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September 18, 2019, 12:11:43 AM
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My one merit enables me to bump, however after a little bit of experimenting, I came across this:

Your first bump contributes 1 "point" to the bump score, your second bump 0.85, and so on. You've done probably around 40-50 bumps to get to this:

You won't be allowed to superbump if you would contribute less than 0.001 bump score.

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September 18, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
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My one merit enables me to bump, however after a little bit of experimenting, I came across this:

Your first bump contributes 1 "point" to the bump score, your second bump 0.85, and so on. You've done probably around 40-50 bumps to get to this:

You won't be allowed to superbump if you would contribute less than 0.001 bump score.


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September 19, 2019, 12:31:55 AM
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My one merit enables me to bump, however after a little bit of experimenting, I came across this:

Your first bump contributes 1 "point" to the bump score, your second bump 0.85, and so on. You've done probably around 40-50 bumps to get to this:

You won't be allowed to superbump if you would contribute less than 0.001 bump score.

My one merit gives me a "bump" of 1.0 - yes?



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You've done probably around 40-50 bumps to get to this:

You won't be allowed to superbump if you would contribute less than 0.001 bump score.

As I said, I was experimenting...  Grin



Become more active, make quality posts and earn more merit and then you may have more bumping power  Wink

It's starting to bite in on people who thought that making quality posts and gaining merits was useless

Your multiple merits entitles you to a "bump" of 1.0 - yes?

My one post earning just one merit therefore weighs as much as all of your posts earning numerous merits when used to "bump".  - yes?



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...who thought that making quality posts and gaining merits...

Must be nice to have friends give you nine merits to say what a great guy someone is. - yes?  Roll Eyes

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September 19, 2019, 12:57:27 AM
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My one merit gives me a "bump" of 1.0 - yes?

Initial bump is worth 1.0, each subsequent bump is worth 15% less. Assuming you will continue to have 1 earned merit in the last year, your total bump power will not exceed ~6.7 (1.0+0.85+0.72+0.61...) in 30 days, no matter how many times you bump.

Your multiple merits entitles you to a "bump" of 1.0 - yes?

My one post earning just one merit therefore weighs as much as all of your posts earning numerous merits when used to "bump".  - yes?

No:

Your base bump power is the smaller of these two values:
 - The activity you would have if you'd signed up 1 year ago.
 - The merit you've earned in the last year.

So it would be ~177 for Bitcoin_Arena.

Must be nice to have friends give you nine merits to say what a great guy someone is. - yes?  Roll Eyes

If you're implying that Bitcoin_Arena is my friend - well, we haven't met so I'm not sure if we'd get along unless you know something I don't.

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September 19, 2019, 05:18:45 AM
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Dope. This improvement beats the hell of the last significant change to this forum. I don't want to trail off-topic here so I wont mention how s***** the merit system is. I definitely wont bring up the fact that I want to give out merit to worthy topics but I can't because I'm not sitting at the cool table. Bump changes..... Right on target.

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September 19, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
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Some positive effects....

All of the sock-puppets pumping the Bankera/Spectrocoin scams are finding their posts not going to the top of the board after they post. That is the primary reason I have stopped posting there and I have those scammers on IGNORE anyway.

Maybe if I have something to add or maybe if a respected member posts in that thread then it might push the thread up in the listings but other than that they deserve to lurk near the gutter because these scammers are disgusting thieves that use their sock-puppets to try to fool people in to believing their scams are "real" projects.

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September 20, 2019, 12:48:39 PM
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I'd like to ask one thing.
Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?

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September 20, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
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I'd like to ask one thing.
Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?

Everything related to any kind of bumping business will be chaised and reported. I'm pretty sure that if there are enough evidence of such services, the related accounts will get what they deserve.
It will be quite expensive service and very easy to loose a valuable accounts.

I'm more worried that probably the marked for tagged,
merited accounts will be more active.

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September 20, 2019, 01:08:57 PM
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I'd like to ask one thing.
Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?
I don't think it will be banned but
1. It will be harder for the bumping service providers. I mean they have to farms 10 - 20 accounts to have good activity and merits in the past 1 year which is one hell of a hard job  Grin unlike in the past where on just had to have a dozen brand new or newbie accounts

2. Bumping power will keep decreasing with each bump making their life even harder

3. Bumping services will even be more noticeable and the culprits could easily be targeted and have their bump posts reported and promptly get deleted by the mods. So it will be all for nothing

Imagine losing about 10 ranked up alts due to bumping to red tags from DT members and having to start off with new accounts all the way from Newbie rank. The bumping service providers would eventually give up
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September 20, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
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1. It will be harder for the bumping service providers. I mean they have to farms 10 - 20 accounts to have good activity and merits in the past 1 year which is one hell of a hard job  Grin unlike in the past where on just had to have a dozen brand new or newbie accounts
I think having only one account is enough for bumping a few topics if the user has big number of merits. Even if someone bumps 1 topic per day, the effect of the super bump will be 18 times the effect of a poster than mini bump a topic. I have made some diagrams to compare the effect of super bumps with mini bumps.
Any way, I guess every user misuse the new pumping system, will be punished by moderators.

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September 20, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
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Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?
If bump spammers change their business model in such a way that they create valuable content and make quality posts, I couldn't be happier Wink

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September 20, 2019, 08:10:35 PM
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I'd like to ask one thing.
Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?
This may happen, but the business model is not going to work as it did in the past. An account can only bump a thread via posting once per week, removing most incentives to have fake conversations in threads. Each account can also ‘superbump’ only so much before the effect of each additional superbump has nearly zero effect. If someone is farming merit amongst themselves to get a higher base bump score, and those accounts are all systematically bumping the same threads, this should be obvious to the admins and their base bump scores can be reduced (but not zeroed so to not make it too obvious to those behind the farmed accounts).

I predict this will result in more signature advertising and higher prices for forum ads because businesses will have more difficulties promoting themselves with a thread alone.

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September 20, 2019, 08:34:00 PM
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Will a professional bumping activity (quality posting to gain merits and then selling the deriving bumping force) be banned here?
If bump spammers change their business model in such a way that they create valuable content and make quality posts, I couldn't be happier Wink


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September 20, 2019, 11:01:00 PM
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There are costs and risks for sure but the rewards are much greater too. Previously a bump to the ANN frontpage would last just a few minutes. Now if you get a thread to the frontpage it may stay there for hours, so one strategically executed bump could be worth possibly hundreds of "old" bumps.

Besides even the "old" bumps still work, kinda sorta. Threads with zero bump score start on page 4 and get sorted by last post date from there. Not sure what's the relative value of being on page 4 vs front page is though. Perhaps theymos could share some click stats. Some threads are still being relentlessly shitbumped so it must be worth something to someone.

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September 21, 2019, 05:17:25 AM
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zero bump score start on page 4

I bumped a bunch of old coins I could think of and think I have the spammers pushed back to page 5 now..

Can you guys think of any more unbumped ANNs to bump up and give newbs a read?
Maybe some epic scamcoins to give them a good education of what can happen?



I almost think if this bump change happened before the last BTC pump, BTC would have gone to 50k or so and ETH and all it's scamcoin children wouldn't have stolen the incoming investment to BTC into the hands of all those scammers..
All these stipud ICOs really hurt BTC in investment and image IMO.. Shame..

Edit: LOL, I Put the top first 8 threads on page 1 in Announcements (Altcoins) just now and like half the rest on page 1..
That is some serious bump power..



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September 21, 2019, 09:27:33 AM
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Not sure what's the relative value of being on page 4 vs front page is though. Perhaps theymos could share some click stats. Some threads are still being relentlessly shitbumped so it must be worth something to someone.

You're overestimating the spammers involved in this business, do you think they read the meta section or the forum announcements?

I'm sure at least a few of them don't have a clue about the new system and think they are still bumping the service to the first page,  some have been paid for a period of time and they are doing this to get their money even if they know their task is almost useless but they are probably keeping quiet from the owner of the shitcoin. Also, there are probably some new "projects" that have zero posts and again the owners are paying those just to fake some conversation and interest in the coin.

If theymos could display for a week or a month this change on the alt boards in a similar style to the flag system at the top of the topic, not the small news link which probably 99% ignore then we will see them on page 24.


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September 23, 2019, 06:34:12 AM
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I bumped a bunch of old coins I could think of and think I have the spammers pushed back to page 5 now..

*snip*

Can you guys think of any more unbumped ANNs to bump up and give newbs a read?...

You'll get bored before I do... (even Lauda has fallen from first place onto second or third page)

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September 23, 2019, 06:59:13 AM
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That is some serious bump power..
My meagre 284 merits can out-bump your 84 merits (and no doubt someone else will out-bump me...)

No, they can't since eddie13 has also some 500 ninja merits as back-up.  Grin
He has earned 585 not 85.

Seems like the zero bumped posted have made it to the middle of page 3, and in my opinion it shows only one thing, there is little to none interest in altcoins from  high rank and merited users, a few of those topics making it to the first two pages are just super bumped but the people doing so haven't made a single post in the topic. I'm really bad at predicting things but probably in a month or so we will see the bumping bots advancing to page 2 and maybe 1.




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September 23, 2019, 07:12:31 AM
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No, they can't since eddie13 has also some 500 ninja merits as back-up.  Grin
He has earned 585 not 85.

According to the OP, only the merits that have been earned during the past year are considered.

- The merit you've earned in the last year.

And According to what is shown on Loyce.club, eddie13 has earned 521 merits in the past year however eddie13 is still much more powerful than Timelord2067. Grin

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Seems like the zero bumped posted have made it to the middle of page 3, and in my opinion it shows only one thing, there is little to none interest in altcoins from  high rank and merited users, a few of those topics making it to the first two pages are just super bumped but the people doing so haven't made a single post in the topic. I'm really bad at predicting things but probably in a month or so we will see the bumping bots advancing to page 2 and maybe 1.

Bump power must expire or wear off of threads pretty fast then.. I don't remember...
A topic's bump score is affected by the above two actions over the last 36 hours. Each action's effect decays linearly over the 36 hours, so an event which contributed 1 at the beginning will contribute 0.5 after 18 hours.

Ah there it is..
Maybe that is a little too fast..

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