Should a post be deleted from poor grammar?

[Jet Cash]

Shouldn't**

Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar (j/k of course)

The dropping of negatives seems to be an unfortunate Americanism. Phrases such as " I could care less", which are the opposite of the intended meaning, slow down reading as one has to interpret the phrase. Unfortunately, Grammarly tends to convert to US grammar and spelling, and this restricts the full use of the richness and subtlety of English.

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It’s pretty straight forward I figure: If the post is readable and makes sense without needing to re-read it multiple times and derive an interpretation, rather than understand its meaning then, I figure, it will not be deleted (at least not due to grammar). If on the other hand one needs to infer a possible interpretation out of a range of multiple variants due to grammar construction, then someone may report it as low quality and, if the mod/admin agrees, it may be deleted.

In any case, it is way better to argue on the matter by example, so simply providing cases of your friend’s deleted posts (he can perhaps find then in his drafts), or simply indicating his profile name (that would enable us to try to find those deleted posts), would help to analyze concrete cases rather than generically scenarios where the degree of grammar accuracy/inaccuracy is important to tangibilize.

[CherylltheBombshell]

For me its a huge factor for a quality post but as far as the post is connected with the original post , related and somehow understandable or constructive, it shouldn’t be deleted.  Just make sure that we try our best to hit the right grammar to avoid wasting our time posting wrong grammar. Try to waste time learning good grammar is a plus.

[Insanerman]

I am not a native English Speaker but I do try my best to learn English language to make my own post understandable. The only thing that every members here to consider is that they must know when and where to reply. The chances are, if they are forcing themselves to make such post in a section where their knowledge is limited just for the bounty reward, they will create a scammy/spammy post even if they are English nazi

Maybe this can help other members to learn English language! This post is from our local section and I think this can be a good reference for those people who are struggling.



 

[teosanru]

A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it.
If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think?

I think the problem is when your english becomes completely meaningless is when mods try to delete that post for poor grammar. We all know majority of people on the forum are Non-English native so you can't expect a fluent and grammatically accurate english.
I think the problem would have been with the post itself. It would have been a post with zero importance to this forum. Or it might have been a topic about which there was already a mega thread going on otherwise just faulty English doesn't calls for post deletions.

[Daniel91]

I'm also not a native English speaker but I'm not afraid to write anywhere in this forum and don't think to much about grammar.
I think that even native English speakers, very often, are not good in English grammar 
I know that some members from my local sections don't feel comfortable to write outside of our local forum because they don't feel confident to write in English.

[tbct_mt2]

I think the problem is when your english becomes completely meaningless is when mods try to delete that post for poor grammar. We all know majority of people on the forum are Non-English native so you can't expect a fluent and grammatically accurate english.

Trying to learn English, practice and double check before click on Post. Grammar is important, but it is not hard to learn and manage basic grammartical things to write understandable posts.

English is a fluid and forgiving language. Even on a pretty global forum like this, I only rarely see English so bad that I can't understand it at all. As long as you actually have some ideas to express, you should be fine. You should keep in mind that poor English is more difficult to read, though, so if you know that your English is imperfect, it'd be courteous to keep your text to-the-point, and to do some extra checking to minimize errors as much as possible. (I do the same when writing imperfectly in my second languages.)

I think the problem would have been with the post itself. It would have been a post with zero importance to this forum. Or it might have been a topic about which there was already a mega thread going on otherwise just faulty English doesn't calls for post deletions.

The forum born and actively run so far as a place for idea discussions, and everyone have their rights to deeply think of creative ideas. Then, if they have creative idea, they can bring it to the forum to discuss for help, for expand more, for business services, whatever. Idea is most important component of a good post.

This forum exists to provide a platform for the free (but ordered) exchange of ideas. If you have an idea to express, then it is probably possible to do it here as long as you follow the rules.

[leowonderful]

The formatting of a post can be more important than the grammar as well. I often see people quoting long strings of other quotes that makes a page of a thread and a post extremely long and difficult to read, though the solution to this is relatively simple. Just delete any of the other quotes that you're not directly responding to or aren't as important to what you're talking about. Makes things much easier to read on here, and it makes you look like a better poster too.

[Welsh]

The formatting of a post can be more important than the grammar as well. I often see people quoting long strings of other quotes that makes a page of a thread and a post extremely long and difficult to read, though the solution to this is relatively simple. Just delete any of the other quotes that you're not directly responding to or aren't as important to what you're talking about. Makes things much easier to read on here, and it makes you look like a better poster too.

This is forum etiquette, and makes the forum cleaner. Staff members only tend to delete posts when they've quoted to an obscene level, and even then they're far more likely to edit the quotes out rather than outright deleting the reply. Moderators only edit replies when removing excessive usage of quotes (otherwise known as quote pyramids) or for merging double posts together.

Onto the issue with grammar, unless its inconceivable garbage its likely not going to be removed. You could speak in "leet speak" if you wanted, and it would likely not be removed. Although, please don't because I'm pretty sure the majority of the forum would not appreciate that.   

[tbct_mt2]

This is forum etiquette, and makes the forum cleaner. Staff members only tend to delete posts when they've quoted to an obscene level, and even then they're far more likely to edit the quotes out rather than outright deleting the reply. Moderators only edit replies when removing excessive usage of quotes (otherwise known as quote pyramids) or for merging double posts together.

Onto the issue with grammar, unless its inconceivable garbage its likely not going to be removed. You could speak in "leet speak" if you wanted, and it would likely not be removed. Although, please don't because I'm pretty sure the majority of the forum would not appreciate that.  

There are only two types of pyramid posters:

- Newbies: who don't read rules and guides and don't know how to quote and edit their quotes. I also experienced it, did not know how to edit my quote. Fortunately, I joined Meta and see decent posts from users (that I knew they are very good posters, months later). I see their posts are very neaty, with or without quotes. Then I clicked quote button to quote their posts and see how they do that. I learned from them and made my topic below.
Honestly, I did not know how to use hr line to separate answers to different users if my posts are multi-replying to others' posts.

- Old users: who know how to edit their quotes to avoid pyramid quotes, but they are too lazy to do it. They are mostly shitposters.
By the way, I have my topic: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)

[sujonali1819]

In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day.

[Welsh]

In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day.

Hardly anyone reports a post just because of grammar, and even if they did, and the sole reason for the report was due to having a few misspellings then it would likely be marked as bad. Lets not confuse low quality posts with poor grammar. They're different, despite most low quality posts having poor grammar the majority of the time.

Ideally, in the perfect world everyone would post in the appropriate sections of the forum when opening a new thread, however we definitely don't live in a perfect world, and I'll admit it can sometimes be difficult to decide where to put it when you haven't been a user of the forum for a number of years. Its not too much of an issue if you do post in the wrong section. Just don't make it a habit of purposely posting in the wrong section. We moderators like to sip on tea, and have breaks every once in a while.

[finaleshot2016]

In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing. I am not an English person and I have been in trouble for some time too. I may have occasionally made some grammar mistakes so some of my posts were deleted a few days ago. So, when you see that a lot of posts have been deleted once, I think that someone has reported your "low grammar with meaningless" posts or that the moderator checks all your posts that day.

I think it's considered as language barrier if your friend's post is on point and make sense but not well-made in English. If the idea are trash and useless, then it's right to delete those, nothing wrong with that. I know a lot of people who try their best to speak in international language so they can discuss with each other, it's a challenge we should encounter.

Yes, the grammar is important but the idea speaks louder than it, lol. There's a lot of grammar nazi here but hoping you guys remember that this is an international forum. Even you poor at English, we still appreciate the idea or point of the statement and eventually, you'll grow by trying.

Think on our side, what will we do if we lack knowledge of English grammar but still wanted to engage in any discussion?
@OP, So it means you have to fix the way how your friend post here because it will be continuously get deleted. It's also recommended to show some samples of the post so people can judge if it's right or wrong, don't be afraid, they'll just give critics and it's way better to be corrected by a pro.

[samputin]

In my opinion, the grammar of a language is very important in order to convey that language beautifully. Also, posting with good quality and in the appropriate place also a good thing.

Grammar plays an important role in a post but I think the substance and relevance is what matters most. Mods know better and have deeper reason for deleting a post and not depending on grammar alone.

I know, many of us here are from countries where English is not the native language so we cannot blame them for having poor grammar construction. But, that is not an excuse to keep oneself from improvement. Besides, there are already tools online which allows us to check our grammars. We should make use of that kind of technology and be always open to make ourselves better.

[tbct_mt2]

Grammar plays an important role in a post but I think the substance and relevance is what matters most. Mods know better and have deeper reason for deleting a post and not depending on grammar alone.

Seriously English-broken posts deserve delete by moderators because no one have ability to understand such terrible ones.

I know, many of us here are from countries where English is not the native language so we cannot blame them for having poor grammar construction. But, that is not an excuse to keep oneself from improvement. Besides, there are already tools online which allows us to check our grammars. We should make use of that kind of technology and be always open to make ourselves better.

There is no one blame posters for their English-broken posts. In contrast, posters themselves might not blame on their bad English grammar knowledge. They have to learn and improve their grammar first before thinking of making posts in English boards. Nowadays there are many sources to learn English, for free, from websites to Youtube channels or free courses on Coursera, Tedx, Mooc, and so on.
I have my collection on some good books to learn English, in vocabularies and grammar.
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills

[libert19]

I get my couple posts deleted every week, my grammar is not perfect but it's clear enough to be understood by the reader.

Your friend's assumption that posts were deleted because of poor grammar — doesn't seem correct.

[Daniel91]

I get my couple posts deleted every week, my grammar is not perfect but it's clear enough to be understood by the reader.

Your friend's assumption that posts were deleted because of poor grammar — doesn't seem correct.

I'm also not native English speaker and sometimes my posts are deleted.
I don't think admins delete my posts because of poor grammar but probably because of offtopic.
I have feeling that admins and mods ussually tolerate even post with many grammar errors if meaning of the post is clear. 

[Lafu]

Im also not a native english speaker and for sure sometimes there are some gramma fails in the posts like i write isnt as normal it should isn't! But i try to write and explain the things how i think! Anyway as long that the message you want to say is understandable and nearly good written its not a reason to get posts deleted.

Most Post get deleted :
-spam
-off topic
-Pump spam
-maybe Personal attack
And few other things

But i never got an Post deleted because of gramma!

[sandy-is-fine]

If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar.  Just sayin' !   

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If posts don't get deleted for OBVIOUS BLATANT SCAMMING they certainly should not be deleted for grammar.  Just sayin' !   

Lol, you have a point there--but that's one of the idiosyncrasies of the priorities of the forum rules.  I couldn't tell you why the forum doesn't ban scammers and prohibit scams, but that's the way it is.  That said, spamming and shitposting are definite problems here, and I think that low-value posts made in extremely broken English should be deleted. 

The "low-value" part of that is key, because as I said before there are members whose native language isn't English, and yet they make valuable contributions.  Whether a post is nuked or not shouldn't just depend on the quality of language but its overall value. 

And yeah, I've always thought that scammers should be banned, but that's a debate for another thread.  Actually it isn't, since Theymos isn't going to budge on it.