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September 21, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
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There's a common occurrence recently within altcoin discussions, there's a flood of individuals posting links and promoting their news/blogs. While the content is generally good, this generally does not yield authentic and "good" quality threads.

Occasionally, there are links to malware and malicious sites as well, which i frequently report.


Ban Jr members and lower ranks from posting links in Bitcointalk. A lesser severe ban would be in specifically altcoin sections, which will follow the rules of competing forum sites as well.

This problem has always been somewhat persistent, but has increasingly been a problem occurring within the last few months.

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I was just reading the rules to see if a user's posts mainly promoting a certain website can be reported as spam. This user for example creates topics but never responded to replies at all. I'm almost certain that he/she gets paid for posting that website.

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September 21, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
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There's a common occurrence recently within altcoin discussions, there's a flood of individuals posting links and promoting their news/blogs. While the content is generally good, this generally does not yield authentic and "good" quality threads.

Occasionally, there are links to malware and malicious sites as well, which i frequently report.


Ban Jr members and lower ranks from posting links in Bitcointalk. A lesser severe ban would be in specifically altcoin sections, which will follow the rules of competing forum sites as well.

This problem has always been somewhat persistent, but has increasingly been a problem occurring within the last few months.
And who you think you are? Thats the mistake about some of the so called high ranking Bitcointalk forum users they think that they own the forum by suggesting nonsense like banning jr accounts and below its a form of bullying I see most of your post about scam and negativity just look at the mirror and see yourself after all its all about money like you do! We are just only a forum user dont act like you own the forum we are all equal here wether your a newbie or a whatever.

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Generally, we look at the primary purpose of the thread, and then make a decision on it from there. If the content is relevant, the thread hasn't been posted for the sole purpose of advertising, and the post is substantial enough on its own without redirecting to an external source then its usually okay. If the thread has been posted for the sole purpose of advertising, and the content is average its much more likely to get removed. If you have any doubts about a particular thread just report it, and the moderator dealing with it can make a decision at their discretion.


I'm okay with linking to news sources if you're looking for a discussion on it, however any threads which are copy, and pasting the title, and then linking to the source I usually remove for being low quality. However, if they're actively looking for a discussion or sharing their own views then its usually not a problem.

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September 21, 2019, 04:49:28 PM
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Reporting can remove a thread but I think it should be prevented. For a long time, I have been watching a thread with new domain each time, offer bonus for joining their gambling site and play roulette. This is a scam.
As per the rules, scam isn't moderated but here it's being. I have no problem with that. Why don't we try to prevent it? What tk808 said is possible. If newbie, jr get out of this privilege, it can be removed.

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September 21, 2019, 05:18:51 PM
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And who you think you are? Thats the mistake about some of the so called high ranking Bitcointalk forum users they think that they own the forum by suggesting nonsense like banning jr accounts and below its a form of bullying I see most of your post about scam and negativity just look at the mirror and see yourself after all its all about money like you do! We are just only a forum user dont act like you own the forum we are all equal here wether your a newbie or a whatever.

Buddy, the user you're trying to attack is quite good and way above average. He isn't your average high raked user you encounter everyday. I'm quite sure he meant no harm, in the short period of time I have observe the account, he has the interest of the alternative subsection at heart and just trying to improve the experience of users of the board. Just oppose his suggestion without making it personal.

@OP although what you have pointed out is quite obvious as any active user of the board can testify to them but this problem isn't just associated with the Altcoin discussion board. Other boards like bitcoin/trading discussion board do experience it sometime therefore the proposed banning of jnr (below) members isn't the best solution. Taking away the privilege of many just because of the offenses of few isn't right instead the offenders should be punished individually when caught.

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September 21, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
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I don't think a ban on links is feasible or desirable. There might be a baby in that bathwater. Just report the posts and make sure you clearly state in the report why you think the post is low value.

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September 21, 2019, 05:28:25 PM
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Ban Jr members and lower ranks from posting links in Bitcointalk. A lesser severe ban would be in specifically altcoin sections, which will follow the rules of competing forum sites as well.
If they cannot post links, how then would they be able to share important external information or messages that aren't their work without being banned for plagiarism.
I do not think theymos would ever implement the banning of Jr members or lower ranked members from posting links, you also know that higher ranked users also post such links you're complaining about.

The best solution is to continue reporting any low value post, and leave the final decisions with the moderators to decide if the post and the link is unnecessary and should be thrashed.

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September 21, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
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Generally, we look at the primary purpose of the thread, and then make a decision on it from there. If the content is relevant, the thread hasn't been posted for the sole purpose of advertising, and the post is substantial enough on its own without redirecting to an external source then its usually okay. If the thread has been posted for the sole purpose of advertising, and the content is average its much more likely to get removed. If you have any doubts about a particular thread just report it, and the moderator dealing with it can make a decision at their discretion.


I'm okay with linking to news sources if you're looking for a discussion on it, however any threads which are copy, and pasting the title, and then linking to the source I usually remove for being low quality. However, if they're actively looking for a discussion or sharing their own views then its usually not a problem.

I generally agree with this, I've been reluctant to report any posts other than malware linking. There's a lot of posts just copy and pasting over their opening paragraphs for any particular article, which often includes decent content and has some discussions around it, but as stated it's very prevalent in alt discussions these days.

The problem is that is reports will be purely subjective, not really understanding the intent of the user if they want discussions on BTT or just want extra traffic to their particular site. Hence why I haven't reported any of them and made this thread to begin with.


I wouldn't have brought this up if it weren't something that's becoming a noticeable problem to me, spending a couple hours each day in discussions occasionally interacting and often meriting discussions.


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September 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
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Copying a paragraph or two written by somebody else and posting it with a link to the original, without adding a single original thought or comment, is barely one step above plagiarism. It's the complete minimum effort that can be put in to a post whilst also avoiding being banned. Some people do this to boost their post count, but most do it to advertise either their own site or because they are being employed by the "news" site in question to advertise for them. They have no interest in discussion or contributing to the forum - they are only interested in clicks and page views.

I don't frequent the altcoin boards, but certainly in Bitcoin Discussion we see the same names popping up over and over and over. I simply report these posts for being low value spamming, and they are always marked as good. After the user in question has had a good number of posts deleted for the same behavior (particularly if this is the only type of post the user makes), then in my reports I also start to suggest a ban. It takes too long in my opinion to issue bans to these users, but they do get handed out eventually.

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September 21, 2019, 11:09:59 PM
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Copying and pasting a paragraph and putting a link (only to avoid banning or advertising a site) should be reported. As others said it's kind of spamming as the poster doesn't add anything. But there is no clear rule regarding this. I think it's better to make "copying and pasting news without adding a comment" illegal and add this to official rules of Bitcointalk.

 
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Yeah, if they're copying some of the contents from the original article, and not adding their own constructive ideas or thoughts then I would probably remove these the majority of the time. Every case is different, and I only really agree that its subjective when they've offered their views, but its still largely garbage or rehashed from the original source.

If they're posting just the link, and not offering anything on extension to the article they're linking then report it, and it'll likely be removed. For example, those that posts links to a article which is relevant to the section, and then ask "what are your thoughts", that's unsubstantial in my eyes, and I would likely remove this if removed. The way I see it is if it's relevant news, or a decent article there will other users who will be willing to contribute while linking to the article.

Copying and pasting a paragraph and putting a link (only to avoid banning or advertising a site) should be reported. As others said it's kind of spamming as the poster doesn't add anything. But there is no clear rule regarding this. I think it's better to make "copying and pasting news without adding a comment" illegal and add this to official rules of Bitcointalk.
It is already a rule. It fits under the low quality rule. There's a reason why the guidelines are exactly that guidelines if the rules were so specific then users would jump through loopholes to avoid getting banned etc.

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I think banning newbie for posting link would not proper solution. Sometimes newbies are making good and informative topics and post. So they should use few reference link if necessary. So if forum prevent them for posting link then perhaps we will miss some good articles and reference. I know there is few spammer who are posting links for promote their website or blogs. But you should realize "the intention of poster" and report such as post. I don't think it's very big deal since there is "Patrol" option. You might visit patrol occasionally to identify spammer/promoter.

Overall newbies are spending hard time after implementation of new merit require. Personally I don't want to see more restrictions for them. But we should encourage them to avoid spamming and make something good for forum.

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September 22, 2019, 04:35:07 AM
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it is not just Altcoin Discussion, it is all over the forum. i usually report them as "link advertisement". basically they create a random low quality website with click bait articles which they mostly copy from elsewhere. then come to bitcointalk and spam the links all over the forum to redirect traffic. i don't think restriction on links with ranks is enough though. banning the URL itself might be a better solution, at least in sever cases.

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October 02, 2019, 08:35:29 PM
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Check the post history of TillKoeln. I reported 10+ posts from him. All of them were marked as good. He is advertising his link in any thread. Is he allowed to do this?
In order to ban him from posting (temporary ban to warn him), in all of my reports I asked moderators to check other posts of the this user too. But only the posts that I had reported were deleted.
Should I report all of them one by one?

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October 02, 2019, 09:26:07 PM
 #16

I think banning newbie for posting link would not proper solution. Sometimes newbies are making good and informative topics and post. So they should use few reference link if necessary. So if forum prevent them for posting link then perhaps we will miss some good articles and reference. I know there is few spammer who are posting links for promote their website or blogs. But you should realize "the intention of poster" and report such as post. I don't think it's very big deal since there is "Patrol" option. You might visit patrol occasionally to identify spammer/promoter.

Overall newbies are spending hard time after implementation of new merit require. Personally I don't want to see more restrictions for them. But we should encourage them to avoid spamming and make something good for forum.

I think it's quite obvious that the link posted sometimes contain malware and infect the devices of unsuspecting users. A friend of mine fell for a scam just after clicking a link in the thread OP. It'll be hard but I think the mods have to do the needful before it gets out of hand. Even if you report, temp or permaban, they just have to create a new account and contifrom where they leftt off. If that's too harsh maybe tje restrictions should be placed on only newbie members and not junior members.




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