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September 09, 2019, 03:44:15 PM
Last edit: September 10, 2019, 05:14:59 PM by DigiPiglet
Merited by LoyceV (2), eternalgloom (1), stomachgrowls (1), buwaytress (1)
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Hello everyone

inspired by the Lightning Network Trust Chain, I came up with the idea to do the same with physical Bitcoin. I talked to and met with eternalgloom, as he was happy to participate and give some advice.

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1. Like a collection basket, the DigiPiglet gets handed from person to person (100 people in total), each putting in at least 5€ ($5,50) in Bitcoin on the DigiPiglet Public Bitcoin Address.
2. The person holding the piglet decides who the next trustworthy recipient is.
3. The 99th recipient sends it back to me.
4. I unload the balance and send the money to a Venezuelan Charity Organization (sending it physically would be too risky).
5. If the Kickstarter campaign for DigiPiglets gets funded, each participant receives a free DigiPiglet. Just link us on any mayor social media site or here on bitcointalk (We're on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Steemit)


The piglet is hollow, the only copy of the private key is inside the piglet. To reach it, you'd have to cut it open


DigiPiglet's first recipient

The goal is to do some good for the Venezuelan people, bring Bitcoin back to the minds of people and get some attention to the Kickstarter campaign. The DigiPiglet is one of two prototypes that we've created for this idea. It's made of a squishy material, fun to play around with and serves as a simple piggy bank for Bitcoin.

Thanks to eternalgloom for being the first to receive the DigiPiglet on its journey

What do you guys think? Anybody interested in participating?

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September 09, 2019, 04:13:57 PM
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It was nice meeting you and indeed I'm very happy to participate with this!
I've just sent little over €5 to the DigiPiglet's public address and I'm ready to send it over to someone else.

Now, I'm still doubting who I should send it to, so if there are people here on Bitcointalk who would like to participate, let me know.
I know Stomachgrowls was interested in getting a DigiPiglet, so this might be a chance for you to look at it? Wink
Anyone else may participate as well, I have no problem shipping it to the US or Europe. Some basic level of trust is needed though, so trust scores on Bitcointalk do matter Smiley

I can personally attest that the people behind this project are trustworthy and that the money will go to the right place in the end (with proof of course)!

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September 10, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Last edit: September 10, 2019, 06:47:11 PM by tweetious
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this is a very nice project/idea.  Smiley

I would like to be next in line. I am located in EU

DigiPiglet, please send me a PM with details.

Concerning trust issues,  it would be nice whoever holds the DigiPiglet, to post here the user that they will send it next.

Hence, we will avoid situations being contacted by strangers asking for our shipping details. Another idea is  "DigiPiglet" to coordinate the DigiPiglet exchanges.

I am one of the (few for the moment) Kickstarter backers. Fingers crossed the campaign will get funded eventually :-)

wish you all the best on the success of both Kickstarter & DigiPiglet Journey.
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September 10, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
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OP, and eternalgloom, so glad to see it going somewhere since following it some time ago! I think it's a great idea, and it'd be really fascinating (at least on some level!) to be part of this, and be part of the whole bitcoin tapestry.

Now I'd like to contribute but not via Kickstarter. I think I commented in the KS thread that I would have put in something if it accepted BTC. Happy to join the chain if anyone would have me (but location is shifting a lot!).

Regardless, my contribution to keep this rolling.

Good work, guys!


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September 10, 2019, 06:38:34 PM
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Wow, amazing, didn't expect so many people would be interested!
I have my work cut out, just to pick someone.

Btw, I've made a list here with all the people who are interested in participating:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130404.msg52414882#msg52414882

I'm keeping it updated and will pick someone tomorrow. I've also suggested that we work through this list in the beginning, so everyone gets a chance to participate.

I'll also just post this here again, a blog post I've made on Steemit regarding the DigiPiglet Journey:
https://steemit.com/blog/@daan/the-digipiglet-journey-creating-a-physical-bitcoin-trust-chain-for-venezuela

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BIG THANKS for the early contribution!

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September 11, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
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@eternal Unfortunately I have no real idea about Steemit but I liked the post anyway and I think I shared it (I need to check properly)!

I saw your PM and responded only just now, this little project had me interested from the beginning for some really odd reason so I really don't mind. It would be so cool to see his piglet traverse the world wouldn't it?

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September 12, 2019, 09:24:14 AM
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Don't worry about it @buwaytress, you did well Smiley

I'm sending the DigiPiglet to you in a couple of hours, going to the post office at around 2 PM Smiley

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September 12, 2019, 02:14:15 PM
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Everyone, thank you so much for participating! Really makes me happy to see the piglet get around Cheesy

Just wanted to note that you don't necessarily have to send it via mail, if you know someone who is interested and is willing to look for the next person, you can hand it to them personally. Just make sure they are able to share it online. You can always contact me if you need assistance. Whoever wants to write about it or share it otherwise, feel free to send me a pm if you have further questions. Of course, anyone is invited to donate even if you can't participate (thanks buwaytress!)

Lets see where this goes Grin


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September 12, 2019, 02:57:11 PM
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It's now on its way to buwaytress Smiley
I hope it arrives safely, because I didn't go for the tracking. Trying to keep it a bit cheaper to send, as the tracking would have added too much.

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September 12, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
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Thanks for the update, eternal! No worries, I think post in this region is fairly reliable, except for extreme bad luck. Worse case, we have the private key!

Now my next job is to find someone else, or is tweetious going to next? Be nice to find a way to also "stamp/mark" or even inscribe all the locations on the piglet, but there could be some other creative way later to assign some note to it without scarring the pretty thing heh.

@DigiPiglet projects like this make me smile. And, I suppose the rules, like most things like this, can tend to be quite fluid!

Update you guys when it arrives.


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September 12, 2019, 03:46:32 PM
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@buwaytress

The Bengy guy on my list is also from The Netherlands, so that might be a good option?
And them maybe let him send it to someone in the UK for example, so it can go to Gibraltar pretty cheaply.

I hope you guys don't mind me sharing the general locations, it's kinda hard to organize if I don't Tongue

The Bengy guy I'm talking about is on this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130404.msg52414882#msg52414882

Oh yeah, I've also added some DigiPiglet stickers in the package, you can send a couple of them along as well. It's not like they weigh much.

Adding the receipt I got from the post office as proof:


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September 17, 2019, 12:25:38 AM
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Key Facts:
3. The 99th recipient sends it back to me.
4. I unload the balance and send the money to a Venezuelan Charity Organization

How can we be sure you just won't keep the coin?   You are an anonymous newbie.  :/

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Key Facts:
3. The 99th recipient sends it back to me.
4. I unload the balance and send the money to a Venezuelan Charity Organization

How can we be sure you just won't keep the coin?   You are an anonymous newbie.  :/

I know I don't have a trust score, but I've been a member here for a long time and I've never bothered with getting a trust score by doing small transactions or whatever.
I can vouch for him, since I've met him IRL.

I just don't think he'd put the reputation of his entire business in jeopardy, by stealing a measly $500 (the approximate value of the DigiPiglet at the end of its journey).
He traveled all the way to Belgium, in order to meet me and hand me the DigiPiglet. Would a scammer really go through all that trouble to steal $500?

We haven't even decided where the money will go exactly, I'd suggest letting the community decide that and make it all as transparent as possible.
I'm 100% sure that OP wouldn't have a problem with that, heck, he probably also wants to do it like this.

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Key Facts:
3. The 99th recipient sends it back to me.
4. I unload the balance and send the money to a Venezuelan Charity Organization

How can we be sure you just won't keep the coin?   You are an anonymous newbie.  :/

You can't, that's why it's a trust chain Wink But I have a digital footprint and I'm happy to engage with you guys in real life. If you check out my Kickstarter you will find my real name. My LinkedIn is out there as well.

Check out DigiPiglets Journey on DigiPiglets.com (https://digipiglets.com/pages/the-digipiglet-journey)
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September 18, 2019, 01:15:58 PM
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I'm getting a bit worried now for the DigiPiglet, I hope it didn't get lost in the mail.
Since I've mailed it last Thursday, I would have thought it'd had arrived by now.

I hope it'll arrive tomorrow at buwaytress's place.

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I'm getting a bit worried now for the DigiPiglet, I hope it didn't get lost in the mail.
Since I've mailed it last Thursday, I would have thought it'd had arrived by now.

I hope it'll arrive tomorrow at buwaytress's place.

Does the mail carrier have an inquiry process for stuff like missing mail?

Check out DigiPiglets Journey on DigiPiglets.com (https://digipiglets.com/pages/the-digipiglet-journey)
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September 18, 2019, 04:29:41 PM
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I really like how the work is ot for but I just see two flaws in the system. One is the need of the DigiPiglet to be on hand physically to the next recipient before it can send BTC to the piglet, by doing this like what eternalgloom will be doing on shipping it to the next trustworthy person he will be incurring additional cost by doing so. The second one is related to the first flaw because this kind of system you will be risking the donations everytime you send it to another person, as you are handing out the private key everytime you send it to an individual even if you think the person is trustworthy doing it with 98 more prople looks like a risky thing to do.

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September 18, 2019, 05:02:16 PM
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I really like how the work is ot for but I just see two flaws in the system. One is the need of the DigiPiglet to be on hand physically to the next recipient before it can send BTC to the piglet, by doing this like what eternalgloom will be doing on shipping it to the next trustworthy person he will be incurring additional cost by doing so. The second one is related to the first flaw because this kind of system you will be risking the donations everytime you send it to another person, as you are handing out the private key everytime you send it to an individual even if you think the person is trustworthy doing it with 98 more prople looks like a risky thing to do.

You're right with your assessment, but you always have that risk in a trust chain. The reason we're going through the effort of sending it from person to person is that we want people to hold this thing in their hands, share it, show it to friends and anyone that's interested. We're not about being the most efficient charity out there, just completely different.

Check out DigiPiglets Journey on DigiPiglets.com (https://digipiglets.com/pages/the-digipiglet-journey)
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I'm getting a bit worried now for the DigiPiglet, I hope it didn't get lost in the mail.
Since I've mailed it last Thursday, I would have thought it'd had arrived by now.

I hope it'll arrive tomorrow at buwaytress's place.

Does the mail carrier have an inquiry process for stuff like missing mail?

I reckon they do, I'll start that process if it hasn't arrived by Friday.
Now, I did also put a return address on it, so normally it should just arrive back at my place if something went wrong.

Maybe go with tracking to send it to the next guy, if that isn't too expensive.

The Bitcoins are still on it at least Tongue

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You're right with your assessment, but you always have that risk in a trust chain. The reason we're going through the effort of sending it from person to person is that we want people to hold this thing in their hands, share it, show it to friends and anyone that's interested. We're not about being the most efficient charity out there, just completely different.

So are you just doing this solely because of marketing or you want to give the donor a firsthand experience on how he can be part of the charity? Either way this is really risky, I haven't even mentioned anything about the risk on how it could have problems with your courier (from delays and damages to theft) and I think eternalgloom is currently experiencing it now with the delay in shipment. At least just make the piggy empty and don't store the wallet's private keys inside of it, it removes the temptation for the donors on stealing it and there is really no point on adding it when already receiving the DigiPiglet is something they need to look forward for.

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