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September 28, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
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Good afternoon, I have not appeared on the forum for a long time because I forgot the password from my old account. Now I found him and saw that my character was banned. Can I find out the reason for the ban?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1064517
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September 28, 2019, 02:52:36 PM
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If it's ban then it will have an address for you to appeal. Write to that email address. Alternatively you can follow this procedures too: Recovering hacked/lost accounts

By the way, is there any possibility for you that you have plagiarized any time?

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September 28, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
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According to bpip[1] [2], your account has been banned. Mostly because of plagiarized (Maybe one of the posts is in Russian.)
Let's wait @@Veleor, he will have some details.
You (as a person and not as an account) are prohibited from using this forum or creating a new account.


[1] https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kolinyaka
[2] http://loyce.club/bans/usernames.txt

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September 28, 2019, 03:27:05 PM
Last edit: September 28, 2019, 04:30:20 PM by YOSHIE
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If it's ban then it will have an address for you to appeal. Write to that email address. Alternatively you can follow this procedures too: Recovering hacked/lost accounts
@kolinyaka account, not lost or hacked.

@kolinyaka, has been banned permanently.
At the date of; 24/ months 10/ year 2018.

Link; https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kolinyaka


@kolinyaka, you may be banned from violating any of the Forum's rules.

Link; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036308.msg46088206#msg46088206

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September 28, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
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@kolinyaka, has been banned permanently.
At the date of; 24 months 10 of 2018.
24 months 10 of 2018 ROFL
since 24th october 2018 you mean, it was less than one year ago... not for 2years lol

 
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September 28, 2019, 05:15:24 PM
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I sometimes wonder how do you guys come up with all these reference LOL

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September 28, 2019, 09:18:09 PM
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Good afternoon, I have not appeared on the forum for a long time because I forgot the password from my old account. Now I found him and saw that my character was banned. Can I find out the reason for the ban?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1064517

The main reason of the ban on Bitcointalk is a plagiarism, and based on your posts, you're a Russian speaking user.
In the Russian section moderators often delete posts with a plagiarism.
Check your personal messages - the most recent may contain a notification from the forum bot "Bitcoin Forum" with the subject "Deleted Post".
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September 29, 2019, 11:38:35 AM
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Good afternoon, I have not appeared on the forum for a long time because I forgot the password from my old account. Now I found him and saw that my character was banned. Can I find out the reason for the ban?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1064517

The main reason of the ban on Bitcointalk is a plagiarism, and based on your posts, you're a Russian speaking user.
In the Russian section moderators often delete posts with a plagiarism.
Check your personal messages - the most recent may contain a notification from the forum bot "Bitcoin Forum" with the subject "Deleted Post".

Thanks for your help. Before writing a message here, I studied a topic with a list of banned people in the Russian locale and did not find myself there. Also, I did not find myself in another topic on the ban in the Russian locale.
I was banned before they began to massively search for plagiarism. And I assure you, I have never committed deliberate plagiarism.

I don’t want to take away necessary time from anyone. But I would be humanly grateful if someone told me the reason for my ban.
Sorry for my bad english.
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September 29, 2019, 12:21:22 PM
Last edit: September 29, 2019, 12:53:20 PM by DroomieChikito
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Have did deleted all post on your profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1064517;sa=showPosts ?
I see only 5 posts less on your profile.

when I see on an archived web: https://web.archive.org/web/20190929121358/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1064517;sa=showPosts;start=0
I found a lot of your Russian language post there, let's find your plagiarism self.


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September 29, 2019, 03:31:46 PM
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I'm not sure, but maybe that's why:

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Oбpaтитe внимaниe нa этoт твит https://twitter.com/nuricanocal/status/911298604790419456
Этo вaм нe мeлoчь пo кapмaнaм тыpить Grin
Ecли FDA вce oдoбpят, тo тyзeмyн!
Ктo тaкиe эти FDA и пoчeмy иx блaгocлaвeниe мoжeт пocпocoбcтвoвaть pocтy цeны, этo кaкиe тo шишки из aмepcкoй мeд индycтpии?
Cyдя пo иx poyдмaпy из твиттepa cдвигoв cpoкoв ни кaкиx нeт, вce кaк и былo paньшe.
Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.
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Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.


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September 29, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
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I'm not sure, but maybe that's why:

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Oбpaтитe внимaниe нa этoт твит https://twitter.com/nuricanocal/status/911298604790419456
Этo вaм нe мeлoчь пo кapмaнaм тыpить Grin
Ecли FDA вce oдoбpят, тo тyзeмyн!
Ктo тaкиe эти FDA и пoчeмy иx блaгocлaвeниe мoжeт пocпocoбcтвoвaть pocтy цeны, этo кaкиe тo шишки из aмepcкoй мeд индycтpии?
Cyдя пo иx poyдмaпy из твиттepa cдвигoв cpoкoв ни кaкиx нeт, вce кaк и былo paньшe.
Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.
Original:
Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.
Strictly speaking, you cannot be 100% sure that this is truly an original, because:
Этa cтpaницa в пocлeдний paз былa oтpeдaктиpoвaнa 29 aвгycтa 2019 в 09:46.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, because anyone can make changes to it. If this is the only violation, then a permanent ban is too severe a punishment, IMHO.

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September 29, 2019, 05:05:21 PM
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source, because anyone can make changes to it. If this is the only violation, then a permanent ban is too severe a punishment, IMHO.

On Wikipedia you can go to the page editing history for previous versions of the article and see when a particular text has appeared.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Food_and_Drug_Administration&diff=prev&oldid=72287709
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September 29, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
Last edit: September 29, 2019, 06:15:27 PM by be.open
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source, because anyone can make changes to it. If this is the only violation, then a permanent ban is too severe a punishment, IMHO.

On Wikipedia you can go to the page editing history for previous versions of the article and see when a particular text has appeared.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Food_and_Drug_Administration&diff=prev&oldid=72287709
Interestingly, I did not know about the ability to view the history of edits. Nice try for me and good job for you; and anyway. Smiley

If this is the only violation, then a permanent ban is too severe a punishment, IMHO.

I think the autoban bot is working too well. If he is still to blame for something, I am ready to withdraw my appeal, because I don't know this guy and I can not vouch for him. But if this is the only episode of the offense, then I ask the administrator to mitigate his punishment.

My spirit of freedom protests against the too harsh rigidity of the rules. Just ask yourself if satoshi wanted this kind of rigor in a forum that many have closely associated with bitcoin. Tnx.

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source, because anyone can make changes to it. If this is the only violation, then a permanent ban is too severe a punishment, IMHO.

On Wikipedia you can go to the page editing history for previous versions of the article and see when a particular text has appeared.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Food_and_Drug_Administration&diff=prev&oldid=72287709
Interestingly, I did not know about the ability to view the history of edits. Nice try for me and good job for you; and anyway. Smiley

If the text was created after the date that text from Wikipedia was created then the permaban was wrongly placed but if it was the opposite and he literally just copied the content from Wikipedia then he did really commit plagiarism on his part. And since that the edit history was in Russian I can't really confirm nor deny what post came first whether it was from kolinyaka or from Wikipedia, but judging how the post was copied word for word I doubt that kolinyaka did create his own post and I really doubt that someone just edited a Wikipedia page just to make him look like a plagiarizer here in the forum.


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September 30, 2019, 02:44:24 AM
Last edit: September 30, 2019, 02:59:29 AM by be.open
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If the text was created after the date that text from Wikipedia was created then the permaban was wrongly placed but if it was the opposite and he literally just copied the content from Wikipedia then he did really commit plagiarism on his part.
I looked through the entire history of edits and indeed there is a fact of plagiarism. My speech is not about that now. If this is an isolated case, then the punishment is too strict. As can be seen from this topic, the effect of a temporary signature ban is almost as good for suppressing spam as a permanent ban, but it does not have negative side effects in the form of forming an unnecessary forum association with the Gulag. Smiley

Please stop the autoban bot. Let him continue to work only in the form of a warning and a hint, as an assistant to the moderator, and not as an independent agent making decisions.

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<...> Please stop the autoban bot. Let him continue to work only in the form of a warning and a hint, as an assistant to the moderator, and not as an independent agent making decisions.

The bot compares the forum posts and sends reports to the moderators, but the decisions about bans are made by forum staff.
Most likely that bot isn't looking for plagiarism outside the forum and the member kolinyaka has been banned in 2018 [see info on BPIP.org], long before the bot started working.
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<...> Please stop the autoban bot. Let him continue to work only in the form of a warning and a hint, as an assistant to the moderator, and not as an independent agent making decisions.

The bot compares the forum posts and sends reports to the moderators, but the decisions about bans are made by forum staff.
Most likely that bot isn't looking for plagiarism outside the forum and the member kolinyaka has been banned in 2018 [see info on BPIP.org], long before the bot started working.
Then I don’t understand anything at all. If this is a conscious, consistent policy to permanently ban even single cases of plagiarism, then perhaps this policy should be reviewed? Mass repression has never made a better world. Rome fell when it was too carried away by lawmaking than the barbarians were not burdened. Although, as you know, history teaches only that it does not teach anything. Smiley

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Then I don’t understand anything at all. If this is a conscious, consistent policy to permanently ban even single cases of plagiarism, then perhaps this policy should be reviewed? <...>

In December 2018 a global moderator suggested to make a lesser punishment for a plagiarism instead of a permanent ban, and after that a noticeable improvement has been made.
This year forum members are starting to receive temporary signature bans or completely have been unbanned. The chances of a successful appeal depend on how useful the user was to the forum community.
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Then I don’t understand anything at all. If this is a conscious, consistent policy to permanently ban even single cases of plagiarism, then perhaps this policy should be reviewed? <...>

In December 2018 a global moderator suggested to make a lesser punishment for a plagiarism instead of a permanent ban, and after that a noticeable improvement has been made.
This year forum members are starting to receive temporary signature bans or completely have been unbanned. The chances of a successful appeal depend on how useful the user was to the forum community.
The list of appeals can be viewed here.

How useful? Utilitarism is the disease of all modern civilization, be useful or die. But when all useless dies, will we enjoy living in this uniform world? Smiley

ps I have already said more than this topic deserves it. And the last question is rhetorical, but I answered it for myself. Grin

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I'm not sure, but maybe that's why:

Copy:
Oбpaтитe внимaниe нa этoт твит https://twitter.com/nuricanocal/status/911298604790419456
Этo вaм нe мeлoчь пo кapмaнaм тыpить Grin
Ecли FDA вce oдoбpят, тo тyзeмyн!
Ктo тaкиe эти FDA и пoчeмy иx блaгocлaвeниe мoжeт пocпocoбcтвoвaть pocтy цeны, этo кaкиe тo шишки из aмepcкoй мeд индycтpии?
Cyдя пo иx poyдмaпy из твиттepa cдвигoв cpoкoв ни кaкиx нeт, вce кaк и былo paньшe.
Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.
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Упpaвлeниe пo caнитapнoмy нaдзopy зa кaчecтвoм пищeвыx пpoдyктoв и мeдикaмeнтoв — aгeнтcтвo Mиниcтepcтвa здpaвooxpaнeния и coциaльныx cлyжб CШA, oдин из фeдepaльныx иcпoлнитeльныx дeпapтaмeнтoв.

Isn't that the name of the organization?  Organization names cannot be copied? There is short name and there is and long:



I'm not protecting the guy, I don't care about him. But ban forever because of copying the name of the organization is too much. IMHO.

 
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