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September 29, 2019, 03:16:12 PM
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You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it.
That's standard for DT members to say that.  It means they're being reasonable with their feedback and are willing to change it if circumstances change.  As far as having a conversation with someone prior to leaving feedback, forget about it.  You can't count on anything coming from it, and a lot of times the only thing that will get scammers to do the right thing is if they have red trust--and that's never a guarantee.  You have to value your membership here to be affected by having negative trust.

This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later
You mean the wild west, I'm sure.  And the crypto community is very much like the wild west, since payments are irreversible and so many scammers are running around stealing money, work, and everything that isn't nailed to the floor.  Nobody goes to the authorities unless the scam is huge.  And being on DT is indeed a responsibility if you tag scammers.  In this case the evidence looked pretty good.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.
There's a case, but I'd agree it's not one for the courtroom.  Sucks that a project scammed translators like this, and the amounts don't seem to even be that large.  Idiots.

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October 02, 2019, 08:03:18 AM
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You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it.
That's standard for DT members to say that.  It means they're being reasonable with their feedback and are willing to change it if circumstances change.  As far as having a conversation with someone prior to leaving feedback, forget about it.  You can't count on anything coming from it, and a lot of times the only thing that will get scammers to do the right thing is if they have red trust--and that's never a guarantee.  You have to value your membership here to be affected by having negative trust.

This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later
You mean the wild west, I'm sure.  And the crypto community is very much like the wild west, since payments are irreversible and so many scammers are running around stealing money, work, and everything that isn't nailed to the floor.  Nobody goes to the authorities unless the scam is huge.  And being on DT is indeed a responsibility if you tag scammers.  In this case the evidence looked pretty good.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.
There's a case, but I'd agree it's not one for the courtroom.  Sucks that a project scammed translators like this, and the amounts don't seem to even be that large.  Idiots.

Cryptojiteam are really idiots, instead of paying everyone money (maximum 1,000$), they deceived everyone because they thought that no one would write anything about them.
But they were mistaken and the translators did not remain silent.
As a result of fraud, they lost many potential customers who were ready to work with them.
Now anyone who google their name to check will receive the data that they are cheating.
The presence of a red flag with support says that their business is over here.

We are surrounded by legends on this bitforum. Phenomenal successes and catastrophic failures guys. Then there are the scams.
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October 10, 2019, 11:55:32 AM
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Update:

Yesterday cryptoji contacted me, promised to make payments to all translators and close this topic and flag.
Let's see how the process goes, if all my debts are returned to me and other translators, then I will be ready to close this topic and the flag.

If there are translators who had problems, then write here or to his personal mail. Let's hope they solve this problem.

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October 10, 2019, 05:21:49 PM
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Update:

Yesterday cryptoji contacted me, promised to make payments to all translators and close this topic and flag.
Let's see how the process goes, if all my debts are returned to me and other translators, then I will be ready to close this topic and the flag.

If there are translators who had problems, then write here or to his personal mail. Let's hope they solve this problem.


Great news! Hope we receive the promised payments without making things ugly. Will remove my support for the flag once payment is received.

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October 11, 2019, 05:14:56 AM
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Good to see that he has decided to pay all the translators. And yeah, if he pays everyone, the flag can be dropped. I'll also drop him a PM.

@starkovblue Did he give you a date regarding when the payments will be made?
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October 11, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
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Good to see that he has decided to pay all the translators. And yeah, if he pays everyone, the flag can be dropped. I'll also drop him a PM.

@starkovblue Did he give you a date regarding when the payments will be made?

He did not give me exact dates, he just wrote that he was going to solve the problem so that we would close the flag. I will wait for details, communication is as in the days of writing with pigeons  Wink

We will wait until EVERYONE receive pays for work, and not to someone alone, and then we will remove the claim.

It’s still strange for me that the team doesn’t write here, this is a bad tone of communication, it would be faster if everything was here.

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October 11, 2019, 01:32:24 PM
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I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

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I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.
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October 15, 2019, 08:34:57 AM
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I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.

Given that there was no response from him, the comments are unnecessary.

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I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.

Given that there was no response from him, the comments are unnecessary.

That is the whole point of making the comment, because he is not making any public statements.
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I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

Regarding this.. i tried many times, and still the last message received from Cryptoji is from 7th sep, so 44 days ago.

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October 22, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
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all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

 

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.



Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.



We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)



Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

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Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies
Not paying translator is mere mistake than not engaging with them or avoiding them. You could have responded here long ago, it wouldn't cost much, I mean your reputation. Having conversation with the translator and promising them to pay soon isn't a good deal.

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October 24, 2019, 05:11:02 AM
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all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.

As you are the CEO of the translation, it would be better to hear it from you the real reason for the lack of communication with the translators once the work is completed rather than from another translator.

Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.
There wouldn't be a reputation thread, if you had just honestly answered  the private messages of the translators. The thread is result of ignoring and threatening the translators. Anyways, it's a good start that you have decided to pay the translators.

We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)

Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies
This was not the original agreement. Initially, I was told that the payment will be done on work approval in ETH by ChiNgad0r. So when I contacted you regarding the payments on finding my translation uploaded on the Epic Cash Website , you said that you'll be paying me and other translators in USDC on Sunday (15th September 2019). After which there has been no response from you until now. How long are you planning to feed fall hopes to your translators? Why don't you give an exact date by which we can receive the payment.

I can't speak on behalf of other translators but yeah I'm ok with receiving half of the payment before 31st October 2019 and the other half before 31st December 2019.
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October 24, 2019, 06:59:36 AM
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all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

 

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.



Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.



We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)



Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

I already thought you won’t write. Why did you wait so long to give your answer, although I wrote to you to give an answer here?   Huh

Once again, we had a payment agreement IMMEDIATELY after the translation completed.

And as soon as I completed it, you disappeared and did not answer.
And if I had not created this topic, then probably you would not have answered?

The fact that you agreed with SOMEONE about paying in December is your agreement with THEM.

With ME, the contract was for payment immediately after the work done(and this can be seen in the screenshots in the first message), and you did not fulfill it  Lips sealed

You have my eth address for translation, as well as the addresses of all those who completed the work but never received payment for it  Angry

You didn’t pay anyone, and that’s why the administration made the flags.

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October 24, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
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Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.


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Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.



I think choosing not to answer to translators is the reason of this thread. You could have answered to prevent such a thing from happening.
One month of silence, few posts on the main thread and then finally this thread. It's not like he suddenly decided to post it here.

Even right now, I asked you on telegram when can I expect to receive the first half of the money, and you didn't answer that too. I don't know why it's so hard to answer simple questions.
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October 24, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
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Another time , waiting for the solution to aproved by moderators ,,,

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Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.



I think choosing not to answer to translators is the reason of this thread. You could have answered to prevent such a thing from happening.
One month of silence, few posts on the main thread and then finally this thread. It's not like he suddenly decided to post it here.

Even right now, I asked you on telegram when can I expect to receive the first half of the money, and you didn't answer that too. I don't know why it's so hard to answer simple questions.

In our agreement with him were the payment dates, immediately after the completion of work.
The work was done perfectly, which means that payment was already due.
But almost two months passed and nothing happened.

I am ready to divide his payment into two parts, just like you, but only if escrow from this forum will be involved.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0

Too many agreements were not fulfilled that only escrow from the forum can guarantee the honest execution of all translations.
Let's wait for what the other translators will say who also paid nothing for doing work.

P.S- The fact that he finally came to open conversation on the forum is already pleasing.

Crypto is a very unique industry, where the line between "deserves to be in jail" and "leading member of the community" is as thin as one-ply toilet paper.
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October 25, 2019, 04:47:31 PM
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There is a differnet between "after work approved" and 'after completion" , I think it is obivious for everyone , you did not asked for more details and we were very cautions in choosing our words , we have received more than 10 scam translations only for the same whitepaper you worked on , how can you expect us to pay for something not approved by a native speaker , ? (I am not accusing your work quality here)

You can search for the legal meaning of word "approved",

Another time , for everyone who claim a scam , for the moderators they gave us Red flag , we are here to solve the problem,,,

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