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September 17, 2019, 04:06:20 PM
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I heard this conspiracy (or may be true) that if a user has issue with other user or if a user wants another user to be penalized then they target the user and reports their posts as many as they can. If they failed to report recent posts they even go long way back and try to find posts which have few chances to be reported as spam or off-topic or things like that so that the reported posts get deleted frequently with the hope that the user get some punishment most probably a ban or something.

This is what I am suspecting in my case :-P

Please check the deleted posts below. If I am not wrong then someone obviously going long way back (even in 2014 LOL) and reporting the posts from my post history. I do not blame mods because I know they are loaded with job and in pressure to complete their daily tasks. May be they did not pay much attention to the posts to check if they were off topic/spam.

I am not complaining here however I am curious to know the reasoning from the reporter :-D  Is it possible?



I also have this topic to discuss here.
Should someone go all the way back to 2014 (5 years old) and report a post? Is this something to concern at all?
 
Reporting a post much more make sense if it's recent (one day or two days or let's say a week or may be a month old).

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September 17, 2019, 04:09:40 PM
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As long as it's something like forgotten bumps and not plagiarism, I don't think you have to worry about getting banned for those old posts.

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September 17, 2019, 04:13:28 PM
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As long as it's something like forgotten bumps and not plagiarism, I don't think you have to worry about getting banned for those old posts.
Nah! they are not bumps or plagiarism. I give you the oldest one as reference,

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September 17, 2019, 04:22:01 PM
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If I recall then it was a sarcastic response.

It's kind of a shitpost but you won't get banned for that.

There is also a possibility that sometimes your post gets deleted because a post you replied to got deleted (the whole tree of quotes is removed).

Having said that, going back to 2014 to report low-value posts seems a bit pointless. There is enough shitposting within the last year or two to keep an army of reporters and moderators busy.

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September 17, 2019, 04:31:00 PM
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It's kind of a shitpost but you won't get banned for that.
I still do similar type of sarcastic shitposts :-P
My concern was having 5 posts deleted in a single day, if I regularly get this number (more or less) then it may harm a user.

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There is also a possibility that sometimes your post gets deleted because a post you replied to got deleted (the whole tree of quotes is removed).
I am very well aware about it. Again not complaining at all.

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Having said that, going back to 2014 to report low-value posts seems a bit pointless.
May be mod can do something about it. Leaving unhandled will discourage the reporter not to repeat the same. Thoughts?

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There is enough shitposting within the last year or two to keep an army of reporters and moderators busy.
Everyday I see tons LOL
I am just not comfortable in reporting or I could make a good number in reporting :-P

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September 17, 2019, 04:35:58 PM
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Tons of accounts were just banned recently for plagiarism found in very old posts so their is definitely precedent. Accounts getting banned from old posts linking adresses to prove ban evasion are also frequent..
Also as you mentioned, if you piss someone off sometimes they will dig your post history for any dirt they can find to use against you..
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21 What happens next? someone goes and reports every single short post 2 words or whatever in CH entire history LOL
It happens.. It's probably happened to me too..

It seems to me that the general community considers this sort of post digging to be fair game so keep that in mind..
Did you piss off anyone good recently? About how many old posts did you have deleted total?
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September 17, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
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Did you piss off anyone good recently?
The only guy I can think of is THE game-protect LOL but I am not accusing him without having any evidence. I know he has allergy against me :-P

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About ow many old posts did you have deleted?
These five and all was yesterday.

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September 17, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
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May be mod can do something about it. Leaving unhandled will discourage the reporter not to repeat the same. Thoughts?

If mods are not too busy perhaps it's not a big deal to handle those old reports although I do remember hilarious mentioning a few times that a flood of low-value post reports interferes with the handling of more urgent ones.

Tons of accounts were just banned recently for plagiarism found in very old posts so their is definitely precedent.
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It seems to me that the general community considers this sort of post digging to be fair game so keep that in mind..

I would consider reporting old plagiarism fair game (or malware etc but those are typically handled contemporaneously). Old shitposts is kinda a waste of time for everyone involved.

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September 17, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
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A conspiracy is all this is. You're not going to be banned for having a handful of posts deleted and it's likely nobody has it in for you and is just reporting random old bumps or unsubstantial posts of yours. You have a few in the queue reported as unsubstantial so that's probably why.

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September 17, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
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I can confirm. I have also been targeted this way heavily in the past, and banned as a result. Of course the reports I made were almost completely ignored.  More recently this hasn't been an issue, but a very large percentage of my reports still stay permanently unhandled.


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September 17, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
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If mods are not too busy perhaps it's not a big deal to handle those old reports although I do remember hilarious mentioning a few times that a flood of low-value post reports interferes with the handling of more urgent ones.
I am all for deleting a post that is containing malware or risky contents even if it was the very very old post but for plagiarism, or any other soft offense like shit post (my case technically it's was a sarcastic posts) and stuffs those are from five years back or even a year back - I will say keep them unhandled to discourage the reporters.

Sometime reporters finds this motivation that by reporting and increasing their good report number they may find some benefit in future like forum mod hence they keep looking for reasons to report a post where the post can be fit as genuine one in the topic. By the way, this is how I am thinking - the reality could be totally different and I could be very wrong.

A conspiracy is all this is. You're not going to be banned for having a handful of posts deleted and it's likely nobody has it in for you and is just reporting random old bumps or unsubstantial posts of yours. You have a few in the queue reported as unsubstantial so that's probably why.
Good to have your voice here bud and learning about the unhandled reports. May I know the reasons given for the posts, obviously if it's possible by the moderation rule. It's just a curiosity.

And what is your view about handling reported posts back from long ago except it has malware or harmful contents and risky for the users?

I can confirm. I have also been targeted this way heavily in the past, and banned as a result. Of course the reports I made were almost completely ignored.  More recently this hasn't been an issue, but a very large percentage of my reports still stay permanently unhandled.
I think the blame goes to the reporter for taking such unethical advantages of reporting option. If mod can spot such actions then they can warn those users not to abuse it.

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Sometime reporters finds this motivation that by reporting and increasing their good report number they may find some benefit in future like forum mod hence they keep looking for reasons to report a post where the post can be fit as genuine one in the topic. By the way, this is how I am thinking - the reality could be totally different and I could be very wrong.

I can't vouch for every individual reporter but I think you're wrong. Recently theymos is doing more stuff via software (like the merit system or the bumping change) to control spam, rather than throwing more moderators at it, so I don't think that potential career path is much of a motivation for reporting.

Badges might motivate some users, which could be a good thing if they ever get implemented. One wouldn't get a badge for bad reports anyway and there is no lack of actual shitposts, so I doubt there would be too much of an issue with people reporting something they shouldn't. But we do need more reporters, even they report just a few posts... more coverage in every corner of the forum.

Everyday I see tons LOL
I am just not comfortable in reporting or I could make a good number in reporting :-P

Case in point... just hit "Report to moderator" when you see garbage, what's the worst that can happen Smiley

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I'm more surprised someone would waste their time to read 3K+ of your posts to find and report posts which violate forum rules.
I seen a thread where a spammer isn't banned after 100 of his/her posts are removed in short time, so i wouldn't worry about this problem if i were you.

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September 17, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
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Should someone go all the way back to 2014 (5 years old) and report a post? Is this something to concern at all?
I wouldn't report a post that was that old, even if it was the worst shitpost in the world.  If it made it that long without getting deleted, it's probably best just to leave it alone--not to mention that old posts lose their relevance as time goes on.

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, it's certainly possible that someone could be reporting a lot of your posts out of spite.  I would think that a moderator would catch this, especially if the majority of reports are bad--and if that's the case, the result shouldn't end with posts getting nuked.

I'm more surprised someone would waste their time to read 3K+ of your posts to find and report posts which violate forum rules.
Have you seen how much time and effort members like cryptohunter (and all of his alts) put into ranting & raving?  If so, it shouldn't surprise you that a member or members would take the time to sift through someone's posts looking for ones to report.  Now I'm not saying that CH is involved in this, but you get my point.  There are a lot of anal retentive, OCD-type members on this forum who spend a lot of time researching things and whatnot.

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I'm more surprised someone would waste their time to read 3K+ of your posts to find and report posts which violate forum rules.
I seen a thread where a spammer isn't banned after 100 of his/her posts are removed in short time, so i wouldn't worry about this problem if i were you.
That's why I feel this is more of a coincidence rather than someone or group of persons conspiring against you or others.
A user could come across one of your posts that he feels should be removed and then go ahead to search for more and maybe find a whole lot and end up reporting them.
But I doubt that a user would simply just single out another user and make it a habit of reporting their posts,(except it's posts from a renowned spammer or troll),due to conspiracy or any other alike theory,

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Mods review each reported post one by one and the delete it on a case to case basis, the only way you will get banned if the post reported from you is plagiarized. You piling up deleted post on your end won't be something bad as there is no strike system I have heard of that once you hit this certain number of deleted post then you will get banned from the forum, there is no unwritten rule about that. The mods will also see that the post being deleted on your account are old posts and which in 2016 I think you are still a newbie and mods are aware that most high ranking members now have improved on the quality on how they post as compared to the days when they are just a newbie. It's similar on some successfully appealed permaban users get their appeals approved since the plagiarized post they made was posted when they were just newbies.

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Yeah, I deleted a few of your replies because I agreed that they were unsubstantial. Not sure if I handled all of them or only some of them. However, some of your replies were deleted because they quoted replies which were unsubstantial too. Its not too big of an issue, and sometimes we do get reports on old reports. Unless, its a serious offense you're normally alright. I do often wonder how users report messages from a few years ago when the topic hasn't been active since then. However, it the grand scheme of things its not likely to go against you.

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It's similar on some successfully appealed permaban users get their appeals approved since the plagiarized post they made was posted when they were just newbies.

I don't think any appeal has been approved if the plagiarism has been already proven. Moderators are very strict on plagiarism. Even if a user has plagiarized some years ago, the ban will be permanent and the appeal won't be accepted.

  • Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

 
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September 17, 2019, 09:41:27 PM
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I don't think any appeal has been approved if the plagiarism has been already proven. Moderators are very strict on plagiarism. Even if a user has plagiarized some years ago, the ban will be permanent and the appeal won't be accepted.

There have been some successful appeals, mostly replacing a permanent ban with a temp ban + signature ban if the user was considered a positive contributor to the forum.

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September 17, 2019, 10:15:24 PM
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..., if I regularly get this number (more or less) then it may harm a user.
Why it would be a harm for a user?
Can't see anything valid to be considered as harmful.

Anyways, back when I was eager to reach the 300 Good Reports, I was also doing that kind of reports, in our local their are much threads that has been long gone (left blank) and with that I was able to reach my good number of reports. Though it was just to clean our board, so I can't seem to find any reasons on why it should be staying on that place especially if it doesn't have any important info to be used.

So more likely if you'll gonna end up continuously receiving those messages because of your deleted posts I think there's nothing to be worried about.

I wouldn't report a post that was that old, even if it was the worst shitpost in the world.  If it made it that long without getting deleted, it's probably best just to leave it alone--not to mention that old posts lose their relevance as time goes on.
When cleaning a Board/Section, old posts such that will be likely be on the lists that has to be deleted. Besides blank threads shouldn't stay IMO.

they were unsubstantial. . .
There you have it @Royse777, nothing can seems to be harmful unless it was a major offense against the rules.




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