Mjesečna Analiza za Hrvatsku Lokalnu Zajednicu (Bitcointalk Croatian)

[dkbit98]

Hvala Rikafip za još jednu dobru analizu.
Dominacija novog kralja ovcijisir, i dobro sam popravili lokalnu aktivnost

Koliko sam se samo piraterije i hardvera nakupovao i razmijenio po forumima, nekak više vjeruješ liku sa 100 postova nego random Njuškalo profilu.

A ni porez za to nisi platio?
Vidim imaš novu slika avatara, samo nam treba još povratak Gobe  

Forum.hr je i dalje ziv te je i dalje nas najveci forum, ali je samo sjena onog od prije petnaestak godina kad je bio na svom vrhuncu. Unistila ga je debilna moderacija, tamo je lakse popiti karton/ban nego ovdje dobiti merit. Ja sam tamo bio jako aktivan od samih pocetaka sve do prije par godina (zahvaljujuci forum.hr sam i cuo za bitcoin nekad 2013) a sad ostavim mozda par postova tjedno.

Mogu potvrditi ovo o moderatorima, ego, power trip ili nešto treće, ne znam.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

A ni porez za to nisi platio?

Sve što valja sam kasnije kupio i sad si kao zabrijavam da sam vratio nešto love developerima i producerima 

Vidim imaš novu slika avatara

Ma ne želim više biti asociran sa Roolijem, i dalje mi se ne da joinat nikakve kampanje, pa reko idemo na stock.

[ovcijisir]

Hvala Rikafip za još jednu dobru analizu.
Dominacija novog kralja ovcijisir, i dobro sam popravili lokalnu aktivnost

Ne znam koliko cu moci pratiti tempo Pocela nova godina i sa njome presing na poslu, a time cu moci posvetiti manje vremena forumu. Kako je krenulo biti cu sretan ako budem mogao drzati minimum od 20ak postova na signature kampanjama.

Koliko sam se samo piraterije i hardvera nakupovao i razmijenio po forumima, nekak više vjeruješ liku sa 100 postova nego random Njuškalo profilu.

A ni porez za to nisi platio?
Vidim imaš novu slika avatara, samo nam treba još povratak Gobe  

Forum.hr je i dalje ziv te je i dalje nas najveci forum, ali je samo sjena onog od prije petnaestak godina kad je bio na svom vrhuncu. Unistila ga je debilna moderacija, tamo je lakse popiti karton/ban nego ovdje dobiti merit. Ja sam tamo bio jako aktivan od samih pocetaka sve do prije par godina (zahvaljujuci forum.hr sam i cuo za bitcoin nekad 2013) a sad ostavim mozda par postova tjedno.

Mogu potvrditi ovo o moderatorima, ego, power trip ili nešto treće, ne znam.

Ma joj i ovdje ima ega i power tripova, dovoljno je samo pogledati metu i sve one banove zbog plagiranja. Pa pola locala je bilo banano u jednom trenutku. Ako pogledate stare threadove ima dosta ekipe koja je zadnji puta videna 2018, 2019, kada je bio val banova. Kad se sjetim kako su Regulusa zezali zbog jednog posta muka mi dode. Zato i dan danas imam averziju od pisanja na Meti.

[cryptofrka]

Ma joj i ovdje ima ega i power tripova

Jep, nisam mogao vjerovat to na početku. Ne krećem se uopće tamo al da je gadljivo - je.
Drito ono - daj čovjeku malo moći pa će ti pokazati tko je.

Ovaj forum je zapravo užasno netransparentan i neadekvatno vođen - iako priznajem da ne znam je li ovako svugdje. Ne bi se čudio da je - al ovdje su pare dodatna komponenta koja sigurno ne pomaže.

Krenimo čisto od toga da forum ima hrpetinu love bez da se zna čija je, kako se koristi, što se dogodi s njom ako theymos nestane itd itd

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Ovaj forum je zapravo užasno netransparentan i neadekvatno vođen - iako priznajem da ne znam je li ovako svugdje. Ne bi se čudio da je - al ovdje su pare dodatna komponenta koja sigurno ne pomaže.

A vecina foruma je takva, iskreno ni ne vidim neki znacajno bolji model da ovo funkcionise. Sto se tice love ovde, jedan od retkih foruma koji sam po sebi nudi mogucnost da korisnici zarade nesto odatle, samo ucestvovanjem/pisanjem. E sad i to je donelo dodatnu dramu u meta i reputation, jer uvek neko smatra da mu je uskraceno pravo da zaradi novac.

Sto se tice forumske love, necu biti iznenadjen ako zavrse kao lova iz CM kampanje.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Krenimo čisto od toga da forum ima hrpetinu love bez da se zna čija je, kako se koristi, što se dogodi s njom ako theymos nestane itd itd

Sumnjam da su milijuni u igri, ovaj forum je dosta vanilla i skoro pa sve je for free, a cucla pun kufer hostinga. Jedna mid-range operacija sa CDN-om (kojeg bitcointalk ima) je oko 10k mjesečno samo na hosting, a sumnjam da ovih stotinjak ljudi koji uzmu copper membership guraju biznis naprijed, al možda sam u krivu, slobodno me ispravi.

Jedini entity koji je to uspio monetizirati kak treba je blackhatworld.com koji naplacuje za svaki falus, warrior forum je pokušao sličan biznis model ugurati, ali nije išlo, barem ne tada kada sam bio aktivan po forumima, imao sam pauzu od jedno pet-šest godina. 

[ovcijisir]

Krenimo čisto od toga da forum ima hrpetinu love bez da se zna čija je, kako se koristi, što se dogodi s njom ako theymos nestane itd itd

Sumnjam da su milijuni u igri, ovaj forum je dosta vanilla i skoro pa sve je for free, a cucla pun kufer hostinga. Jedna mid-range operacija sa CDN-om (kojeg bitcointalk ima) je oko 10k mjesečno samo na hosting, a sumnjam da ovih stotinjak ljudi koji uzmu copper membership guraju biznis naprijed, al možda sam u krivu, slobodno me ispravi.

Iznenadio bi se, ako se ne varam forum u posjedu ima preko 1000 BTC, sto bi sa danasnjom cijenama bilo oko 100mil usd.
Sada otkuda tolika lova, pretpostavljam od donatora jos u doba kada se za status donatora davalo 50 BTC (to u ono vrijeme nije bilo puno). Takoder na vrhu stranice je bio prostor za oglas koji je isao na aukciju svako malo (svakih nekoliko tjedana ako se ne varam) i to je ukinuto jer lova forumu nije potrebna sa trenutnim rezervama.

Ma joj i ovdje ima ega i power tripova

Krenimo čisto od toga da forum ima hrpetinu love bez da se zna čija je, kako se koristi, što se dogodi s njom ako theymos nestane itd itd

Jel se sjeca jos tko coinbistroa, novog softvera koji je jedna ekipa pocela pisati iz nule samo za ovaj forum. To se godinama razvija, cak je i prije par godina bilo beta testiranje, nakon toga nista. Cak sam prije par mjeseci i pitao u vezi toga u jednom threadu i dobio dosta mutan odgovor.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Iznenadio bi se, ako se ne varam forum u posjedu ima preko 1000 BTC, sto bi sa danasnjom cijenama bilo oko 100mil usd.
Sada otkuda tolika lova, pretpostavljam od donatora jos u doba kada se za status donatora davalo 50 BTC (to u ono vrijeme nije bilo puno). Takoder na vrhu stranice je bio prostor za oglas koji je isao na aukciju svako malo (svakih nekoliko tjedana ako se ne varam) i to je ukinuto jer lova forumu nije potrebna sa trenutnim rezervama.

Aha, war chest je u igri, nisam znao za njega. Mislio sam da se frka odnosio na zaradu od trenutnog oglašavanja. Zanimljivo..

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Krenimo čisto od toga da forum ima hrpetinu love bez da se zna čija je, kako se koristi, što se dogodi s njom ako theymos nestane itd itd

Sumnjam da su milijuni u igri, ovaj forum je dosta vanilla i skoro pa sve je for free, a cucla pun kufer hostinga. Jedna mid-range operacija sa CDN-om (kojeg bitcointalk ima) je oko 10k mjesečno samo na hosting, a sumnjam da ovih stotinjak ljudi koji uzmu copper membership guraju biznis naprijed, al možda sam u krivu, slobodno me ispravi.

Pre neki dan sam naleteo na kviz* koji je pokrenuo icopress o poznavanju bitcointalk foruma. Tu sam saznao da su rezerve foruma nesto preko 900 BTC, pa ne bih rekao da je bezazleno. Jos davno se prestalo sa prodajom reklama na forumu (bilo ispod prvog posta), jer je bilo previse zamorno adminima da proveravaju legalnost servisa koji su licitirali mesto. Obrazlozenje, nije bilo urgentne potrebe za tim, jer forum ima dovoljno zalihe.
A i tu su bile ponude od nekoliko hiljada dolara mesecno za svaki od nekoliko slotova.

* [Quiz 2025] History of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk 🚩

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Tu sam saznao da su rezerve foruma nesto preko 900 BTC

Stari moj...

[cryptofrka]

Da, jer su 2 walleta.
Sjećam se jer je bila neka luda drama kad je lik koji je bio custodian dobio BCH airdrop i nije se smatrao dužnim to dat nazad.

To je vjerojatno BTC rezerva, stvarno ne znam što je još s BCH-om - je li prodan, maznut il i dalje stoji negdje sa strane.

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Tu sam saznao da su rezerve foruma nesto preko 900 BTC

Stari moj...

Auh...
Ne zameri, bilo je bas dosta alkoholnih trenutaka oko proteklih praznika, povremeno sam funkcionisao tek na par kilobajta 

[icopress]

Da, jer su 2 walleta.
Sjećam se jer je bila neka luda drama kad je lik koji je bio custodian dobio BCH airdrop i nije se smatrao dužnim to dat nazad.

To je vjerojatno BTC rezerva, stvarno ne znam što je još s BCH-om - je li prodan, maznut il i dalje stoji negdje sa strane.

I can’t remember where it is, but I know for sure that the signed message is somewhere in the public domain (it contains the full text of the agreement).

Besides BCH there are several others.

[...]

Code:

OgNasty 500 0.5 2014-11-22 1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF

First: I've been wondering about this for a while now, and although I don't want to point fingers, I do like transparency so here it goes: What happened to the "dividend" from airdrops based on Bitcoin holdings?

http://transition.obyte.org/ shows that treasurer address 1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF joined the Byteball airdrop with 500.00051 BTC (0.0771% share):

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF
HMdUJW2FnsyZVJAoXhuLuYvt2Zqgdpt5o9xGCqIQqnMVOIyrzkY2ICiwGbAfeCXOiS6SDj/UvRRr+CvIo+zTQJQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Verified!

https://explorer.obyte.org/#OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX shows the GBYTE (now called OBYTE) received on address OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX: on 09.07.2017 13:58:44, approximately 36.174 GBYTE was received. Out of this, 0.0625*500 = 31.25 GBYTE was thanks to forum funds. At the time, this was worth approximately 7 BTC.

There were later airdrops too, and Stellar Lumens could have produced a similar amount based on Bitcoin holdings, but I don't think that data is publicly available.

[icopress]

I can’t remember where it is, but I know for sure that the signed message is somewhere in the public domain (it contains the full text of the agreement).

The same conditions should have been with OG (but the link with his name is no longer active). ^{[https://bitcointalk.org/T19/OgNasty.txt]}

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
T19 MULTISIG CONTRACT

This is a contract between DarkStar_ ("signer") and theymos.
Signer agrees to participate in a 3-of-5 multisig contract
securing up to 1500 bitcoins, in return for 0.75 bitcoins per
year.

Signer will generate a new Bitcoin public/private keypair for
use in this contract, publish the public key, and keep the
private key perpetually secret and secure (even past the end of
the contract). This public key will be used in a 3-of-5 multisig
Bitcoin-smart-contract.

The bitcoins covered by the contract remain owned by and in the
possession of theymos. This contract does not create a separate
entity, and the signers are not through this contract operating
any type of custodial account. Whenever bitcoins legitimately
leave the possession of the multisig contract, it can only be
because of a direction from theymos, authorized either near the
time of the transaction or through in-advance instructions.

In all matters involving the multisig keys, signer will follow
the instructions of theymos, possibly including detailed
in-advance instructions, as long as the instructions are
reasonably practical to implement, legal, and any extraordinary
costs are reimbursed by theymos. For example, if signer receives
an authenticated instruction from theymos telling him to sign a
certain partially-signed transaction as soon as possible using
the standard transaction-signing algorithm, then signer must do
so, and in this example there should be no extraordinary costs.

From the start, this special in-advance contingency instruction
is in place: (Note that this goes beyond what would normally be
a "reasonably practical" instruction.) If the signer has good
reason to believe that theymos will be unable to issue any
instructions under this contract for more than 1 year -- for
example due to him dying, becoming long-term-indisposed,
disappearing without a trace, being overdue on the yearly fee
required under this contract for more than 6 months, or
explicitly stating that he will be unable to issue instructions;
but not simply because theymos has demonstrated a habit of not
issuing instructions for a long time --, then signer will in a
very public fashion work with the other multisig signers,
bitcointalk.org staff, and notable bitcointalk.org users to see
to the creation of a US non-profit organization with a mission
similar to "In order to increase freedom in the world: Operate
bitcointalk.org and/or sites similar to bitcointalk.org, work
toward the long-term success of Bitcoin, and work toward more
widespread decentralization and applied cryptography." If a
suitable organization already exists, then a new one need not be
created. Once an organization exists which 3 of 5 signers can
agree has a sufficiently-matching mission statement and an
organizational/management structure capable of effectively
fulfilling it, then they are instructed to create and sign a
Bitcoin transaction to send all of the bitcoins covered by the
multisig to the organization. Signer agrees in advance to forego
future yearly fees indefinitely and to forgive past unpaid fees
if this contingency instruction is triggered.

This contract is terminated only if any of the below occur:
 1) Theymos demands the private key from signer, and signer
    produces it as required.
 2) Signer sends theymos his private key on his own initiative
    in order to exit the contract.
 3) Due to the complete execution of the contingency
    instruction, the multisig contract covers no more bitcoins.

After the first yearly fee is paid and the contract is ongoing,
non-payment of a future yearly fee does not terminate the
contract or otherwise end signer's responsibilities under this
contract except possibly via the contingency instruction, though
signer has a right to demand payment of the fee. If signer fails
to follow instructions as required by this contract, then no fee
is due from that point.

Signer must use reasonable methods of securely authenticating
instructions, encrypting/securing the private keys, and
encrypting the private keys if they are transmitted to theymos
(but in a way that theymos can decrypt, such as by encryption to
his PGP public key). If any of the bitcoins protected by the
multisig arrangement are lost/stolen due clearly & directly to
insufficient care by signer, then signer will be responsible for
these losses. Signer has a right to demand, and typically should
demand, non-repudiable authentication such as a PGP signature
from theymos for any instructions.

Authentication guidelines: the exact means of authentication is
left somewhat vague above in order to allow for the flexible
handling of weird circumstances. Usually theymos will send
signers PGP-signed instructions. If these instructions involve
signing a partially-signed transaction which already has
theymos's multisig signature, then this is sufficient
authentication unless signer has some reason to suspect a
problem. If not, then signer should be skeptical -- theymos's
multisig key is in cold storage, while his PGP public key (and
well-known 1NXY... address) is not. If in doubt, delay, demand
more proof, and make the whole thing public. theymos has been
around for almost 10 years, so there's a nearly-endless amount
of info about him which could be used as part of authentication
if necessary. For example, you could demand a signature from his
published forum cold storage addresses, have him provide old
chat log excerpts, provide bank statements with forum-related
expenses, publish some of bitcointalk.org's unpublished source
code, etc. Do not sign any transactions if there is any
reasonable doubt surrounding authentication. If worst comes to
worst and it seems impossible that theymos will ever be able to
be confidently authenticated, then this would warrant triggering
the contingency instruction; better that than giving the BTC to
a thief.

Signer's public key for the multisig:
022b94eb3a6608aef8f18620dff203833ccf601d1800e49dfe2b8dc7326706c091

Signer's Bitcoin address for receiving the first year's payment:
bc1qjw4n3mu5q2hlzjca3ufkhyn7pzmw6pshruzu9f
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1DarkStrRagcDjWtsPGxkav4WG3poLXzDS
G4r0hCYSqUw8wsFWzSX6u5pOegMTIjngFBxLwMN9Nh4ARWQRYHiVs7oypxub1EahZof5FbrYfLt2N+jdK5ew0kg=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Comment: theymos signature with sha256

iF4EAREIAAYFAlzbj74ACgkQxlVWk9q1kee0bQEAm6IcgYQ3Wpv2RN2guAI4eMsj
zeNz48HpRM0OzHpbziAA/RoBE6JTL1G2VR/4HquSfo+qEEPUEfI/oemvmML8Mntm
=P2oi
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Da, jer su 2 walleta.
Sjećam se jer je bila neka luda drama kad je lik koji je bio custodian dobio BCH airdrop i nije se smatrao dužnim to dat nazad.

To je vjerojatno BTC rezerva, stvarno ne znam što je još s BCH-om - je li prodan, maznut il i dalje stoji negdje sa strane.

I can’t remember where it is, but I know for sure that the signed message is somewhere in the public domain (it contains the full text of the agreement).

theymos confirmed that the major forked coins were transferred to him, while for the others he considered that there was too much effort around them and they did not carry significant value.

Are the remaining minor fork coins still held in escrow for the forum by OGNasty?

No, after the major coins were transferred to me, ownership of any remaining forkcoins went to OgNasty.