Red Trust for participating in the subscription

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They painted the Trust in Russian Locale for a biased attitude towards a subscription company.

Forum member:kzv
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662400
in topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.1960



To my appeal, in the analysis of an unpleasant situation for me:
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Please explain why you decided to color my Trust, were there good reasons for this, or is it a personal dislike? We have never crossed paths before, we certainly don’t know each other! What is the reason?
The request to remove this negative slander, I hope this is an erroneous action on your part.



To which I received an answer:

Hello, I’ll try to explain.
I looked at what you are writing and I have a firm belief that the purpose of your posts is not to participate in the forum topics, but to fill in pseudo-meaningful posts in the amount necessary to participate in the bounty campaign. That is, in fact, you are a source of meaningless spam that makes it difficult for another user to communicate and search for information on the forum.

Next I answered the following:
Strange arguments, because you are clearly cunning, my posts are no worse than other forum users on this forum, but your "pseudo-meaningful posts" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52483911#msg52483911 I already noticed.
Are you doing this in order to support your pseudo-useful post by Merit?

Can I start to study your posts and appeal to those people who will not support your meaningless arguments ?! Filling Merita in such a dirty way, be sure that the elders on the forum will like it.



kzv and other topic teachers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.1960 the reputation of not only the participants of the subscription company Minter, but also of the project as a whole is discredited. I will not tolerate such an attitude towards myself, therefore I ask you for help, please remove my unreasonably painted trust and apply retaliatory measures against these participants by applying sanctions on the forum.

Can you help me to solve this problem?

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[AB de Royse777]

Can you help me to solve this problem?

Trust are not moderated, only the person who gave you the feedback (in this case kzv) can edit/delete it.

It looks like you have given the tag because of the low quality posts you are making in the boards. In my opinion giving red trust for this sorts of reason is too harsh. I would not like to hand out a tag for anyone for posting low value post but I will report the posts to moderators.

kzv has full right to do whatever he wants to do with but I think in this case the best solution is to report the posts that seems low value and unsubstantial.

Edit:
I just reviewed the sent feedback by kzv and found two more feedback (I admit that I did not review all the feedback, just had a quick scan) which did not look good to me.


Livecoin has proven them that they are deliberately harming the crypto users. And knowing that, defending an exchange like Livecoin is not that good in my opinion.


It's the same with the feedback left to you.

Anyway, since in the current DT system you can distrust a user if you see their judgement is not community standard, anyone is more than welcome to entrust or distrust a user.

[The Cryptovator]

According to comment of your red tag, you got tag for spam and shitpost. Seems most of your post on bounty thread and rest is on local borad. For that reason I don't think you deserve tag. Spam should be handle by forum itself, not by DT members. If like that then most of bounty hunters would get red tag.

However, no one could help you on this case except kzv since he is the one who have left red tag on your profile. Although its depend on kzv but I think he should consider about his feedback on this case.

[bitmover]

kzv and other topic teachers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.1960 the reputation of not only the participants of the subscription company Minter, but also of the project as a whole is discredited. I will not tolerate such an attitude towards myself, therefore I ask you for help, please remove my unreasonably painted trust and apply retaliatory measures against these participants by applying sanctions on the forum.

Can you help me to solve this problem?

If you are worried about your reputation, about the credibility of the projects you support, and you do not "tolerate" that someone tag you as a shitposter, why did you shitpost in the first place?

It is clear to everyone that you have a very low post quality. You received only 10 merit and you are bothering other users with your shitposts, just as kzv said. You are making difficult for real members to communicate because you are jsut spamming around without reading anything or writing anything meaningful.

Do you want an advice? Change your atitude. Read before writing. Put some effort in your posts. Give a time from bounties.
Tell this to kzv "I will improve my post quality and I will PM you again in 30 days". In 30 days ask him to check your post history. If you become a real member, that read and write like a legit user (not some spammer/bot or whatever you do), then he will probably remove your tag.

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If you are worried about your reputation, about the credibility of the projects you support, and you do not "tolerate" that someone tag you as a shitposter, why did you shitpost in the first place?

It is clear to everyone that you have a very low post quality. You received only 10 merit and you are bothering other users with your shitposts, just as kzv said. You are making difficult for real members to communicate because you are jsut spamming around without reading anything or writing anything meaningful.

Do you want an advice? Change your atitude. Read before writing. Put some effort in your posts. Give a time from bounties.
Tell this to kzv "I will improve my post quality and I will PM you again in 30 days". In 30 days ask him to check your post history. If you become a real member, that read and write like a legit user (not some spammer/bot or whatever you do), then he will probably remove your tag.

A person using his reputation, mischievously behaves towards other members of the forum, not hiding contempt for members of the forum subscribed Minter company.

[kzv]

I have already explained

You see, if your goal was communication, then you would communicate.
But all you write is single posts in different sections and topics without any continued participation in communication. This is 100% identified as meaningless posting - spam.

Spam is a subjective opinion. My opinion may not coincide with the opinion of moderators. I can change my mind if you follow the advice above

[The Cryptovator]

Spam is a subjective opinion. My opinion may not coincide with the opinion of moderators. I can change my mind if you follow the advice above

This is not DT subject at all, DT should not just tag someone based on his opinion. There should be appropriate reason for tag. And spam isn't appropriate for tag someone. Moderators function and DT functions are not same. So it doesn't matter what is on your mind, you should report on meta if there is huge spam. And forum admin doesn't like to moderate spam by trust system.

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

In particular, in my view:
 - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.

[bob123]

@kzv

Why exactly do you think that trading with him is high-risk based on the quality of his posts ?

If you see a spam post, report it to the moderators. Trust ratings are not meant to label someone a 'shitposter'.
This is clear abuse of the trust system.

Please be honest to yourself and remove this erroneously left feedback. There is enough drama on this forum already, do we really need another one ?

[kzv]

may be my English not very well, but I think that ' annoying poster' is not equivalent for the 'spam poster'
I think that ' annoying' is a thing for me only or may by some one else...
But 'spam', especially in bounty, is the destructive for many users and spammer do it for money. So imho that monetary relations is a trast relating case
And thank you for advise about Meta. I will report there about 'minter' bounty where indulge for spammers


sorry for my English

[bob123]

may be my English not very well, but I think that ' annoying poster' is not equivalent for the 'spam poster'
I think that ' annoying' is a thing for me only or may by some one else...
But 'spam' is the destructive for many users and spammer do it for money. So imho that monetary relations is a trast relating case

sorry for my English

This still does not justify why you think that trading with him is high-risk. That's basically what you are saying with your feedback.

Is there any reason why you believe that other users should not trade with him because it is risky ?
If not, be fair and either delete it, or change it to neutral ("other comments").

[kzv]

may be my English not very well, but I think that ' annoying poster' is not equivalent for the 'spam poster'
I think that ' annoying' is a thing for me only or may by some one else...
But 'spam' is the destructive for many users and spammer do it for money. So imho that monetary relations is a trast relating case

sorry for my English

This still does not justify why you think that trading with him is high-risk. That's basically what you are saying with your feedback.

Is there any reason why you believe that other users should not trade with him because it is risky ?
If not, be fair and either delete it, or change it to neutral ("other comments").

Yes Bob. I believe that   other users should not trade with him.
Because business of this user is SPAM.
Dealing with spammers is a hight risk business.

[bob123]

Yes Bob. I believe that   other users should not trade with him.
Because business of this user is SPAM.
Dealing with spammers is a hight risk business.

Do you have any evidence that this user is receiving money for 'spamming' ?

[profilink]

The user kzv is trying to mislead you.
If you allow me, I will cite the facts (translate the messages), actually they are in the screenshots in the subject, but in Russian, and you do not understand.
I rely only on facts, during my stay on the forum since 2014, I had no problems.
I am ready to prove and clear my reputation, due to the unreasonable red reputation of the user kzv - he had no right to do this, maximum report to the moderator.

Please return to the problem described in the topic and help solve it.

Do you have any evidence that this user is receiving money for 'spamming' ?

The user has an exclusively personal hostility to the project, whose signature I wear. But why should I suffer because of this and get a “-” in reputation with threats to paint the reputation of all members of the forum involved in the subscription company of the Minter project?

[Little Mouse]

Yes Bob. I believe that   other users should not trade with him.
Because business of this user is SPAM.
Dealing with spammers is a hight risk business.

Do you have any evidence that this user is receiving money for 'spamming' ?

May be kzv meant the user is spamming/posting to complete his signature post requirements. That's why he has given a negative trust but I think it is not a good habit to negative tag user for spam post.
User can report spammers. Russian boards have active moderator as well, he can take step deleting posts.

[profilink]

The reason is different, I translate the comment of kzv and other users from the screenshot:



kzv

1. Something got me posters with the signature minter. I decided to paint BOMG as the leader of this gang ((
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2. This is our way!
    Insolent, I agree.

Inspector Deck

3. I think that in the future all the participants who bear the signature of this project will be painted.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

In my opinion giving red trust for this sorts of reason is too harsh.

It is indeed too harsh.  A neutral would have sufficed here--people stopped giving red trust for shitposting around January 2018 when the merit system was implemented. 

If you see a spam post, report it to the moderators. Trust ratings are not meant to label someone a 'shitposter'.
This is clear abuse of the trust system.

I agree.  The trust system has changed dramatically since the merit system was started, and there's no reason to neg anyone for shitposting anymore.  It used to be that this was the only way to deter shitposters, but nowadays they're basically unable to earn merits and thus rank up and thus earn more in sig campaigns.  This dude should either delete the neg or change it to neutral.

[LoyceV]

Spam should be handle by forum itself, not by DT members.

Correct. From what I've seen, theymos disagrees with tagging spammers. Report the posts, let Mods handle it.

I can't read the posts, and kzv is probably correct that it's spam. However, being on DT means you should make your feedback as accurate as possible, and tagging a spammer as if he's a scammer dilutes the value of red feedback on actual scammers.

Join our SpamBuster CLUB, report all his posts, and get him banned. But don't use DT-powers for non-trust issues.

[kzv]

Join our SpamBuster CLUB, report all his posts, and get him banned. But don't use DT-powers for non-trust issues.

Thank you for that link. I have replaced tag from negative to neutral and have reported about user in that topic.
profilink I did not want you get banned but hoped that when you saw the negative feedback then you recognize your mistake and gradually become a full member of the community. Sorry it turned out differently.