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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house edge! We choose to leave the house edge out because we believe there should be no need to gain from gambling. After all we fund this site from our own pockets. We also strongly believe in anonymity so we do not apply KYC or collect any data besides your email (which doesnít need confirmation). After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. In the future we will be adding more games and a more friendly UI but for now we try to focus on what is important. Itís a Player vs Player system and the winner takes all, without any house edge or fees. Make sure you check it out even if you are not a gambler! We truly appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf =)    

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Why did we build this?

We are not someone special or well know online, we are not bank-made like some people suggested.
During the last past years we saw a lot of people around us losing a lot of money due to their gambling addiction, at first we tried to tell them just quit it, the house always wins. But they wouldn't listen due to the fact they already lost so much money, the wanted to win it back. After a while we figured that we couldn't help those people, what they really needed was proper addiction treatment. Yes many developed countries are offering that but still they wouldn't go. We figured out that for us it was impossible to have an impact on the betting problem, the fact we hated the most is that there are a lot of big corporations and casinos that are profiting and abusing this problem. Even the gambling authorities and offshore licensing companies are profiting from it. In some countries only the government is allowed to exploit gambling addiction.. It almost seems like they are a big mob who don't want any changes in their industry.

So we thought if we are not able to stop people from gambling, we could at least try to give them a better chance of winning! We are willing to spend our time and resources to realize this project and we will do our best to so. Our vision is to make sure no one can profit from the fact that gamblers have the urge to gamble. We know we are trying to move mountains and seas, and there is still a long way to go. However, we are very motivated to make this work and maybe, just maybe let some gamblers save a little money on not losing it to a house edge. Besides that it's player vs player, so all cash flows stay within the betting community, an individual might lose some but that makes someone else happy.

We know it sounds crazy a non-profit casino, and we understand you might have some concerns. Because of that we would like to be as open as possible and work side by side with the betting community. We will answer all project related questions.
We are currently financial stable enough to maintain the website, we do have the option for donations if anyone would like to help us out. But we will never ask for your money.


How our RNG is provably fair

Due to many concerns about the fact that; we(as the site owner) could play against the users while knowing the clientseed of the user that created a bet. We came up with a new way to give our bets 100% provably fair RNG. The new way will go as followed: Both players need to be online and in the same lobby, when both players are in the same lobby they create a clientseed in their browser. The hashed version of these clientseeds will be sent to the server. We will reveal your hashed version to the other player, and also the other way around. Make sure you copy your opponent's hashed clientseed, so you are able to check it after the bet has been played. When both players click 'confirm', both players will send their plain-text clientseed to the server at the same time.

In case something went wrong or someone tries to alter their clientseed in their browser after sending the hashed version of it, we will reject their clientseed. The person whose clientseed was wrong or is missing, still has the option to submit their clientseed within 48 hours and get the bet result. To make the system safe, the player whoís clientseed was correct has the option to either cancel the bet and refund the bet amount to both players, or to wait 48 hours and get all the funds without a result(but only if the other users didnít submit their clientseed before 48 hours). This makes our system 100% safe. The only downside is that both players have to be online and in the exact same lobby. Due to that we will also offer our old system for those who believe that we won't use the outcome against them. And don't feel like waiting all day until someone joins them because we currently do not have that much users yet.


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September 24, 2019, 07:22:11 PM
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No need to put up spaces when mentioning a website unless if its referral link then its prohibited.
Checking the site- Design is way too simple and checking on what game being offered its a pvp heads and tails game which isnt really that attractive here on crypto market
but since you are still on beta its better to add up some games which on demand into this market.

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September 24, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
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No need to put up spaces when mentioning a website unless if its referral link then its prohibited.
Checking the site- Design is way too simple and checking on what game being offered its a pvp heads and tails game which isnt really that attractive here on crypto market
but since you are still on beta its better to add up some games which on demand into this market.

Thank you for your feedback! We are currently working on improving our RNG system. After that we want to add dice games with 1-6 players, poker and sports-bets etc.

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September 24, 2019, 11:08:42 PM
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If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?

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September 24, 2019, 11:16:36 PM
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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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How can we assure that you have a zero house endge? Where you can get profit if you put your house endge into zero?
Upon visiting your website its look simple theres a lot of online casino with a lot of good features its better to make a good marketing strategy to bring more customer.

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September 24, 2019, 11:57:03 PM
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What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

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September 25, 2019, 03:01:38 AM
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I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.
I'm quite confused right now because upon reading the website it's a PvP type of game. The most plausible way to have their profit if they give an advantage to your opponent and that said opponent is a player from the house. Right now there are a few people using the site so they need to use somebody to play in the site because they "do not support a bot-api." Even without a bot, you could decide on where you would give the win (generating a win to the favorable side) then profit from it.

That's just my take on the situation. No other way they could profit, no affiliates, ads, etc. Great initiative though.

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No need to hurry in launching your gambling site, it needs more feature games that can lure gamblers to visit. Yet, the design is too simple and it is not attractive to gambler enthusiasts for sure. Because in P2P gambling platform need more players unless if you had using bot as their opponent. The suggestion above of mine is good to follow, having an affiliate program will help your gambling site more progressive.

 
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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

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We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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May I please ask, how do you plan to earn revenue? If there is no house edge, how do you pay for the hosting or other stuffs? Or is it just during the beta period? The concern that Darkstar raised, is very valid and that's the first thing came to my mind just after reading the announcement thread!

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Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?
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It seems the OP has been busy to work on his site because he is come back and give more information related to his website. I visited on the site, and I look that the design is too simple and there is no advertisement or any catchy image. I think the OP should add an image on the site so people will have an interest and they will stay for a long time. As others said, I wonder how he can make a profit if he applies no house edge? In the FAQ section, I think he needs to explain about deposit and withdraw, and I hope he doesn't use KYC for the members.

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Nop... This site is far from being a beta. I think a lot of work has not been done here. The design is very dry , the forum too has to be colourful to attract discussion because colour is attracting to gamblers. Maybe, it wasn't suppose to be posted yet until it is at least 90% ready which will get visitors to be expecting a completion in their minds. Anyway, wish you well as you put the works in order.

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We appreciate all feedback and suggestions.
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?
^ These are the fact that I want also to know but OP I think is very busy right now, did not online from the time he posted this thread. Upon looking at the site, all replies above were right. Very poor website and how could be impossible to get revenue if there is no house edge, it means it is only third party gambling site that has a feature of P2P? Let us just wait for the update by the OP.

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September 25, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
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If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.

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September 25, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
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Zero house edge means you have to find a different way to make profit other than just hoping that gamblers lose at your casino! Of course, this usually happens anyway but you will get smart gamblers who make the most of 0 edge,,, especially when it comes to promotions (which is usually +EV anyway during promos even with house edge).

Only heads or tails, so this is PvP? That means site takes nothing for 0 house edge?

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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How can we assure that you have a zero house endge? Where you can get profit if you put your house endge into zero?
Upon visiting your website its look simple theres a lot of online casino with a lot of good features its better to make a good marketing strategy to bring more customer.

it's PvP and we are not able to take an edge of that. We don't want to make profit, and we don't see why we should?
I understand the site looks really stiff and simpel. We will be working on that in the future, thank you for your feedback. Smiley

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What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

There is no business model. We build this website because we do not find it fair that casino's always win.

That is a really good point you made there, you might want to klik "please read more" on our home page where we explain a new system to prevent this from happening.
The only problem with that is: that both players have to be in the lobby simultaneously, and with a brand new website where there is almost no traffic this might become an issue. We wanted to add this later on(when there is enough traffic), but since you guys are really worried about that we started development right away. Please keep in mind that this function wont be as user friendly in the beginning as the way we do it now. Eventually we want all our games to use the SSB method.

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I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.
I'm quite confused right now because upon reading the website it's a PvP type of game. The most plausible way to have their profit if they give an advantage to your opponent and that said opponent is a player from the house. Right now there are a few people using the site so they need to use somebody to play in the site because they "do not support a bot-api." Even without a bot, you could decide on where you would give the win (generating a win to the favorable side) then profit from it.

That's just my take on the situation. No other way they could profit, no affiliates, ads, etc. Great initiative though.


Thank you for your feedback!

Please read our post above this one.

We are not looking to profit from it. You could see it as a charity organization.

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the site looks verry simple! its under construction or something?

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No need to hurry in launching your gambling site, it needs more feature games that can lure gamblers to visit. Yet, the design is too simple and it is not attractive to gambler enthusiasts for sure. Because in P2P gambling platform need more players unless if you had using bot as their opponent. The suggestion above of mine is good to follow, having an affiliate program will help your gambling site more progressive.

We understand the site is too basic to be a proper gambling site as you guys know them. We will be working on making it more attractive.
But as of now we try to focus on the idea of this concept, and making it 100% safe and working in the back end of the site. We are currently not looking for fast progress, we want to be rock solid before expanding.

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Gambling sites are business and its owners do spent out some cash from their wallets to launch up the site.
Zero house edge or no any other ways on profiting will always be a question on mind.We arent building a charity here just to have that aim on having
a fair gambling to everyone.lol

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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.







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We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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May I please ask, how do you plan to earn revenue? If there is no house edge, how do you pay for the hosting or other stuffs? Or is it just during the beta period? The concern that Darkstar raised, is very valid and that's the first thing came to my mind just after reading the announcement thread!

We made that announcement thread so our users know we are trying to be as transparent as possible.

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.

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September 25, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
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Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?

Thank you for your feedback!

-We are currently working on improving the backend of the site, all visuals are just side tasks for now.
-We are well aware of that but we decided to go for the safe option for now.
-I understand where you are coming from, we plan to add more games and make the site more diverse in the future.
-It's not, and we have no problem with that.

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September 25, 2019, 12:44:43 PM
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It seems the OP has been busy to work on his site because he is come back and give more information related to his website. I visited on the site, and I look that the design is too simple and there is no advertisement or any catchy image. I think the OP should add an image on the site so people will have an interest and they will stay for a long time. As others said, I wonder how he can make a profit if he applies no house edge? In the FAQ section, I think he needs to explain about deposit and withdraw, and I hope he doesn't use KYC for the members.

We are working everyday to improve the site. Good point u made about the image but for now we think there is more important work to be done.
We are not looking to make profit in anyway. What did you find unclear about the deposit and withdraw system? And no we currently do not apply KYC, anonymity is a must for us. If we become licensed we will have to use the KYC law.

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September 25, 2019, 12:51:15 PM
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Nop... This site is far from being a beta. I think a lot of work has not been done here. The design is very dry , the forum too has to be colourful to attract discussion because colour is attracting to gamblers. Maybe, it wasn't suppose to be posted yet until it is at least 90% ready which will get visitors to be expecting a completion in their minds. Anyway, wish you well as you put the works in order.

Thank you for your feedback!

We saw it more as the beta of the idea/concept. We know the site is far from done yet. All design features we will add later on. We did post it on purpose without the site being 100% done, so we could work together with to community on improving the website in the way they see fit.

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September 25, 2019, 12:59:32 PM
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~snip~
We appreciate all feedback and suggestions.
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?
^ These are the fact that I want also to know but OP I think is very busy right now, did not online from the time he posted this thread. Upon looking at the site, all replies above were right. Very poor website and how could be impossible to get revenue if there is no house edge, it means it is only third party gambling site that has a feature of P2P? Let us just wait for the update by the OP.

Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.


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September 25, 2019, 01:05:45 PM
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Zero house edge means you have to find a different way to make profit other than just hoping that gamblers lose at your casino! Of course, this usually happens anyway but you will get smart gamblers who make the most of 0 edge,,, especially when it comes to promotions (which is usually +EV anyway during promos even with house edge).

Only heads or tails, so this is PvP? That means site takes nothing for 0 house edge?

We don't see why we should do promotions? And why should we be making profit? I can help my neighbours for free can i? Not everyone is in it to make money.

Currently there is only head or tails, but we are playing to add more games in the future. And all those games will be PvP. Correct the site takes nothing, 0 house edge.

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September 25, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
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the site looks verry simple! its under construction or something?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yes we are still developing the site. We posted this because we strive to work hand in hand with the betting community, get feedback and improve the site in anyway the community sees fit.

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September 25, 2019, 01:29:16 PM
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Gambling sites are business and its owners do spent out some cash from their wallets to launch up the site.
Zero house edge or no any other ways on profiting will always be a question on mind.We arent building a charity here just to have that aim on having
a fair gambling to everyone.lol

Well we are not really a business we operate like one but without financial motives. I understand is weird to believe us, especially in a market that is all about money. But i can ensure you we want to work with the community hand in hand and do everything that see fit. We posses the resources to make gambling fair for everyone why shouldn't we make it? Not everyone is in it to make some money. ;P

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I saw this site also integrated with your own forum and it could be good place to talking and discuss about games or anything else related your site although still no activities at there

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September 25, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
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Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.
^ Good to see that you had been answered all concerns here and those suggestions that they are given. But here is also my friendly concern to you OP please do reply within one row, its looks like spamming. You can quote all in one reply. Friendly wishes and hoping that this project of yours will come successful soon good luck.

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I think that at the time of making the bets you should establish some online chat, because when the bet is made it is like something very automatic, it gives the impression that you are playing with a Bot. Try to make the interface with some colors, maybe if you can integrate night mode, it would be something to improve.

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What people have been missing out on the "zero house edge" is that its a marketing effort obviously. They are doing a heads or tails game and hope that one day people would come over and play there without the casino itself gambling. It would mean user 1 and user 2 playing against each other and whoever the winner is the casino doesn't have a house edge since they are not in the bet themselves.

So, there is no house edge because its not a game house is involved in, think of like poker games where you play against each other. Now do they have rake I have no idea, maybe they do have a rake or maybe they don't but that doesn't change the fact that there is no house edge part. So its a marketing effort to say zero house edge in game where there is no house anyway.


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Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.
^ Good to see that you had been answered all concerns here and those suggestions that they are given. But here is also my friendly concern to you OP please do reply within one row, its looks like spamming. You can quote all in one reply. Friendly wishes and hoping that this project of yours will come successful soon good luck.

Good point.
Thank you!

I saw this site also integrated with your own forum and it could be good place to talking and discuss about games or anything else related your site although still no activities at there

Correct no activity yet, so we will just do it here.

I think that at the time of making the bets you should establish some online chat, because when the bet is made it is like something very automatic, it gives the impression that you are playing with a Bot. Try to make the interface with some colors, maybe if you can integrate night mode, it would be something to improve.

Thank you for your feedback!

We will do a lot of UI changes once the backend works perfectly, dark-mode is a good one we are also thinking about implementing that. Smiley
Did you play a bet already? Because you will join a lobby with an other player where there is a chatroom and the option to switch to public chat.
If you mean something else please try to explain it in a different way.



What people have been missing out on the "zero house edge" is that its a marketing effort obviously. They are doing a heads or tails game and hope that one day people would come over and play there without the casino itself gambling. It would mean user 1 and user 2 playing against each other and whoever the winner is the casino doesn't have a house edge since they are not in the bet themselves.

So, there is no house edge because its not a game house is involved in, think of like poker games where you play against each other. Now do they have rake I have no idea, maybe they do have a rake or maybe they don't but that doesn't change the fact that there is no house edge part. So its a marketing effort to say zero house edge in game where there is no house anyway.


You are 100% correct, and by zero house edge we mean also no rake, rate, fee, commission, or exchange cost of chips in anyway.
We do not earn money in anyway.

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simple design with 0 house edge . I will keep eyes on your site how it will be in future .
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I'm still not sure how a site doesn't want profit , it doesn't make sense for me personally but maybe that's really the case here

the sportsbook part I'm not getting , it's impossible to run a book where there is no house edge cause even books that have margins can offer value bets from time to time so the book may make you lose money actually
unless the pvp part including sportsbetting as well , is that the plan to make people bet on sports against each others  ?

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I might be wrong but is this some form of a test-only gambling platform which people can try out provably-fair systems before getting out on the real gambling sites? Because if it is not, then you are asking for bankruptcy at all (well you must be rich guys to begin with since you have answered that you don't do this for the profit). Zero-percent house-edge is not yet seen on this industry, and the most common is 0.1% and that's the lowest I've seen. Just checked out the site and perhaps some design tweaks would help.

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Erm... What do you mean you're not doing this for profit?
I'd understand this if it were a school's project but since it's a gambling site then it's also possible that you end up losing instead!

I don't think 1% up or down would be a decisive factor for some to choose you or not, you could set it to 49-51 after the beta.
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This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.


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simple design with 0 house edge . I will keep eyes on your site how it will be in future .

Thank you for your feedback.
Make sure you keep up to dated with the latest update on here! Smiley



I'm still not sure how a site doesn't want profit , it doesn't make sense for me personally but maybe that's really the case here

the sportsbook part I'm not getting , it's impossible to run a book where there is no house edge cause even books that have margins can offer value bets from time to time so the book may make you lose money actually
unless the pvp part including sportsbetting as well , is that the plan to make people bet on sports against each others  ?

I understand it doesn't makes sense to you but try to see it this way, why should a online casino make money? They don't have to pay for staff, rent and equipment etc like a regular casino. Our only cost is hosting but its a small fee we willing to cover ourselves because we like doing this. Al development we enjoy doing so that is also no issue.

I don't want to share too much on the sports-bets at this time, due to the fact other casino's might copy it. But i can ensure you our sports-bets will be without any house edge an will be PvP! ;P


I might be wrong but is this some form of a test-only gambling platform which people can try out provably-fair systems before getting out on the real gambling sites? Because if it is not, then you are asking for bankruptcy at all (well you must be rich guys to begin with since you have answered that you don't do this for the profit). Zero-percent house-edge is not yet seen on this industry, and the most common is 0.1% and that's the lowest I've seen. Just checked out the site and perhaps some design tweaks would help.

It's not a test site for other casino's in anyway. Because it's not seen in this industry before we wanted to build it. Make something that hasn't been done before(as far as we know). Besides that we are not "rich" but wealthy enough to afford a monthly fee for hosting.

Erm... What do you mean you're not doing this for profit?
I'd understand this if it were a school's project but since it's a gambling site then it's also possible that you end up losing instead!

I don't think 1% up or down would be a decisive factor for some to choose you or not, you could set it to 49-51 after the beta.

Like i said we are not looking after profits. Nothing else to say about that. Tongue
Why would we end up losing? Due to the fact we pay for hosting?

I can see that but a decisive factor might be that we gain nothing from it. Player1 or Player2 wins, and the other one looses. The money stays within the community.

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This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.

Thank you for your feedback!

We didn't really looked into the design that much yet, we will later on. It's experimental right now but we are going to work from what we have.
So the house edge will always be zero, even in the final version i can ensure you that. We try to collect as little data as possible, because we find privacy and anonymity very important.

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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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Sincerely,

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Zero house edge caught my attention. As much as you are trying to lay everything in the open which is commendable but a little charge wont be bad because zero edge means there wont be an reserve for the business not to even maintain the site or pay the administrators or to cover any operating expenses. With zero edge, it means as much as you the customer can lose, so also can you lose and what happens when the customer wins on first attempt or on launch, it means you have to go source for funds to pay the customer. Another factor is that when you have zero edge, then it sends a message to the public that something is going on because if you dont get money from there to run the site, you must surely be doing something shady from behind the scene to recover this money.

 
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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

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The platform is faster, have you worked on it? Within the platform, apart from the forum, whose participation has not been established, it would be useful if you could achieve some way to see users online, maybe an accountant.

Many players see if there are real players and not Bots (I am not saying that you use bots), this is very important because in this way the number of users increases and generates more interest in the players. Everything seems great.

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September 26, 2019, 09:17:29 PM
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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty
OP at first I want to tell you that zero house edge means going bankrupt for casino, so if you business is planned on short-term total loss, then it's good project.
Don't take it wrongly but you can achieve nothing without house edge. As I see max bet is 10$, this stops serious gamblers to gamble on your website and more likely your audience will be faucet catcher and players. That's not good for business too. I think it will be much more beneficial if you put ads on your website and offer people to play with just points, without any deposit or set memberships (but this last one won't be beneficial).

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If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.

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If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

 
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September 27, 2019, 03:21:19 AM
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There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 

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We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
Okay, the next 5 years is assured that you will be able to maintain the hosting for this site. But the whole thing isn't just about hosting.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  .
Actually the owner said that they don't have to monetize so that's why even adding ads on their website isn't going to benefit them (base on what he said). But until now, I'm still confused with his reasoning, anyway as long as this won't turn into a scam I think that will be okay.

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If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


Well I will have to give you thumbs up for this. This is unique and has never been seen before. I love player vs player games and specially if there's a zero house edge it will give players an extra thrill to play and double their money based on their luck without having to give any portion of their winning voluntarily. It's good that you came up with this idea and wanting to spend resources to keep it alive without gaining. I will be sure to try it out and also wait for further improvements! Wink

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I wonder why would you even consider creating a zero house edge casino? The concern that some people have raised regarding this being a data collection attempt is probably the closest thing to reality.

I just hope that you do not in any way try to slip in a house edge in one of your upcoming updates without the users knowing anything about it. Surely you have operating costs, how do you meet these while having zero house edge? Do you charge an extortionate withdrawal fee or something?

You guys know the saying... When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is!


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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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Zero house edge caught my attention. As much as you are trying to lay everything in the open which is commendable but a little charge wont be bad because zero edge means there wont be an reserve for the business not to even maintain the site or pay the administrators or to cover any operating expenses. With zero edge, it means as much as you the customer can lose, so also can you lose and what happens when the customer wins on first attempt or on launch, it means you have to go source for funds to pay the customer. Another factor is that when you have zero edge, then it sends a message to the public that something is going on because if you dont get money from there to run the site, you must surely be doing something shady from behind the scene to recover this money.

Thank you for your feedback!

It's an PvP system so we don't have to pay out anything. Besides that we are the admins/developers of the site so the only cost we have is hosting and we are willing to pay that out of our own pocket. We have no second agenda, and i can ensure you there is nothing shady going on behind the scene.

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Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.

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The platform is faster, have you worked on it? Within the platform, apart from the forum, whose participation has not been established, it would be useful if you could achieve some way to see users online, maybe an accountant.

Many players see if there are real players and not Bots (I am not saying that you use bots), this is very important because in this way the number of users increases and generates more interest in the players. Everything seems great.

Thank you for your feedback!

We are working on the playform everyday. We plan to release a new update somewhere next week. We currently have the amount of users online displayed at the home page. But we will look futher into that!

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.


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Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.

Your concept is very interesting to me and I appreciate your intention that you provide this service for free. But members here are used to various scams, so they are mostly selective in choosing any platform. So indirectly many members here are suspicious of you, and I suggest you give a license to your platform or invite trusted member cooperation here so that your new platform at least has a guaranteed reputation.
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We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.
Once again, I apologize, but here I will allow myself to correct you a little, because there are things from which a person takes great pleasure when doing his favorite thing or from doing what he does very well.  In this case, I am sure that you are doing what brings you pleasure.  Iíve been working in the cryptocurrency market for several years in various forms and Iím not always able to get a good income, but nevertheless I like this activity and bring it pleasure.

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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Sincerely,

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OP at first I want to tell you that zero house edge means going bankrupt for casino, so if you business is planned on short-term total loss, then it's good project.
Don't take it wrongly but you can achieve nothing without house edge. As I see max bet is 10$, this stops serious gamblers to gamble on your website and more likely your audience will be faucet catcher and players. That's not good for business too. I think it will be much more beneficial if you put ads on your website and offer people to play with just points, without any deposit or set memberships (but this last one won't be beneficial).

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts. We set the max to 10$ to avoid major losses due to a glitch/bug, since we are still in the beta. Ads are a logical option but we don't want to bother our users with ads.



If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.

Good point on the loopholes, check our home page and click read more. To counter this we will roll out an update somewhere next week.
We are the staff/livechat support/programmers/development/management.






If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

Read reaction above.

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There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 

We don't want to bother our users with ads.


We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
Okay, the next 5 years is assured that you will be able to maintain the hosting for this site. But the whole thing isn't just about hosting.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  .
Actually the owner said that they don't have to monetize so that's why even adding ads on their website isn't going to benefit them (base on what he said). But until now, I'm still confused with his reasoning, anyway as long as this won't turn into a scam I think that will be okay.

We are not trying to scam ppl, if we wanted to target the ordinairy guy i could think of a 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient and with less work.



If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


Well I will have to give you thumbs up for this. This is unique and has never been seen before. I love player vs player games and specially if there's a zero house edge it will give players an extra thrill to play and double their money based on their luck without having to give any portion of their winning voluntarily. It's good that you came up with this idea and wanting to spend resources to keep it alive without gaining. I will be sure to try it out and also wait for further improvements! Wink

Thank you for your positive feedback! Smiley We plan to roll out a new update somewhere next week. Make sure you keep in touch with the site on this forum.



I wonder why would you even consider creating a zero house edge casino? The concern that some people have raised regarding this being a data collection attempt is probably the closest thing to reality.

I just hope that you do not in any way try to slip in a house edge in one of your upcoming updates without the users knowing anything about it. Surely you have operating costs, how do you meet these while having zero house edge? Do you charge an extortionate withdrawal fee or something?

You guys know the saying... When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is!

We are not trying to collect data, and we will NEVER add a house edge to our website. Withdraw fees can be checked afterward so you can see it for your self. ;P

I understand it sound to good to be true, i think i will never be are to convince you guys on our beliefs. But i think time will tell.

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
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Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.

Your concept is very interesting to me and I appreciate your intention that you provide this service for free. But members here are used to various scams, so they are mostly selective in choosing any platform. So indirectly many members here are suspicious of you, and I suggest you give a license to your platform or invite trusted member cooperation here so that your new platform at least has a guaranteed reputation.

I understand and i think i won't be able to convince you guys in anyway. so i think time will tell.
We might get a licence later on but for now we stick to bitcoin only. Sorry for the inconvenience.


We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.
Once again, I apologize, but here I will allow myself to correct you a little, because there are things from which a person takes great pleasure when doing his favorite thing or from doing what he does very well.  In this case, I am sure that you are doing what brings you pleasure.  Iíve been working in the cryptocurrency market for several years in various forms and Iím not always able to get a good income, but nevertheless I like this activity and bring it pleasure.

No need to apologize we all good Smiley

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September 27, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
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This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.
They have the right to do what ever they want, and you might not know it they can have other ways of getting profit with zero house edge. However if the want to be on the main gambling field they should adopt some features required

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There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 
No they aren't bothering theirselves on having that ads option as they say.  Wink

We don't want to bother our users with ads.

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

 
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September 27, 2019, 08:18:07 PM
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This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.
They have the right to do what ever they want, and you might not know it they can have other ways of getting profit with zero house edge. However if the want to be on the main gambling field they should adopt some features required

What features did you have in mind?

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There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 
No they aren't bothering theirselves on having that ads option as they say.  Wink

We don't want to bother our users with ads.

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.

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September 27, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
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I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

 
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We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.
Yes of course and that's the primary target on all businesses.Its just really hard to be convinced that you are running without minding the profitability of your website.

It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.

 
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Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
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It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.

 
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Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.
Lets say its PvP but dont you consider on maintenance and expenses on maintaining the site? As an owner- you would be willing to pull out money for others benefits?
About on that Edgeless thing you said it is indeed possible that they would head up on that way.Anything can be change when they do saw that they already attracted lots of users and do impose fees in near future but the BIG question is, would they able to attract gamblers?

 
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I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.



We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.
Yes of course and that's the primary target on all businesses.Its just really hard to be convinced that you are running without minding the profitability of your website.

It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.

I am wondering what expenses did you have in mind?



Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.

Zero means zero so not 0.0001% but 0%. And we will NEVER slide in a house edge.




Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.
Lets say its PvP but dont you consider on maintenance and expenses on maintaining the site? As an owner- you would be willing to pull out money for others benefits?
About on that Edgeless thing you said it is indeed possible that they would head up on that way.Anything can be change when they do saw that they already attracted lots of users and do impose fees in near future but the BIG question is, would they able to attract gamblers?

I am not sure if we are able to attract gamblers everyone is free to play where ever they want.
Maintaining the site almost costs nothing. We are willing to cover that. We will never change the house edge.

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September 28, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
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Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

So if its PvP, how would you guys profit? You guys are going to be taking a small fee from both sides of the users just like poker rake? What's the total percentage of the commission? Again, if this is PvP then I don't get it why would you guys be advertising by saying that you guys have "zero house edge"? Of course the house is not going to be involved here unless the player is playing against the house (which again will cause problems to the bankroll in the long run).

gamblers can play against each otherwithout interferance of a third-party
Care to explain more? You guys are the third party over here holding the users balance and stuffs.


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I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.
If you won't taking any profit from it, I'm frightened of your idea. If you do so, then I'm sure this won't have a long run and at the end I'm afraid that many people will lose their funds on the website when everything is done and you can't maintain this anymore.

 
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Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

So if its PvP, how would you guys profit? You guys are going to be taking a small fee from both sides of the users just like poker rake? What's the total percentage of the commission? Again, if this is PvP then I don't get it why would you guys be advertising by saying that you guys have "zero house edge"? Of course the house is not going to be involved here unless the player is playing against the house (which again will cause problems to the bankroll in the long run).


We are not looking for ways to make profit. No fees, no coin exchange rate or anything. We wanted to create the purest form of gambling possible.
We say 0% house-edge to make ppl understand we gain nothing from it.

gamblers can play against each otherwithout interferance of a third-party
Care to explain more? You guys are the third party over here holding the users balance and stuffs.


With interference by a third-party we mean: giving in money to a casino/host. Yes we are a third-party but we are not interfering money wise, we are only there for the convenience that ppl don't have to be sitting together irl.

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I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.
If you won't taking any profit from it, I'm frightened of your idea. If you do so, then I'm sure this won't have a long run and at the end I'm afraid that many people will lose their funds on the website when everything is done and you can't maintain this anymore.

If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.

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Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house edge! We choose to leave the house edge out because we believe there should be no need to gain from gamblers. After all we fund this site from our own pockets. We also strongly believe in anonymity so we do not apply KYC or collect any data besides your email (which doesnít need confirmation). After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. In the future we will be adding more games and a more friendly UI but for now we try to focus on what is important. Itís a Player vs Player system and the winner takes all, without any house edge or fees. Make sure you check it out even if you are not a gambler! We truly appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf =)    https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

P.S.
Somewhere next week we plan to roll out an update that makes our RNG 100% waterproof. Make sure you keep updated through this post.

Sincerely,

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We have updated some questions to our original post. Smiley

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If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.
Just remember that we are in crypto world, and it means we should trust no one. Probably you are honest person, I don't know but people should not easily trust others just to keep them safe. Anyway, what is the complex parts you are talking about?

 
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The issue here is that this sounds like a potential scam since you are saying it's 0% house edge and you are running this site under the goodness of your heart.

I would understand if a large Bitcoin casino like Fortunejack, Primedice, Bitsler launched some sister site and claimed it was 0% house edge because it's PvP then I would believe them, because they already got a income stream with their main site. However you don't seem to have one in anyway and it seems like it might be a potential exit scam in the future, especially with the very simple design. Means not too much effort was put into this and another reason why it might be a scam.

My questions are also like the above posters, how can we prove it's really some unique player on the other side of the bet and not yourself, since you know the server seed and client seeds.?

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September 30, 2019, 05:53:47 AM
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If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

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If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.
Just remember that we are in crypto world, and it means we should trust no one. Probably you are honest person, I don't know but people should not easily trust others just to keep them safe. Anyway, what is the complex parts you are talking about?

I understand that and if ppl don't trust it they can always deposit like 2$ and withdraw directly after they win something.
Well prob 90% of all gambling sites run on the same scrips. Ours on the other hand is build from scratch we use the most up-to-date techniques like Laravel and Vue with the newest versions. This combined with all updates over web sockets and not using any Ajax polling at all making is a lot of work to build new features. We don't chose the easy way, compared to the frontend we put a lot of effort in the backend of the website. Please keep in mind that everything is made out of nothing Smiley We started at 0% just like our house-edge Wink if there are any more technical questions I will be glad to answer them.

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If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


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#84

The issue here is that this sounds like a potential scam since you are saying it's 0% house edge and you are running this site under the goodness of your heart.

I would understand if a large Bitcoin casino like Fortunejack, Primedice, Bitsler launched some sister site and claimed it was 0% house edge because it's PvP then I would believe them, because they already got a income stream with their main site. However you don't seem to have one in anyway and it seems like it might be a potential exit scam in the future, especially with the very simple design. Means not too much effort was put into this and another reason why it might be a scam.

My questions are also like the above posters, how can we prove it's really some unique player on the other side of the bet and not yourself, since you know the server seed and client seeds.?

If an large casino would make this as a sister site, wouldn't they risk losing a lot of users on their main site and also lose their income stream as you said? All online casino's could pull of a exit scam but that is not our angle. Indeed the design is very simple at the moment, we are currently putting in a lot of effort on the backend of the website. But that doesn't mean there is not much effort put in. Just because it doesn't look like one of the 10.000 same casino websites. Their scrips are all pre-made, same with the layout. We actually build it an run it. They all bought some software. And have the funds to run it. We are planing to release a new RNG system somewhere this week.
Due to many concerns about the fact that; we(as the site owner) could play against the users while knowing the clientseed of the user that created a bet. We came up with a new way to give our bets 100% provably fair RNG. The new way will go as followed: Both players need to be online and in the same lobby, when both players are in the same lobby they create a clientseed in their browser. The hashed version of these clientseeds will be sent to the server. We will reveal your hashed version to the other player, and also the other way around. Make sure you copy your opponent's hashed clientseed, so you are able to check it after the bet has been played. When both players click 'confirm', both players will send their plain-text clientseed to the server at the same time.

In case something went wrong or someone tries to alter their clientseed in their browser after sending the hashed version of it, we will reject their clientseed. The person whose clientseed was wrong or is missing, still has the option to submit their clientseed within 48 hours and get the bet result. To make the system safe, the player whoís clientseed was correct has the option to either cancel the bet and refund the bet amount to both players, or to wait 48 hours and get all the funds without a result(but only if the other users didnít submit their clientseed before 48 hours). This makes our system 100% safe. The only downside is that both players have to be online and in the exact same lobby. Due to that we will also offer our old system for those who believe that we won't use the outcome against them. And don't feel like waiting all day until someone joins them because we currently do not have that much users yet.

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If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

 
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October 01, 2019, 12:30:45 PM
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If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

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If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.
I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird

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