been updated to clarify Wright's claims, and the headline has been changed to make clear that WIRED no longer believes Wright is likely to be the creator of Bitcoin.

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August 29, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
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Which works against Craig Wright. He's sanctioned for lying/abuse, and he's not Satoshi. Hahaha.

About his identity, it must go back to Craig Wright signing a message using the Satoshi keys. Plus because he was not credible, Craig being Satoshi or not, was not the issue anymore. He lied and falsified documents, why? Not Satoshi in my opinion.



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This is not new and we all know this from the beginning. And i talk about Craig Wright. The court today official announce that he is a fraud and call him to pay the half of this bitcoin that supposed to hold with Kleiman. That means 500k bitcoin and that means that craig wright fell to his own lies.
Of course this bitcoin never exist from the first place.
We all know his tactics and he is winning in a way by making everyone in the community talking about him, we had several threads in this forum just to mention his name and we are giving importance to his claims indirectly, we need to stop that publicity which he is craving and if that happens he will die off into obscurity and that is what we need rather than mentioning him all the time, it is my opinion and everyone has their rights to their opinion  Wink.




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How come BSV has stood up fine? Weird.
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Finally that's official, I don't think he can still cause some FUD or FOMO in the space, I hope people will not anymore get fooled by this man.
No Satoshi, he isn't the real one and we will never know the real satoshi, everyone who claims they are satoshi are fake, including this one of course which is now declared as an official liar.

I wonder what will happen with BSV.

I think the opposite of this https://cryptoslate.com/bitcoin-sv-pumps-after-fake-craig-wright-satoshi-news-tricks-chinese-investors/


Believe it or not there's still many people bagholding their BSV. Similarly to Craig Wright's problems, BSV backholders (and pretty much any shitcoin bagholder, specially forks) have too much of an ego to admit defeat. Those are exactly the people that go down with the ship. They had many opportunities to jump and get saved by dumping in exchange of Bitcoin while they had the opportunity to do so, but no, they thought they were going to defeat Bitcoin, they thought they were the real Bitcoin, they thought they were "the next big thing" and so on.

Once 2020 is here and absolutely nothing happens, they will look for excuses and keep kicking the can waiting for "the flippening".

You can't save CSW as much as you can't save shitcoin bagholders, they share the same insolvable problems.


A lot of people HODL BCH and BSV from their old BTC Addresses in the USA in that it is NOT clear yet how the IRS will tax this stuff falling from the sky! So it is better to just

let these sh*tcoin's ride, rather than move them out to something else and expose yourself to unknow tax problems or other issues. My CPA says you can't get burnt if you

just leave it the hell alone.

Anyway, what I'm doing and so others have said. Kinda a big Meh! It fell on a person's BTC Blockchain roof..if it stays and adds value somehow, well meh! If it slides off the

blockchain roof without any value someday, well meh! Most of us have missed so many boats since 2013 on either buy or sell or whatever at this point in time or that particular

coin launch (like ETH) that we are like the Pregnant Waitress waving at the fleet from the dock as they sail off to war, hoping someone waves back!

So again, meh!

Brad


For US Citizens.
If you decide to sell those coins for fiat at some date,
all you do is declare the entire fiat amount received that year as income.
Then it is taxed at your normal income rate.
No worries.  Smiley
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-youre-in-under-the-new-tax-law.html


FYI:
If those coins were held in a bitcoin address outside of the US,
And you sell them outside the US, you only have to report the amount over $105,900 to the IRS for 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion
  

Will do so if I have to, according to CPA, if the price dumps to Tulip Prices, etc. But the IRS question this year is the FORKS of all coins on the blockchain.

There is a chance, that the IRS (hating BTC and crypto and all) will count all that as income, AT THE TIME IT LANDS ON YOUR BLOCKCHAIN. Not big odds,

but if you wanted as the U.S. Government or IRS to put a crimp in Crypto Adoption that is how you would do so.

Also, likely, even though my CPA in 2013 and beyond said the IRS would NEVER do so. In the time before there were NO tools to use CSV etc to see profits

on mining and such and you had to figure stuff out by hand. It seems likely that the IRS will say you need to use 'modern tools' to the time/minute on all the

crypto you mined and exchanges and bought and sold, using such modern tools for all transactions back to 2009. KYC and Money Laundering don't ya know.

Most of us, use the figure DAILY average from say www.coinmarketcap.com on a piece of paper.

Well, that is likely out the window and all tax forms by

I would have to be amended back to 2013! Assuming they want modern blockchain tools to use 'retro-actively' in their tax review this year. Again, using

modern tax links for CSV etc down to the last day/time/minute due to crypto volatility as their excuse.

For whatever reason, the usual IRS guidelines for only looking back 3 years for a not thinking their was a crime

and 7 years if they suspect something, has been tossed. At least from the compliance letters sent so far.

So no, most of us are just gonna leave the forks alone and when the IRS says I owe money on such forked coin, I will say, what the hell are you talking about

and I have no idea what people are doing dropping stuff on my blockchain and have MAYBE an out..if things get as stupid as I suspect.

Again, I'm likely paranoid, but in 2013 my banker called the SEC on me to be investigated because I bought a KNC Jupiter BTC miner via wire transfer and

all Bitcoin was 'drug money'. Was a fun 2 weeks with everyone looking at me like a 'desperado' when I went to use the bank. Thus got the CPA, the SEC guy

was like 'what am I doing here' on the voice phone. Was all cleared up. But the banker DID try to hang me out to dry on saying I had no taxes done, and I

slapped my 2013 (amended for crypto) tax forms down in his face. Needless to say, I've changed banks.

But, IMHO, we could have some really stupid rules come out 'hopefully only initially till found unworkable' from the IRS. So no, just leaving the stuff ride.

Before forks fell out of the sky they were worthless, maybe they will be worthless again, just not gonna poke the bear or the IRS by claiming such this year

to the IRS, not worth the hassle, again IMHO. In fact, this year is a clear year for me. No crypto sold. No Crypto mined. Some equip for income sold, but that is

it. One year of less drama with CPA lady is probably due after 6 years of crypto CPA manipulation.

Anyway, my view on forked coins sitting about on my BTC and/or other Crypto blockchains, that fell from the sky.

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This is so good to see such outcome in this case but from another side, when I start to think about it, then I start to be really worry because the amounts of BTC are overwhelming and we can not forget that Kleiman's family would have to pay 40% in taxes from the received amount, which can be the reason for BTC price dump if they will have to sell Bitcoins to pay these taxes.

Don't mention about all these taxes which CW will have to pay either when he will try to sell his Bitcoins. These could be for sure the highest taxes in Bitcoin history so far.
I am really afraid that at the end of January 2020 the BTC sell of will start which will crash the price for a very long time.

What do you think about this? Is this another threat? Or CW doesn't have this BTC in the first place and there is no Tulip fund which releases this coins 21 January 2020?

 
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The first time one of the actors appeared, was Dave Kleiman. I am not sure who it was, but somebody pointed out, that DK could be Satoshi Nakamoto. Later internet press took this story and added Craig Wright, who had some real life connections with DK.
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

nope
craig made a txt file of public keys and got dave to notarize them as authentic (no private key verification by the way) and this formed the tulip trust.

the tulip trust was then used to attempt to scam the australian government out of tax stuff. which is where craig fled to the UK.
craig also scammed some shareholders out of investments by liquidating his company by blaming the australian tax office for not paying out.

craig wright was in legal troubles from 2013. doxxd himself to media in 2015 hoping the community would come to his aid(obviously didnt) and then he went on a deeper flip flop mission in 2016.

it was not a DK 'introducing' CSW. but a CSW announcing DK involvement as part of the SN scam, outing DK as a partner to try to add substance to the lies because at the time CSW didnt seem smart enough to have figured out what bitcoin was really about so needed to name a computer forensics specialist to up his own rep as a partner.

DK did not 'introduce' CSW. nor did GA

heres some tips. bch and bsc are not btc. so if csw was satoshi. then csw could easily 'spend' the early mined coins of the blockchain of bch and bsv as those public/private keys are the same for the chains but are not part of the shoddy trust 'holdings' known as tulip


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August 30, 2019, 01:12:42 AM
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How come BSV has stood up fine? Weird.

I was also wondering about it. Actually BSV is the only coin among the top-10 to gain against BTC during the last 24 hours. It went up by 1.2%, when I expected at least a 50% crash. One possible explanation is that CSW may not be having much BSV left in his wallets. He may have sold most of it when the prices hit the peak when he triggered the pump (on May 30th, 2019).

Another possible explanation is that the BSV supporters might have interpreted the ruling as the judge agreeing to Craig's claim that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. I checked social media channels (especially Twitter) and there is a lot of propaganda going on in favor of CSW right now. Love him or hate him, but he has been successful in raising a large community of slaves loyal to him, who are ready to prop up BSV.

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Ciphertrace proved that long ago by explaining the non-movement of funds and how easily he could have proven just signing with his private key
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The first time one of the actors appeared, was Dave Kleiman. I am not sure who it was, but somebody pointed out, that DK could be Satoshi Nakamoto. Later internet press took this story and added Craig Wright, who had some real life connections with DK.
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

nope
craig made a txt file of public keys and got dave to notarize them as authentic (no private key verification by the way) and this formed the tulip trust.

the tulip trust was then used to attempt to scam the australian government out of tax stuff. which is where craig fled to the UK.
craig also scammed some shareholders out of investments by liquidating his company by blaming the australian tax office for not paying out.

craig wright was in legal troubles from 2013. doxxd himself to media in 2015 hoping the community would come to his aid(obviously didnt) and then he went on a deeper flip flop mission in 2016.

it was not a DK 'introducing' CSW. but a CSW announcing DK involvement as part of the SN scam, outing DK as a partner to try to add substance to the lies because at the time CSW didnt seem smart enough to have figured out what bitcoin was really about so needed to name a computer forensics specialist to up his own rep as a partner.

DK did not 'introduce' CSW. nor did GA

heres some tips. bch and bsc are not btc. so if csw was satoshi. then csw could easily 'spend' the early mined coins of the blockchain of bch and bsv as those public/private keys are the same for the chains but are not part of the shoddy trust 'holdings' known as tulip



I didn't say, that CSW was introduced by DK, but that a rumour about DK being SN came out BEFORE I heard of CSW. This was after DK's death.
I also assume, that this Tulip Trust never existed and that all documents regarding a partnership with Kleiman are forged (incl the one with the addresses, that are obv. not Satashi Nakamoto's)

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August 30, 2019, 04:51:27 AM
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I'm pretty sure everyone already knew this lol  Grin
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August 30, 2019, 06:31:24 AM
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How come BSV has stood up fine? Weird.

I was also wondering about it. Actually BSV is the only coin among the top-10 to gain against BTC during the last 24 hours. It went up by 1.2%, when I expected at least a 50% crash. One possible explanation is that CSW may not be having much BSV left in his wallets. He may have sold most of it when the prices hit the peak when he triggered the pump (on May 30th, 2019).

Another possible explanation is that the BSV supporters might have interpreted the ruling as the judge agreeing to Craig's claim that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. I checked social media channels (especially Twitter) and there is a lot of propaganda going on in favor of CSW right now. Love him or hate him, but he has been successful in raising a large community of slaves loyal to him, who are ready to prop up BSV.

BSV's REAL volume is around 1m USD per day. The CMC volume is highly misleading. BSV is 500-1000x smaller than BTC. I know of a guy who just bought "a modest sum" and he told publicly how that was able to swing the price by already 5,-. BSV is highly inflated. I know of Orderbooks that have 1/4 of a page in buy orders for BSV and 10+ pages of sell orders. BSV is really really small and there are very few buyers actually.
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September 01, 2019, 10:20:55 AM
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BSV's REAL volume is around 1m USD per day. The CMC volume is highly misleading. BSV is 500-1000x smaller than BTC. I know of a guy who just bought "a modest sum" and he told publicly how that was able to swing the price by already 5,-. BSV is highly inflated. I know of Orderbooks that have 1/4 of a page in buy orders for BSV and 10+ pages of sell orders. BSV is really really small and there are very few buyers actually.
It will only take investors that are completely blind to see this, I have known this a long time, which is why I have never really paid attention that much to bsv, and Craig also know that they were using fake volume, so what he is been doing is to do everything possible to divert traffic to the project with all his propaganda about bitcoin, and all his lies about being satoshi, thinking he could use that as an avenue to gain massive increase on bsv, but unfortunately, every of his plan keep backfiring.

How they are able to sill retain the top in the market is what I don’t know and sometimes it make some doubt coinmarket data, because this is the same way the ripple also operates and has been retaining that position for a long time now without seeing people using it.


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