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September 26, 2019, 03:36:11 PM
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Personally I've never done it. But I do believe that top-ranked exchanges will ever do something like this. But when you try this on a new or unknown exchange there may be occurs some problems with your personal information and I don't think it's safe. Another thing is that if you are afraid of debit card and phone number then you need to be aware of KYC first. Because almost all exchanges now collect a lot of data through KYC.

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September 26, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
Those are the KYC procedure you have to go through. The exchange also (I think) has no say in this since they are bound to do so because of legal reasons. People would easily launder money if there were no such verification. I know this defeats the purpose of using crypto currencies but there are currently no option right now.
About your data. No one is sure or can know if they are selling it or not.

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September 26, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
Those are the KYC procedure you have to go through. The exchange also (I think) has no say in this since they are bound to do so because of legal reasons. People would easily launder money if there were no such verification. I know this defeats the purpose of using crypto currencies but there are currently no option right now.
About your data. No one is sure or can know if they are selling it or not.

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September 26, 2019, 08:11:04 PM
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For getting fiat without KYC, better to ask people there fiat/btc exchange, for example skrill, paypal and etc, you will find someone with whom you'll negotiate.

That's even worse than using an exchange.

You still need to go through KYC to use these services.

And chargeback fraud becomes an issue to watch out for.

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September 26, 2019, 11:00:56 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
Most of the top cypto exchanges started to update their data base or ask you to provide them with the information about yourself. KYC nowadays is something that we crypto users and traders will I guess need to accept that it is happening. If I trade stocks before I trade they will also ask for a lot of information about me but compared to the possible earnings that I would get from trading crypto, I am willing to give them my information as long as I am giving it to a reputable exchanger and not to those new ones that has a low feedback and review.
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September 27, 2019, 04:16:08 AM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
No, I think that is not a good way to use credit card. As you said, it takes too many steps and seems insecure for your personal information. But I know there is a place to buy and sell bitcoins at very low prices.
Coinvi.com, you can refer to it and try trading. Currently there are more than 500 users who have been constantly trading there and the price of Bitcoin is $ 200- $ 300 cheaper than other exchanges.

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September 27, 2019, 05:30:40 AM
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I guess that would definitely be safe if one of the exchange are well known and has a good track record in the market and being listed too at
the top exchange platform, but you can also try bitforex because they accepted Visa and master card for you to be able to buy crypto here
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September 27, 2019, 09:53:23 AM
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Binance is still considered a trusted exchange so far. They enforce it all because they are one of several centralized exchanges, they anticipate all forms of scam and money laundering in their exchanges. If you have objections to providing your data, it is better to use a decentralized exchange.

Most of the top cypto exchanges started to update their data base or ask you to provide them with the information about yourself. KYC nowadays is something that we crypto users and traders will I guess need to accept that it is happening. If I trade stocks before I trade they will also ask for a lot of information about me but compared to the possible earnings that I would get from trading crypto, I am willing to give them my information as long as I am giving it to a reputable exchanger and not to those new ones that has a low feedback and review.

yeah right, I think KYC doesn't matter if it is applied by a reputable exchange, different from a new exchange or a problematic exchange, maybe they will sell our data. Therefore, selection of exchanges in trade must be right because it risks our data and not only about reputation but about security of exchange, make sure the exchange has no history of security concerns.

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September 27, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
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we can use binance and use the free member as they offer people not to do KYC. I use binance, bittrex, and poloniex from a long time ago.

Here the OP is talking about Fiat-to-crypto exchange. So Binance, Bittrex, and Poloniex do ask for KYC for buying with credit card. I know that for exchanging cryptos there may be No Kyc required but for buying with credit card, KYC is required. Many exchanges do not ask for KYC for exchanging coins but for buying it is required.

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get cash back with you credit card so you hold fiat. CC can be tracked and/or generates compliance risks/flags, so avoid it if you can.
you can go from credit card =>gift card => cash (fiat)
BTC is peer-to-peer cash, so stay away from centralized exchanges.  We're mom and pop main street, not wall street.

I convert twd/jpy/cny and other major currencies to btc in various countries without any issues on daily basis.
Off topic: I also convert physical gold to btc and vice versa.

In the last 7 years I've been trade, I've learned that you can generally stay safe by:

1) start the trade with reasonable amount (need to factor in neighborhood, site placement, etc)
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6) stay away from site that can be accessed easily by highway.

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September 28, 2019, 05:22:18 AM
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Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?
Mate that's only a KYC requirement, don't be paranoid at a sudden. By the way, are you using social medias like FB and others? If yes then that should be the one you suspected for selling your private info first and foremost. Why feel threatened on using exchanges which only ask for fee details but not on those risky social media sites where you can post almost all of your daily routines?

Anyway, though I don't use exchanges since I'm only buying coins into my wallet I still say that using legit ones are safe. I say so because I haven't heard complaints from my colleagues so far regarding privacy issues. Smiley



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September 28, 2019, 06:14:14 AM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
Yes, fiat and crypto transactions are safe because I have done hundreds of times. Don't worry too much about providing your information to those exchanges, they won't be too short of money to sell your information. They just want to know your information to trade easier and more reputable, and when you encounter difficulties in trading, all problems will be solved faster when they know you really are the owner of this account.  Wink

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September 28, 2019, 08:20:54 AM
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Personally I've never done it. But I do believe that top-ranked exchanges will ever do something like this. But when you try this on a new or unknown exchange there may be occurs some problems with your personal information and I don't think it's safe. Another thing is that if you are afraid of debit card and phone number then you need to be aware of KYC first. Because almost all exchanges now collect a lot of data through KYC.
If you stay in trading surely you can done It.  Your suggestion is right because KYC is good to maintain our personal data. But some scammers are never like that so those are fear to survive trading they are little confused to give our data. Binance is the best Decentralized exchanges so they never sell our personal information and still some hackers are available in this world so we must protect our information is the perfect decision.

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September 28, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
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Personally, I believe that both fiat centralized exchanges and bitcoin debit cards providers defeat the whole purpose of crypto

This is why I don't trust any KYC process, they are confusing and fishy at the same time. Even though they are rich poeple who owns an exchange, still we can't fully trust our identity to them and yes, I agree that they are completely defying the whole purpose of cryptocurrency by doing this kind of thing.


These platforms are clearly not safe, because you never know what your data are being used for and even If nothing malicious is being done from the service's part, there is always a possibility of your data being hacked/leaked.

Well this is the most scariest part, you can't sleep at nights thinking if you did the right thing, if you can trust them with your legit information, the most worst case scenario would be the next day you wake up, and you are in the news saying that you are a scammer or something else horrible, and you didn't even know who the hell use your identity because you have done so much KYC process, also you don't have any proof that they are the one who used your identity, it is hard to accuse someone without any hard evidence againts them.
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September 28, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?
Because of the heavy regulations, exchanges are asked to go for KYC before signing up a new customer. Whether your data will be safe or not will depend upon the exchange. Here, you're talking about buying crypto through fiat such transactions require intervention of banks and hence, such details become essential as with any transaction involving fiat.

They don't sell your info but in case the information is being required by the authorities, exchanges will need to disclose it.
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September 28, 2019, 02:56:44 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?


I think you should go through the exchanges Terms of Service or FAQ to understand how they handle your private information...Not like they will be very transparent about it though but little explanation is better than nothing.
If you want anonymity/privacy you could use decentralized exchanges like Bisq.


Reading Terms of Service and Conditons/ FAQ are pretty good to validate their intention indeed. This is where you can find the answer for all of your questions regards with their service. Nowadays, our private informations are now uploaded in the internet due to the fact that it is necessary for our daily transaction and it is inevitable just for example, it is being uploaded in online database. Now getting back to the topic if you don't like any exchages that requires KYC then you should go for decentralized exchages.
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September 28, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?

There's a point if you're ok with the KYC procedure.
I'm using exchanges, but now too many of them requiring verification and tbh that annoys me.
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September 28, 2019, 05:45:18 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
Of course, you're new judging from the line of your questions. Don't knock yourself hard for it. We all were once like that.


I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Most exchanges now request a KYC and this makes nonsense of the idea of anonymity which was one of the principles establishing Bitcoin.

Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?
I am not sure of reputable exchanges selling personal data of their customers to the darknet. Only unscrupulous exchanges or sites do that.

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September 29, 2019, 01:49:53 AM
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Hey everyone. I'm new to crypto and I wanted to ask if there's a point of buying crypto with a credit card.
I found a lot of exchanges where users can easily (as they say) buy cryptocurrencies with their bank card. I mean, at binance they request like a lot of data about me, including my phone number or date of birth.
Aren't they selling my private info (that would explain 0,25$ fee on changelly for example), and doesn't that conflicts with the statement about my anonymity?

That would be fair for every fiat-to-crypto exchange, so my question is: do you use it and is it really safe?

Some exchanges accept Master cards and Visa cards for a consumer to buy crypto, now if they ask for another document, that's one of their rules that a trader who wants to use their platform. And to lose your doubt, learn this lesson or find out first and foremost the feedback about the binance you mentioned. To me, Binance is okay because it is one of the top exchanges in the market.
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September 29, 2019, 02:26:20 AM
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It's best that you should stay away from this kind of action or avoid this kind of transaction because there is a big possibility that your data will be save in their database after inputting it in their field.

Especially that we are talking about credit card, though there are exchanges out there that we can trust but it's better to be safe. If you have no other ways in obtaining crypto currencies and you really want to buy crypto currencies then you can use it knowing the risk.

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