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September 25, 2019, 04:29:13 PM
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I was bored, so I put together a simple calculator to predict the date of the next Activity milestone for increasing rank.  The spreadsheet assumes consistent activity to the dates it calculates, and your post count is equal to or higher than the required activity.  Of course there are still those pesky merit requirements one must achieve.

To use it, enter the date of your most recent bump in activity score, and your current activity points in the yellow fields.

And, without further ado, the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-QJgAw9oZ0Rf6Y5uE53d3koEbgP4BoZaTsF6toJBAJY/edit?usp=sharing

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September 25, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
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Now this is something for the scrapeBots:

Of the space of users that have earned 1 or more merit, what is the average merit earned?

With that metric, divide by the number of days since they earned their first merit and average the totals.
We could have an estimation for the merit requirements as well. Smiley
Definitely not going to be an insane uphill battle considering (with current numbers) each new member would have a little under 34 months to accumulate 0.13975% of all newly-generated merit. This is even discounting any subsequent merit sends (i.e. true sMerit as opposed to source sMerit).

At current rates we can make 62 Legendary members each month (in raw merit value) if we truly wanted to.

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September 25, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
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Of the space of users that have earned 1 or more merit, what is the average merit earned?
Last Friday, 30410 users had received at least 1 Merit. In total, 460749 Merit had been sent. That's 15.15 Merit on average.
I don't think this is a very useful number though Tongue

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September 25, 2019, 05:41:33 PM
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Last Friday, 30410 users had received at least 1 Merit. In total, 460749 Merit had been sent. That's 15.15 Merit on average.
I don't think this is a very useful number though Tongue
Every statistic is useful... it's just how you approach it.
We can probably model a Pareto distribution when it comes to earned merit and despite what people may like to believe, this is not evidence of any circling. Certainly, not everyone will earn as much as Loyce but we can consider the 75th to 90th percentile as that's where most of the (non-extreme) high-quality posters should reside. That might bring a better daily merit number.

Even just a guess at 1 merit per day (which is certainly very possible) means that a brand new user will be able to rank up to Legendary by the time they hit the cap.

If the question shifts to, "why such a high requirement," then the answer is clearly: "Legendary status should not be given to everyone. It is for those that deserve it."

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September 25, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
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I gave it a go trying to forecast the date of ranking for each merited person back in October 2018 (all remaining ranks to Legendary, asuming 775 Activity as the base for the latter to simplify), based on merit per day and posts per day. Although at the time I had the data per person, I only published the aggregates and the forecast for 2019 Legendries.

It’s pretty much nearly impossible to predict with a good rate of (rough) success, since gaining merits is rather variable, and the projection estimated on a linear average based on the previous four months or so. Fun to do at the time though, although lengthly (see Analysis – Personal merit per day, merit per post and ranking-up projections).

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September 25, 2019, 06:11:51 PM
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we can consider the 75th to 90th percentile as that's where most of the (non-extreme) high-quality posters should reside. That might bring a better daily merit number.
Here's the earned Merit of each userID (until last Friday). If it's 0, that means the user only sent Merit without receiving any. It's quite easy to make a Pareto chart out of this.

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September 25, 2019, 07:22:31 PM
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I remember seeing similar activity calculator few years, but now I can't find, maybe it doesn't works anymore. After release of merit system, activity isn't such important thing anymore, but it's still interesting to check estimated date when you can rank up. So, thanks for making it.
One fun thing related to this topic - theymos told that I would have received Legendary status at lowest possible activity. So, I was just one week away from Legendary rank when merit system was released lol.




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September 25, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Last edit: September 26, 2019, 03:05:40 AM by DireWolfM14
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One fun thing related to this topic - theymos told that I would have received Legendary status at lowest possible activity. So, I was just one week away from Legendary rank when merit system was released lol.

I remember that conversation a few months back, and remember thinking how you must have felt gypped.  Oh well, water under the bridge.  It is nice to have a goal, and I'm sure you'll make it in due time.
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September 26, 2019, 01:44:27 PM
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LTU_btc, some users like you did not profit from merit system timing, after years of old system you are pushed back to earn Legendary rank that was at your fingertips. I have reached to Legendary rank before merit system is introduced, but I wait for that moment until I reached 900+ activity.

I believe you will become Legendary sooner or later, it's just a matter of merits, so I suggest you try to give your best and thus get the attention of merit sources, suchmoon has already given you a really nice boost Wink

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September 26, 2019, 03:24:51 PM
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It seems that no one used this calculator. (View only doc) Grin Grin Grin Grin
When the merit system was established, I still needed 40 days to reach Sr.member rank, but I was able to reach it after 3 months. 90 days.


suchmoon has already given you a really nice boost Wink
It is impressive to know how many sMerits for this account per month. He has spent more than 18951.

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September 26, 2019, 03:29:00 PM
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It seems that no one used this calculator. (View only doc)



I actually did but thought it must be me or my desktop - impossible noone would have tried it out... and I was scared making a fool of myself!  Cheesy

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September 26, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
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You need to make a copy of the document so that you can edit it. Obviously, if it wasn't view-only then you'd have the document deleted or strewn with chaos.

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Last edit: October 10, 2019, 12:06:27 PM by fillippone
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Hello everyone.
I am bored as well, so I did a trivial edit to the calculator.
As activity cycles are common to the whole forum I added them into the spreadsheet (credits to Jambola2 spreadsheet found here).
So it's not needed anymore to input last activity increase then!
Try Now the  Rank Activity Calculator Automated here!




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October 09, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
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I remember the time before the introduction of merit when we just wrote in the forum without burdening ourselves too much with others and what others think of us.
Now it's different, everyone is struggling to get merit and advance in the forum.
I am not sure if this is fair to the younger members since the older members received higher forum ranks much easier.
It is especially difficult to advance for young members who can't write in English and can only participate in the local part of the forum.



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October 09, 2019, 03:42:00 PM
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I am not sure if this is fair to the younger members since the older members received higher forum ranks much easier.
It's fair.  Even if it weren't fair, it was the fairest solution to the rampant shitposting problem.  By the beginning of 2018 it was clear to anyone reading posts on this forum that something had to be done--account farming was easy to do and was out of control.  Members came here hoping to rank up and earn big money in signature campaigns, and the result was an onslaught of low-quality posts done for just that purpose. 

It is especially difficult to advance for young members who can't write in English and can only participate in the local part of the forum.
If they feel the need to write in a language they don't have a command of, I would question their motive for doing so.  Usually such members have advertising in their signatures, and if that's the case they're probably writing in English because that's what they're getting paid to do.

It's much, much harder to rank up from scratch these days, that is certainly true.  But that's the whole point of the merit system.  It wasn't done maliciously but rather as a protective mechanism for the forum as a whole.  Personally I think it's serving its purpose so far, all complaints aside (and we haven't seen many bitch-fests in Meta lately).

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October 09, 2019, 04:12:37 PM
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We might be a little OT here, but I think the system is fair.
I racked up a decent amount of merits and just today I ranked up to Hero... just waiting for my lucky day when I will be legendary.

Of course I put a lot of effort in the forum and I got something back.
I am being humble about this: if I did it, i cannot see why other "new era newbies" cannot do the same.

Also I am not angry at oldest members who got their rank based on the fact that they were there.
Firstly being there at that time meant they were intelligent enough to understand the BTC value proposition before many other, secondly they put a lot of effort in the forum as well, without merit system being able to signal it. So no point in thinking they are abusing their status.
So I do agree, the system is not perfect, but it's the fairest.

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I remember the time before the introduction of merit when we just wrote in the forum without burdening ourselves too much with others and what others think of us.
Now it's different, everyone is struggling to get merit and advance in the forum.

Exactly and that's why the younger generation are now suffering for the way majority of earlier users treated the forum. Had it been "they" didn't spam the forum, all in the name of they don't care about what other thought of their posts, we won't had been in this situation now (having to require merit to rank up) but still though, kudos to them as due to their abusive ways we got a better system to stop account farming and probably reduce the rate of spamming in the forum.

The quality of post are steadily improving and healthy discussion are been observed in their numbers. Now we just have to get rid of or reduce the rate at which back scratchers are getting rewarded (i.e those posting to impress certain set of users) then the system will become perfect.

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I remember the time before the introduction of merit when we just wrote in the forum without burdening ourselves too much with others and what others think of us.
Now it's different, everyone is struggling to get merit and advance in the forum.
I am not sure if this is fair to the younger members since the older members received higher forum ranks much easier.
It is especially difficult to advance for young members who can't write in English and can only participate in the local part of the forum.
the time has come when beginners have to struggle to raise their rankings in the forum. and very sad, the younger members who are now more happy to spam, only a part of the beginner generation who really earnestly struggling to raise rankings without spamming.

actually not understanding English is not an obstacle in this forum, there are many language translator platforms as learning media, maybe it is difficult to learn grammar only. after all we in school must have learned English, of course we master it even though a little.

 
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October 10, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
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It is especially difficult to advance for young members who can't write in English and can only participate in the local part of the forum.
Low rank members can still receive Merits even though they can't/don't post in English Language. Merit is a reward to be given in a "quality" post and doesn't mean non English posts doesn't deserved it. As long as a post helps other member or can be qualified as quality, no matter what language it is written, it can be merited. I hope that answered your concern.


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