Bitmain to release S17E 64TH

[philipma1957]

You can not exceed the price given

so in the case of the s17e on sale right now:

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C   due to ship dec 11-20

the reference price of 2544 is the most you can pay

if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

Ie if it is   only 2000 on dec 1  you get a 544 coupon

compare this to the m20s  https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m20-series/

2510  jan 1 - jan 15

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[mikeywith]

if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

You have to also keep in mind that the real value of the coupon is never 100%, depending on the overall market conditions at the time of issuing the coupon ( gear price, bitcoin price, difficulty, buyers liquidity etc..) those coupons could be worth as low as 10% of their face value.

in other words, let's say you pay 1529$ for the T17e Dec batch, and then price drops to 1029$ , you get a 500$ coupon, so it may seem like you have paid only 1029$ but in reality if you want to sell that coupon, you may only get an offer of say 100$ because that is what the coupon market price is (hypothetically) , so in reality you paid 1429$ and not 1029$ because if you were to buy the coupon for 100$ the miner would cost you 1029$+100$ = 1129$ which means you paid 300$ more for the same gear.

While there is no guarantee about the coupon actual values by then, but sure thing it's never 100%, throughout bitmain coupon history the value goes from 10% to 40% , it only goes pass 40% in very rare scenarios, in fact in many cases nobody wants those coupons, I have personally had more than 200 coupons expired in my account, i know people who had a much larger number of expired coupons, simply because at some point of time nobody wants to pay a dime for the coupon, in fact they wouldn't want them for free neither.

[philipma1957]

Depends on your building goals.  I have a lot of  power left to fill.  But if you don't have much room to expand  this deal  is not so good.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.

[Biffa]

I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.

Might be too late

Anyone notice, there are T17E and T17-38 are live for 1st Dec if you are interested.

Looks like limit of 2 per customer per batch

[MoparMiningLLC]

maybe but if the prices drop AND I can snag a coupon, then it will be even a better deal (that being said, I am sitting here with 2 T17's in my cart right now....)

[philipma1957]

I am waiting until I get the coupons from my s9k's  2 s9k's 310 - 253 =57 bucks     so I should get 57 + 57 = 114  If I don't get that  I don't buy.

So Far I do not see that.

[mikeywith]

They mentioned that coupons will issued before 18th sep, but nothing showed up yet, maybe they mean 2020? Anyhow keep in mind that you won't get to use two coupons for one miner, so you won't get a114$ coupon, it may make more sense to buy a 500$ coupon than using your own coupons if you plan on buying T17,S17,T17e or S17e.

Anyhow the coupons should show up soon, i will keep you guys updated with their prices.

[abeandund]

All good points, but how good is deal if btc goes to 12k, 14k or higher before December?  Kinda seems like Bitmain wants us to buy their product now.

[philipma1957]

This is flat out an attack on the whatsminer m20s

now  does bitmain know something we don't know?

I have zero idea.

if coins go up  this deal  is still better if you are using bank transfer or coin purchased to buy this gear.

I am still waiting for a coupon on my s9k gear.

[Sundance_]

Hi guys,

So I could not think where else to put this but reading about the S17e and T17e on a Chinese website:

It is reported that the standard calculation power of S17e is 64TH/S, the energy efficiency ratio is 45J/T, the standard calculation power of T17e is 53TH/S, and the energy efficiency ratio is 55J/T. With high computing power, low power consumption, strong stability and high cost performance, the S17e and T17e are on the market. According to official website data, the ant mining machine S17e is only 1 minute from the time of sale to sale.

*Sorry for translation by google, and if there is better translated info but it's just a quick question..

I used to get the impression, and I think I have read, that the T9 model was like the more reliable version of the S9 model. It's cheaper, and lesser in every way but somehow I got the impression, and maybe I did not read but somewhere along the way made up, that the T model is the more reliable miner. Reliable in the sense, and only this sense, that it does not break as much and is longer-lasting if not necessarily more hardy.

Reading this section in Chinese it just strikes me, as someone who may not understand the process particularly well, that the T model is just a weaker version of the S model as a result of something on the assembly line. I'm suggesting that the T model is basically just as reliable but it is in some way a model made from the less desirable cuts from wafers. Could there be in any thing resembling the truth in this or am I completely off the mark? I've not paid attention to mining for two months and I've forgotten a lot it seems.

Long story short: What is the fundamental difference between the T and S series?

[MoparMiningLLC]

I think you pretty much got the difference - it will be slightly slower but will have a lower efficiency as well. That said, all my 15's and 17's are T versions. For me, the small difference in efficiency does not make up for the price difference when the prices are 50% higher for the S versions.

My goal is to increase my hash rate but to also make ROI as quickly as I can. The extra efficiency do not always make for a faster ROI when the price is higher beyond a certain point. AT least that is how I justify whether I buy the T version or the S version.

[philipma1957]

Back in the day T-9 adverts said it does not break and is reliable.

t-15
t-17 don't say that.

I have

1 t-17
1 t-15
1 s-15
1 s-17 pro

In a world of magic  where everything is according to phil  I would only have s-17 pro's  100 of them  would fill the power we have

200 would fill us  if we max the power to 400kwatts

my s 17 pros does 36 watts on low speed  nothing touches that  better yet  1440 watts I use a y spilt power cord made for 14 amps  and it is an amazing unit.

But thr price of it is a big factor.

which is why my next order is 2 t17e's  for 3300  vs 2 s17e's for 5100+

[MoparMiningLLC]

ahh - I need to look into that Y splitter - I could run 20 of the 17's vs 10 of them, as I am running power wires from two outlets. I installed a switch that shuts both on/off at the same time and they are the same circuit so if the breaker blows there is no issue with powering one and not the other  but the splitter would allow me to run quite a few more.

[PopoJeff]

Just be careful with your calculations.  Although you can double the units with the Y splitter, you'll also double the amps pulled on the electrical circuit.  And depending on wire gauge of that circuit, could be an issue.
In my case, I'm maxed on circuit amperage for the circuits I have run.  To expand my operation would require running a few more circuits, which will require a lot more breaker box work.

[Philipma1957cellphone]

S17  53th pro pull 2250. So two do 4500 which is easy peasy for a 30 amp circuit.  Easy way is circuit to a pair of l6 30r  then a l6 30p to c19 cable then a c20 to y c13  it does a pair of t17 or s17   but I would not try a s17e with a s17 pro as that would be 5500 watts.

[MoparMiningLLC]

my circuits are 30 amps currently with 4 outlets on each circuit so 4 might be too much maybe 2 17's and 2 s9's

[PopoJeff]

Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.

without pulling the paperwork to verify and going off of memory, I would have to say the wire is 10 gauge

[PopoJeff]

Iirc, 10ga is good for up to 30A, and they recommend only running a steady load of 80% of max capable amps...  so you'd be good for 24A steady load on that entire circuit.