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User humanrightsfoundation recently start this self-moderated thread in Project Development: Donate Bitcoin to Human Rights Foundation

I made the following post at the bottom of the thread, which was promptly deleted by him:
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I'm sorry, but this all looks highly suspicious.

The website of the real Human Rights Foundation (the one you will have heard of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Foundation) is here https://hrf.org/.
They also accept bitcoin donations here: https://hrf.org/donate-bitcoin/

An extensive search can find nothing to support your claim that you provide secure tools or communication channels - your website simply recommends that users should use Tails and Tor, both of which are provided open source and for free. I can find nothing to suggest that your company has done anything at all outside of setting up this very generic website. Similarly, an extensive search can find nothing that your founder has contributed outside of links back to your questionable website.

Can you explain why you decided to use the name of a widely known human rights organization? Can you provide evidence of any of your claims? Can you show how previous bitcoin donations to that address were spent?

He also deleted another post by bitmover asking for proof that the donation address wasn't just his own address.

Archived thread with aforementioned posts visible: https://archive.is/4qEKm

The combination of stealing the name of a well known organization, making grandiose claims with no evidence, refusing to answer simple questions, and deleting any post which questions him, makes it almost certain that this is a scam attempt.

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August 27, 2019, 10:06:46 AM
Last edit: August 27, 2019, 11:05:28 AM by CryptopreneurBrainboss
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Definitely a scammer and also a previous user of the forum, the person behind the account knows for the scheme to be successful he/she needs to make his thread self moderated to delete any post questioning their credibility. Seen some negative feedback from DT members on the account, that's great. Hope you don't mind creating a type 1 flag to make the accusations more visible. This is definitely an imposter, with scam intentions. It's just too obvious.

Edit: supported flag. Will only withdraw my support if user can proof their credibility without any doubt.

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August 27, 2019, 10:47:00 AM
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Hope you don't mind creating a type 1 flag to make the accusations more visible.
I was waiting to give the user a chance to respond to this thread, or answer the questions I outlined above, if he so wished. Instead he deleted all the other comments questioning him from his own thread and left frivolous retaliatory red trust to myself, bitmover and Vod.

Flag has been created here for anyone who wishes to support it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=666

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August 27, 2019, 10:57:59 AM
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What is interesting is that given Bitcoin address is active
so BTC movement can be tracked to see where it goes.
https://btc-explorer.com/address/18fyEQXaZQgCbNoE5Qjs6W7Pnqc9Yp4PQD

So far
received 5.37276269 BTC
      sent 5.37241998 BTC
 balance 0.00034271 BTC

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Flag supported.

This was my deleted post
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Blockchain. Tagged addresses.

This is no proof of anything. Anyone can request your address to be tagged in blockchain.com explorer. And it is tagged only there. In any other block explorer you willhaveno tag.


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What Are Address Tags?

Address tags enable you to label your public bitcoin address with a short name and external link. Anytime the address is shown on blockchain.info the name and link will be shown.

To tag your address with any name you want, you just need to sign a message proving that you own the private key.
I think you are trying to fool us, as you know this tag means nothing. Maybe your account should be tagged here as well .

The only way to prove that this address belongs to human rights foundation is pasting it in heir website.

Edit: I see this is a self moderate topic. Leaving a feedback in your account just be sur (as you can delete my post), as this really looks like a scam
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The feedback option is used for abusive SPAM because we have deleted some comments from our self moderated topic. All 3 person immediately started orchestrating scam, scam but in reality we are a legitimate Swiss human rights organization. We are not open for retarded people's opinions. Do some research.

It doesn't matter if your organization is based on Switzerland or whatever. You have to prove that the donations are not for you, but for the human rights foundation. And you failed to do so, and deleted the posts that proved you wrong. Scammer

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Innocent users, when falsely accused, tend to answer the questions they have been asked. They don't delete those questions and lock their thread. They don't leave retaliatory ratings and support fake flags on the people asking them questions. They don't throw insults at everyone. Your actions are not the actions of an innocent user. I would have expected someone so interested in human rights to at least be able to discuss things in a civil manner.

The feedback option is used for abusive SPAM
A single post asking you some question is not abusive spam by any stretch.

All 3 person immediately started orchestrating scam
You can still see my post archived here: https://archive.is/4qEKm#80%. At no point did I use the word "scam". I asked some questions which would be easy to answer for a legitimate organization. You responded by deleting those questions.

It is inappropriate and it is just not true.
Then please answer the questions I posed to you earlier:
Can you explain why you decided to use the name of a widely known human rights organization?
Can you provide evidence of any of your claims?
Can you show how previous bitcoin donations to that address were spent?


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August 27, 2019, 11:36:35 AM
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Flag supported. A person with genuine intent would have answered the questions calmly and professionally and not just having to delete them.
Looking at the profane language used by "humanrightsfoundation" both here and the retaliatory feedback. I have no doubts that the person behind the "donation" scheme has a malicious intent.

 
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August 27, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
Last edit: August 27, 2019, 12:01:44 PM by o_e_l_e_o
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Can you explain why you decided to use the name of a widely known human rights organization?
You mean the widely criticized neo-Nazi fascist organization which hides behind human rights?
We have absolutely nothing to do with any United States based organization.
So why did you use the name of a much larger and better known organization? You must appreciate that to an outside user it appears as though you are trying to imitate them and perhaps fool people in to thinking you are in some way affiliated.

Can you provide evidence of any of your claims?

What claim? Be more specific.
These claims:
uses Bitcoin to promote, protect, uphold human rights worldwide
educate the public about basic human rights
provide secure tools and communication channels to report human rights violations safely and anonymously
We have been supported by the same anonymous individuals who donated Bitcoin to WikiLeaks, Internet Archive, Snowden Defense Fund, Free Software Foundation, Tails Project and Netzpolitik.

Can you show how previous bitcoin donations to that address were spent?

If the Swiss government can not ask this, what makes you think you can?
The Swiss government is not asking for my bitcoin.

The donations are used for running servers (private tor bridges, hidden services, clearnet servers), paying for the domain names (some of which is premium high priced domains) and paying the cost of other nodes we use for experiments such as decentralization of our websites.
As far as I can tell, your website doesn't actually mention a single human rights violation or provide any information on human rights whatsoever. Have these donations actually done anything at all for advancing human rights, or have they all just been spent on hosting your meager website?

The Tor page which you link to on your website is down, and apparently has been for months.

Your website also says you are "Publishing and distributing uncensorable reports, articles and media about human rights violations". Can you provide links to some of these reports please?

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August 27, 2019, 11:51:09 AM
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Attitude shown here by founder of 'human rights foundation' is very arrogant.

Maybe he is having genuine intentions or not, but with this he is falling deeper in the 'quicksand' of Bitcointalk forum.

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August 27, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
Last edit: August 27, 2019, 01:05:31 PM by bitmover
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Innocent users, when falsely accused, tend to answer the questions they have been asked. They don't delete those questions and lock their thread.

You comment is only deleted because it is linked to hrf.org which copied our donation page, created a derivative work, published the infringing material and scamming people since March of 2019 to make them believe they donating Bitcoin to us!

So now explain to me why was my comment deleted.
You said the proof that you are not a scammer is that you have a blockchain.com tag. I proved you wrong, because that's no proof of anything. Wrong and a lier. And you deleted my post.

You can still answer me now and provide some proof that this address belongs to that organization and not to you only.

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August 27, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
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The website saying that "Publishing and distributing uncensorable reports, articles and media about human rights violations" because that is exactly what we intend to do! Again we don't have millions of dollars every year because as is noted previously we do not publish U.S. propaganda.

You want to see human right violations? Support us by donating Bitcoin and if you wish you can also write article or report and we happy to publish it if its contains evidence about those human rights abuses.

I read through your website and I'm wondering, what have you accomplished in 5 years of operation? I would have asked this question in your own thread but you seem to have locked it.

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August 27, 2019, 01:10:10 PM
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You can still answer me now and provide some proof that this address belongs to that organization and not to you only.
Still didn't answer

We deleted your comment because we have the right to do so.
We have the right to tag suspicious users also. And deleting posts without reasons is suspicious

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We explained above that we use donations for development. You can keep raging about scam but that help absolutely nothing. We will continue to exist for a very long time and intelligent Bitcoin users will donate to us and contacting us for information in a proper and respectful way.

Thank you for your attention.
We hope that our flag will let those intelligent users read your posts and ours before deciding to donate to you or not.

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We are not using anymore BitcoinTalk because there is no protection against false flags. All this users do is bully legitimate people who work on valuable and unique projects.
Bye... good luck scamming elsewhere.
A scammer a way each day keeps Bitcointalk clean and a much better forum compared to any other crypto forum around. You scammers are very toxic and always ruin everything you come across.

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No, we don't publish human rights violations until we don't receive any.
So in over 5 years and with over 5 BTC in donations, you've not received a single communication, nor have you published a single "report, article or media", nor have you "provided secure tools and communication channels", nor have you "educated the public". You haven't "promoted, protected, or upheld" human rights, because you haven't actually done anything.

How are potential whistle-blowers going to feel comfortable trusting reporting human rights abuses to you and trusting you with information and correspondence which may very well put their lives at risk, when you can't even be trusted to openly and honestly answer basic questions about your "organization"?

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Last edit: August 28, 2019, 01:51:03 PM by mprep
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No, we don't publish human rights violations until we don't receive any.
So in over 5 years and with over 5 BTC in donations, you've not received a single communication, nor have you published a single "report, article or media", nor have you "provided secure tools and communication channels", nor have you "educated the public". You haven't "promoted, protected, or upheld" human rights, because you haven't actually done anything.

How are potential whistle-blowers going to feel comfortable trusting reporting human rights abuses to you and trusting you with information and correspondence which may very well put their lives at risk, when you can't even be trusted to openly and honestly answer basic questions about your "organization"?

I think you got your answer  Cheesy

They probably keep getting bypassed by complainants in favor of the real Human Rights Foundation. Probably should have come up with a more original name.

Kind of reminds me of this:





(talking about anything other than what they have actually accomplished as far as "human rights" are concerned.)

So what have you actually accomplished in your 5 years thus far? Your website has nothing except for a picture of your founder and then of course your section on how to donate. You list no plan of action, no ideas of how you plan to improve human rights, nothing tangible that would suggest you are going to improve anybody's lives anywhere. I gotta tell you, even if you were trying to do this via charity ICO, you would be ridiculed into the ground.

Perhaps its best if you seek donations elsewhere.

This is only a step up from when those Criptonians accounts kept begging for 50 BTC to magically boost bitcoin's acceptance and price. (all their accounts were banned and all their messages deleted)



Your HRF.org is not even existed when I did registered the domain name!

It was registered in 2001. The actual Human Rights Foundation has been in existence since 2005. They've been accepting bitcoin donations since 2013, a year before you started your copycat venture.

SO WHO IS THE SCAMMER? WE OR THESE FASCISTS IN THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING?

All signs point to you.

You can't even provide evidence of a single solitary thing that you've accomplished.

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Google is censoring our sites and nobody find it. DuckDuckGo.com and other search engines, even the Russian Yandex.ru or any other Chinese search engine ranking our sites correctly. Again, you expect us to be some superhero without helping us. You are free to help! However, all you do is bully us. Help or forget that we ever talked. Donate and help us build the infrastructure or as I said forget us altogether. We will do without your support in a year or so.

I am using Qwant search engine and all I can find is your numerous subdomains for many countries....

I also don't see you on any social media platforms (including blockchain based)

And where is this Human Rights Academy located?

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They've been accepting bitcoin donations since 2013, a year before you started your copycat venture.

LIE! The Bitcoin address they listing on the derivative work which is a copyright infringement because entirely based on my work, received the first transaction in March 2019 when they published the infringing material solely to scam people to believe they donating to us! March 2019 was the date when they published the page you mentioning, see https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hrf.org/donate-bitcoin

There is zero evidence of this on their archived website. There are zero similarities between their bitcoin donation page and yours.

Dude. They've been around since 2005. You've been around since 2014. You clearly took the same of an organization that had already been in existence for 9 years! Its your fault if you get shitty web ranking results and have a hard time with SEO -- you are using the name of a well-known organization.

For several years they used the URLs humanrightsfoundation.com, humanrightsfoundation.org and thehrf.org. Whenever they moved to the "hrf.org" domain is irrelevant.

Regardless, you've apparently accomplished absolutely nothing in 5 years.

There is no sane reason why anyone would donate money to you.

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August 27, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
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Whether or not hrf.org are fascists, CIA agents, copyright thieves, or any of the other claims you are making, is irrelevant to whether or not you are trustworthy.

The bottom line is you have ran your "organization" for over 5 years, and have taken in over 5 BTC in donations, yet haven't achieved anything at all. You haven't fulfilled a single one of the claims you made on your original post or on your website.

The site you linked to above - https://universaldeclarationofhumanrights.info/ - simply hosts a document written by the UN (without any attribution, I may add).

that's what they are motherfucker fascist shits
So go to your Venezuelan scammer and fuck him hard in the ass
Yes, you definitely sound like someone who would respect and fight for the rights of all people. Roll Eyes

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Charity scams using Bitcoin as means of monetary value transfer on the rise - very bullish for Bitcoin. This fake organization may not be the last of its kind here in Bitcointalk. More to come.


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August 27, 2019, 04:25:44 PM
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Look up, he does know the injustice happening. Smiley

What is interesting is that given Bitcoin address is active
so BTC movement can be tracked to see where it goes.
https://btc-explorer.com/address/18fyEQXaZQgCbNoE5Qjs6W7Pnqc9Yp4PQD

So far
received 5.37276269 BTC
      sent 5.37241998 BTC
 balance 0.00034271 BTC

I think the coins he got was prior to this scam he stunts today. But what scams did he do before this human rights foundation donation?

If he received 5btc just by concocting he is from human rights foundation, it really would mean the people here are just naive lol Scammers just think they can get money with just that kind of trick must have been dreaming.

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