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November 02, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
 #101

Also, you are the least trusted person (most distrusted) on this forum.
His BPIP profile is ridiculously out of date*. His trust value under the old system actually stands at a whopping -549,755,813,888. One more tag and he'll become the first red trust trillionaire! Grin (Maybe that's the achievement he's aiming for.)

*His negative trust is high enough to trigger a 32-bit integer overflow, so maybe it's straight-up crashing Vod's parser. Undecided
The trust of who on this forum did I breach and how?


If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here.

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November 02, 2019, 03:31:58 PM
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Also, you are the least trusted person (most distrusted) on this forum.
His BPIP profile is ridiculously out of date*. His trust value under the old system actually stands at a whopping -549,755,813,888. One more tag and he'll become the first red trust trillionaire! Grin (Maybe that's the achievement he's aiming for.)

*His negative trust is high enough to trigger a 32-bit integer overflow, so maybe it's straight-up crashing Vod's parser. Undecided

Woah Shocked What an achievement indeed and it overlaps the 32-bit integer for more than a couple of bits.
Thanks for pointing that out.

True that, I saw the negative feedbacks piling up but have not noticed that the old system score on BPIP wasn't up to date.
We could speculate this is some kind of recognition among crooks; he does that with such an ease he could totally teach a "game-protecting" class.

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November 02, 2019, 05:15:36 PM
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Also, you are the least trusted person (most distrusted) on this forum.
His BPIP profile is ridiculously out of date*. His trust value under the old system actually stands at a whopping -549,755,813,888. One more tag and he'll become the first red trust trillionaire! Grin (Maybe that's the achievement he's aiming for.)

*His negative trust is high enough to trigger a 32-bit integer overflow, so maybe it's straight-up crashing Vod's parser. Undecided
The trust of who on this forum did I breach and how?


If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here.
1) In the real world, around July 2019 is not a day! Roll Eyes

2) In the real world, asking to lend BTC worth 10€ is not a scam! Roll Eyes

(September 3rd) My suspicion substantiated when he asked me to borrow him €10. For the second time.

3) Please show the written contract?

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November 02, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
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3) Please show the written contract?


You wrote this, right? Writing this or things to this effect creates something with equivalence to a written contract in many jurisdictions, there have been court cases won over things scrawled on napkins before so an email with an explicit promise like that would definitely be upheld in a court.

You've already shown that you have no regard for the law except for stupid copy pastes that are irrelevant to the context of the situation, though.

 
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November 02, 2019, 09:23:48 PM
Last edit: November 03, 2019, 04:37:17 AM by mprep
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Thank you for confirming that a written contract does not exist, because written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy

Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy



Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy

They don't borrow 10€ neither.. Roll Eyes
Real world people who have studied law ask to lend BTC worth 10€ if they do not have any on hand! Roll Eyes



OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

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This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

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November 02, 2019, 10:24:15 PM
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Thank you for confirming that a written contract does not exist, because written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy

Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy

You don't get to be a weasel and not get griefed here. Sorry.

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November 02, 2019, 10:27:42 PM
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[...] written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy
This is blatantly false. I have no idea whether you know that or not as it's 50/50 as to whether you do know that, but are just being deceptive, or whether you are simply just dumb.

There are plenty of jurisdictions in which promises made in correspondence or verbal agreement can be considered a written contract with or without a signature. And in the jurisdictions where it's not considered a "written contract", it can still be considered implied, and so you would still receive a red flag on this forum.

Arguing over the nuance of whether or not the contract was 'written' rather than as to whether or not you scammed him shows how much of a low-life you are.

 
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November 03, 2019, 03:54:16 AM
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OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

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This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

It is all referenced here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183189.0

It is all stated in the flag text:



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

Everyone else in this thread understands it - except G-P

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November 03, 2019, 11:10:15 AM
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~snip~

Everyone else in this thread understands it - except G-P
Well I do not believe that he does not understand. He is just another level stupid who thinks pretending is going to give him some edge. May be some day he will realize that for him the entire business is facing this reputation problem assuming the game-protect.com is a company.

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November 03, 2019, 04:49:10 PM
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Thank you for confirming that a written contract does not exist, because written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy

Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy



Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy

They don't borrow 10€ neither.. Roll Eyes
Real world people who have studied law ask to lend BTC worth 10€ if they do not have any on hand! Roll Eyes



OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

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This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

From src: https://www.upcounsel.com/is-an-email-legally-binding

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Most people think of contracts as being formal agreements put into writing and signed by the parties concerned, often with lawyers present, but the fact of the matter is that a contract is merely an agreement between multiple parties concerning an exchange of items of value, and the physical form of the contract is not so important.

Therefore, in theory, a contract could be written upon a napkin just as well as watermarked paper, so long as the terms were stated clearly and agreed to, and oral or verbal contracts are not unheard of (though difficult to enforce and frowned upon by many).

One of the common misconceptions concerning contracts is that a signature is required for a contract to be binding, while actually, all that is required is for both parties to agree upon the terms set out.

This has also been confirmed by the New York Supreme Court along with other courts around the world.

Src: https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2013/12/09/are-your-emails-enforceable-contracts/#78e9be184f8a

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Appellate Division stated: “given the now widespread use of email as a form of written communication in both personal and business affairs, it would be unreasonable to conclude that email messages are incapable of conforming to the criteria of [New York law] simply because they cannot be physically signed in a traditional fashion.”

Simply the words "Game Protect wrote" within your email exchange is enough to be deemed a signature within the eyes of the law. Don't believe me, google it. There are countless cases around the world where *real* judges have deemed that email exchanges without formal signing are still deemed as valid evidence and are held up in the eyes of the law as contracts.

At the end of the day, if you want to argue the verbiage of BitcoinTalk, that's fine. But it still does not defeat the fact that you did not make h4ns wholesome with regards to your obligations towards him/her. Period. You scammed h4ns.

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November 03, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
Last edit: November 03, 2019, 06:03:25 PM by game-protect
 #111

Thank you for confirming that a written contract does not exist, because written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy

Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy



Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy

They don't borrow 10€ neither.. Roll Eyes
Real world people who have studied law ask to lend BTC worth 10€ if they do not have any on hand! Roll Eyes



OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

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This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

From src: https://www.upcounsel.com/is-an-email-legally-binding

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Most people think of contracts as being formal agreements put into writing and signed by the parties concerned, often with lawyers present, but the fact of the matter is that a contract is merely an agreement between multiple parties concerning an exchange of items of value, and the physical form of the contract is not so important.

Therefore, in theory, a contract could be written upon a napkin just as well as watermarked paper, so long as the terms were stated clearly and agreed to, and oral or verbal contracts are not unheard of (though difficult to enforce and frowned upon by many).

One of the common misconceptions concerning contracts is that a signature is required for a contract to be binding, while actually, all that is required is for both parties to agree upon the terms set out.
For written contracts the signatures of both parties are required! Tongue


This has also been confirmed by the New York Supreme Court along with other courts around the world.

Src: https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2013/12/09/are-your-emails-enforceable-contracts/#78e9be184f8a

Appellate Division stated: “given the now widespread use of email as a form of written communication in both personal and business affairs, it would be unreasonable to conclude that email messages are incapable of conforming to the criteria of [New York law] simply because they cannot be physically signed in a traditional fashion.”
New York law is not applicable! Roll Eyes


You scammed h4ns.
At what day and how?

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November 03, 2019, 05:56:02 PM
 #112

Thank you for confirming that a written contract does not exist, because written contracts require signatures from both parties and I am not able to see any! Cheesy

Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy



Look it is simple, real world people who have studied law do not spam signatures for cents! Cheesy

They don't borrow 10€ neither.. Roll Eyes
Real world people who have studied law ask to lend BTC worth 10€ if they do not have any on hand! Roll Eyes



OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

Quote
This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

From src: https://www.upcounsel.com/is-an-email-legally-binding

Quote
Most people think of contracts as being formal agreements put into writing and signed by the parties concerned, often with lawyers present, but the fact of the matter is that a contract is merely an agreement between multiple parties concerning an exchange of items of value, and the physical form of the contract is not so important.

Therefore, in theory, a contract could be written upon a napkin just as well as watermarked paper, so long as the terms were stated clearly and agreed to, and oral or verbal contracts are not unheard of (though difficult to enforce and frowned upon by many).

One of the common misconceptions concerning contracts is that a signature is required for a contract to be binding, while actually, all that is required is for both parties to agree upon the terms set out.

This has also been confirmed by the New York Supreme Court along with other courts around the world.

Src: https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2013/12/09/are-your-emails-enforceable-contracts/#78e9be184f8a

Quote
Appellate Division stated: “given the now widespread use of email as a form of written communication in both personal and business affairs, it would be unreasonable to conclude that email messages are incapable of conforming to the criteria of [New York law] simply because they cannot be physically signed in a traditional fashion.”

Simply the words "Game Protect wrote" within your email exchange is enough to be deemed a signature within the eyes of the law. Don't believe me, google it. There are countless cases around the world where *real* judges have deemed that email exchanges without formal signing are still deemed as valid evidence and are held up in the eyes of the law as contracts.

At the end of the day, if you want to argue the verbiage of BitcoinTalk, that's fine. But it still does not defeat the fact that you did not make h4ns wholesome with regards to your obligations towards him/her. Period. You scammed h4ns.
For written contracts the signatures of both parties are required! Tongue

US laws are not applicable! Roll Eyes

Fine, you want a different country:

https://parissmith.co.uk/blog/even-emails-text-messaging-can-constitute-legally-binding-agreement/
https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts

The following obligations in EU law have to be met:

An intention by both parties to enter into legal relations
An offer by one of the parties which is capable of being accepted by the other
Acceptance of that offer by the other, and
A mutual promise by each to provide something of value to the other (known in law as 'consideration')

ALL of which are applicable to your email exchange with h4ns.

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November 03, 2019, 06:10:19 PM
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https://parissmith.co.uk/blog/even-emails-text-messaging-can-constitute-legally-binding-agreement/
https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts

The following obligations in EU law have to be met:

An intention by both parties to enter into legal relations

An offer by one of the parties which is capable of being accepted by the other
Acceptance of that offer by the other, and
A mutual promise by each to provide something of value to the other (known in law as 'consideration')

ALL of which are applicable to your email exchange with h4ns.
The theme is written contract and not binding agreements, but thank you for confrming that a legally binding agreement does not exist! Cheesy

1) I never had the intention to enter into legal relations.

Despite of this, donations exclude legal relations by default.

Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.

2) I never promised anything

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https://parissmith.co.uk/blog/even-emails-text-messaging-can-constitute-legally-binding-agreement/
https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts

The following obligations in EU law have to be met:

An intention by both parties to enter into legal relations

An offer by one of the parties which is capable of being accepted by the other
Acceptance of that offer by the other, and
A mutual promise by each to provide something of value to the other (known in law as 'consideration')

ALL of which are applicable to your email exchange with h4ns.
The theme is written contract and not binding agreements, but thank you for confrming that a legally binding agreement does not exist! Cheesy

1) I never had the intention to enter into legal relations. Despite of this, donations exclude legal relations by default.

2) I never promised anything

Did you not honestly read what I just sent. Emails can create legally binding contracts. A contract is an agreement. Look, I know your english isn't great, but if it isn't, you can't then over-analyze verbiage.

1) Good call sign of a scammer. "ITS A DONATION". Wow, you still created, within your email, a list of obligations for yourself. Besides, the very definition of what you are doing, I would argue, isn't a donation. Transactions aren't considered "donations" when in exchange for something, regardless of whether you'd like to call it a "donation" or not. For example, in Canadian law (which I assume would run the same as EU): "Thus, a gift is the voluntary and gratuitous transfer of property.[59] Furthermore, the donor must not draw any personal benefit, either directly or indirectly, in consideration for the transfer.[60] The gesture must be entirely gratuitous and a reflection of liberal intent on the part of the donor in regard to the donee."
2) This seems like a promise to me: http://i.gyazo.com/c93468342382dcdf69fe53a0000ac19a.png

https://parissmith.co.uk/blog/even-emails-text-messaging-can-constitute-legally-binding-agreement/
https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts

The following obligations in EU law have to be met:

An intention by both parties to enter into legal relations

An offer by one of the parties which is capable of being accepted by the other
Acceptance of that offer by the other, and
A mutual promise by each to provide something of value to the other (known in law as 'consideration')

ALL of which are applicable to your email exchange with h4ns.
The theme is written contract and not binding agreements, but thank you for confrming that a legally binding agreement does not exist! Cheesy

1) I never had the intention to enter into legal relations.

Despite of this, donations exclude legal relations by default.

Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.

2) I never promised anything

With your edit, you literally just confirmed what I said. So you're making promises but saying you'll take "donations". That's scamming people. You can't say "I'll do this TASK for you, IF you make a donation" and then once you take the donation say "Well, because I SAID it was a donation, I no longer have to do TASK for you"

That's against the law mate. If you state, ahead of time, that the donation is in exchange for a service, it's no longer considered a donation. It's considered a legitimate, taxable BTW, transaction.

So you're honestly probably evading tax laws by calling them donations aren't you. Ah, that aught to get sketchy.

Here you are, calling everyone else criminals, when you're probably committing tax evasion yourself and you're committing donation fraud.

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November 03, 2019, 06:21:34 PM
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Did you not honestly read what I just sent. Emails can create legally binding contracts.
The theme is written contract and not what emails can create! Roll Eyes

Where is the written contract?

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. game-protect did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around July 2019. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance.

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November 03, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
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Did you not honestly read what I just sent. Emails can create legally binding contracts.
The theme is written contract and not what email can create! Roll Eyes

Where is the written contract?

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. game-protect did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around July 2019. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance.





I just posted a damn link stating that in the EU an email can be considered a written god-damn contract.

Please... read...

https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts
https://parissmith.co.uk/blog/even-emails-text-messaging-can-constitute-legally-binding-agreement/

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The parties exchanged a series of emails where they agreed a series of amendments to a standard-form document. The language used was far from formal legalese and it even included text speak. At the end of the negotiations, one of the parties asked the other to provide a full and complete signed agreement incorporating all the key terms. In fact, this document was never drafted (never mind signed), but the court confirmed that the parties intended to be bound by the terms which they informally negotiated and agreed in the emails. The court went further and said that if a person puts his name on an email to indicate that it comes with his authority and he takes responsibility for its contents, it will be deemed to be a signature for the purpose of section 4 of the Statute of Frauds 1677. This is the case even where only the first name, initials or perhaps even a nickname is used.

This is Golden Ocean Group Ltd v Sagacor Mining Industries PVT Ltd and another [2012] EWCA Civ 265, UK.

IE, by placing your name or entity "Game Protect", that you take legal responsibility for its contents.

Id be hard pressed to find a judge that wouldn't run in h4ns' favour at this point.

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Last edit: November 06, 2019, 11:59:08 AM by game-protect
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In the real world it works like this:

- If Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019, then h4ns's brain would have substantiated that Game Protect is a scam / show around July 2019 and not September 3rd after I asked him if he can lend me BTC worth 10€ the second time! Smiley

(September 3rd) My suspicion substantiated when he asked me to borrow him €10. For the second time.

- If the brain of a customer substantiated that Game Protect is a scam / show, then it would withdraw its 7 pending enforcement cases? Smiley

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In the real world it works like this:

If Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019, then h4ns's brain would have substantiated that Game Protect is a scam / show around July 2019 and not September 3rd after I asked him if he can lend me BTC worth 10€ the second time! Smiley


Lets say a player gets frustrated with a casino for some reason and calls them a scam on a forum. (happens all the time)

Do you think the Casino has the right to just take the players money from their account, cancel any withdraws and just keep it and tell the player the funds were being deducted from $10,000 that the player now owes the Casino?

What would you say to a Casino that did this?

Who's wrong, Casino or Player?

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Lets say a player gets frustrated with a casino for some reason and calls them a scam on a forum. (happens all the time)

Do you think the Casino has the right to just take the players money from their account, cancel any withdraws and just keep it and tell the player the funds were being deducted from $10,000 that the player now owes the Casino?

What would you say to a Casino that did this?

Who's wrong, Casino or Player?



There are tons of "Scam" threads in SBR and other places where users call casinos and bookmakers scam - they are still getting their withdrawals processed, of course.

Game Protect - please resolve this with h4ns instead of grinding water - it's impossible to grind water so just stop it ... think about it for the sake of your business, and I'm saying it without any incentives whatsoever.

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Last edit: November 04, 2019, 11:54:48 AM by game-protect
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OP, I suggest you to create a red flag against GP, I will support the flag. Since it was a written contract with you, I would suggest you to go with flag type 3.

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This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.


Start to create the flag against game-protect from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=874254

I will tag him using this post reference and I hope in future no one else falls the victim of game-protect.
The biggest mistake online casino victims can do is listen to extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts! Cheesy

Please show the written contract? Grin

It is all referenced here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183189.0
I am not able to see a written contract there, please quote it Huh

I am not able to see at what day and how the scam happened, please quote it Huh

h4ns says that his brain substantiated September 3rd that Game Protect is a scam / show, after I asked him if he can lend me BTC worth 10€, but asking to lend BTC worth 10€ is not a scam in the real world Huh

(September) My suspicion substantiated when he asked me to borrow him €10. For the second time.

h4ns says that his brain substantiated September 3rd that Game Protect is a scam / show, after I asked him if he can lend me BTC worth 10€, but the red flag says around July 2019 Huh

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. game-protect did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around July 2019. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance.

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