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October 02, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
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It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

 
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October 02, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin

I have no answers to why religion is still around but as to why the Left protects Islam over other religions, maybe it's a subconscious want for a strong masculine figure that has slowly been erased in the West? That or the "white guilt" that has been indoctrinated into the masses. Or maybe just virtue signalling, as vegans (which are also most likely Leftists) are wont to do.

Just saw a Jordan Peterson video talk about a woman who find her company's PC stance ridiculous. They want to rename "flipcharts" because it MIGHT be possible offensive to Filipinos.

 
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October 02, 2019, 09:05:02 PM
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If a person doesn't have religion, he is dead, in a coma, or a vegetable. Why? Check out the definition of "religion:"
religion
[ ri-lij-uh n ]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

religions

7. Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

Find the one that fits you. If none other, 5 and 6.

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October 03, 2019, 02:36:43 AM
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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin

I have no answers to why religion is still around but as to why the Left protects Islam over other religions, maybe it's a subconscious want for a strong masculine figure that has slowly been erased in the West? That or the "white guilt" that has been indoctrinated into the masses. Or maybe just virtue signalling, as vegans (which are also most likely Leftists) are wont to do.

Just saw a Jordan Peterson video talk about a woman who find her company's PC stance ridiculous. They want to rename "flipcharts" because it MIGHT be possible offensive to Filipinos.

I think the primary reason it's still around is because many people feel hopeless without it. The fear of what happens after one dies. It's nice to imagine we go somewhere but the only evidence that exists shows that when we die there is nothing. We are a heap of rotting organic matter.

The flipchart reference is ridiculous... it reminds me of the "OK" sign with your hand. Someone, somewhere, somehow declared that making an OK sign with your hand actually represents a white power symbol because you know, you can abstractly see a W and a P when making the hand gesture. Pretty soon breathing will be considered racist.

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I think you know I meant mass organized religion  Smiley

While I don't believe in any one of the thousands of proposed sky fairies I do believe something much larger than us created the universe and the laws that (for the most part) govern its existence. This belief does not come with an instructional booklet on how to behave and treat my neighbors.

 
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October 03, 2019, 03:17:28 AM
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I think you know I meant mass organized religion  Smiley

While I don't believe in any one of the thousands of proposed sky fairies I do believe something much larger than us created the universe and the laws that (for the most part) govern its existence. This belief does not come with an instructional booklet on how to behave and treat my neighbors.

Yet, in mass organized religion, nobody ever believes or understands quite the same. Why not? Because religion is a personal thing. You are talking about something that doesn't really exist, even though it looks like it does.

I don't know of anyone who believes in sky fairies. Some of the children who hear about Peter Pan might come close by believing about Tinkerbell.

Nobody needs an instructional booklet on how to live. It's simple. Just like you don't want some big, mean, gruff person to damage you, essentially nobody else wants that either. Just like you might like a helping hand now and again, most people would like that, as well. The instruction booklet is simple: Do to others as you would have them do to you. Start by finding out how much they want you to leave them alone.

We make all our machines by through observing natural machinery in nature. The fact of the complex universe made out of machines, proves God. Machines have makers.

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October 03, 2019, 04:09:17 AM
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I don't give much credence to that idea that the majority of those who participate in mass worship have distinct individuality and control over their core religious beliefs.

A common denominator is participation in things like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood_Church

While tithes may be voluntary it's clear where a majority of this money actually goes.

Pick their flavor sure... but they're still suckers.

I won't argue that designs and systems in nature help inspire us to invent and create. To call nature or the universe a machine however... somewhat of a chaotic machine don't you think? One that actually breaks it's own patterns and laws in different situations.

This is something that seems to come naturally to our brains. Seeing patterns and associations where they dont belong. Like a face in a wall outlet, or animals in the clouds.

Here's a question. When you see the results of a devastating natural disaster on social media or a news site and a thousands of people comment "sending prayers", are they really doing anything? Or simply satiating their own desire to "serve" as they perceive it.

 
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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin
I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin
I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.


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October 03, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin
I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.
Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

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Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

Islam bad; Muslim hypocrite.

Islam tell Muslim kill other people - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Islam bad.

Muslim hypocrite. Muslim say Islam good, but not obey Islam; not kill other people. Muslim want peace. Muslim not want Islam violence. Muslim not good Islam person. Muslim hypocrite.

ISIS good Muslim. ISIS obey Islam. ISIS do violence like Islam say to do.

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Islam is RIGHT about women?  Grin
I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.
Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

This is true. I did not intend to paint all religious people as bad. There are extremists in almost every space. Any time you are using religious teachings to harm others in any way you're doing it wrong. Any time religious text tells you some subset or group of people are inferior to you, you're doing it wrong.

A point I want to make is that religion is not required to do good in this world. You can point to examples where specific churches may have helped with disaster relief or building homes for the poor, but we can accomplish these same feats without using religion as the justification to help others. Help other humans because you care about humanity not because some ancient text tells you to do so, or else.

 
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Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

Islam bad; Muslim hypocrite.

Islam tell Muslim kill other people - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Islam bad.

Muslim hypocrite. Muslim say Islam good, but not obey Islam; not kill other people. Muslim want peace. Muslim not want Islam violence. Muslim not good Islam person. Muslim hypocrite.

ISIS good Muslim. ISIS obey Islam. ISIS do violence like Islam say to do.

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Terrorist : Islam people + Non Islam people

ISIS : From US to make some bad thing about Islam

I am a Muslim and I never taught about we need to kill someone,Islam is peace not violence...

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Everyone in this world looking for their own benefits so they are hiding under the religious thing,in my places Muslims and all other religious people were living in peace so why we see Islam as good but some Muslims are bad.We cannot oppose everyone just because of 10% doing the things in wrong way.

Islam bad; Muslim hypocrite.

Islam tell Muslim kill other people - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Islam bad.

Muslim hypocrite. Muslim say Islam good, but not obey Islam; not kill other people. Muslim want peace. Muslim not want Islam violence. Muslim not good Islam person. Muslim hypocrite.

ISIS good Muslim. ISIS obey Islam. ISIS do violence like Islam say to do.

Cool
Terrorist : Islam people + Non Islam people

ISIS : From US to make some bad thing about Islam

I am a Muslim and I never taught about we need to kill someone,Islam is peace not violence...

How can you be Islamic Muslim if you don't do what your religion says? Islam is peace towards other Muslims, and it might be some form of neutrality towards Christians and Jews, but it is violence to others. See https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Sounds like you don't even know what your religion is.

ISIS was not from the US. ISIS is Muslims living according to Islam - https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx - being helped by the US to live their religion rather than disobey... it like you are disobeying.

Terrorist = https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorist?s=t.
Terrorism = https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

Anybody can be a terrorist. But when a religion formally includes terrorism as part of its doctrine, and a directive for its followers to do, then the whole religion is terrorism. Islam is terrorism (see the links, above).

Maybe you are not Muslim, but only think you are.

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EDIT: Of course, since Islam says that a Muslim can be deceptive with the infidels of other religions, maybe you are living your religion, after all.

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AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

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1. shahada: To bear witness that there's no god but Allah,the only one God with no one associated to Him & to bear witness that Muhammad may Allah grant Him with peace & blessings is His prophet & servant.

2. pray to God (five times a day).


3. fast the month of Ramadan.

4. Alms giving: to give money to poor (called zakat)

5. go to hajj(piligrimage to Mecca where the ka'aba is)
so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

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AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

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1. shahada: To bear witness that there's no god but Allah,the only one God with no one associated to Him & to bear witness that Muhammad may Allah grant Him with peace & blessings is His prophet & servant.

2. pray to God (five times a day).


3. fast the month of Ramadan.

4. Alms giving: to give money to poor (called zakat)

5. go to hajj(piligrimage to Mecca where the ka'aba is)
so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

If only all other Muslims were like you and followed those points and nothing else. Most of them follow this strange belief that they are somehow better than other religions and that it's their purpose on Earth to make those non-believers believe in Allah. This is the foundation of everything wrong with Islam.

Live and let others live!

 
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AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

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1. shahada: To bear witness that there's no god but Allah,the only one God with no one associated to Him & to bear witness that Muhammad may Allah grant Him with peace & blessings is His prophet & servant.

2. pray to God (five times a day).


3. fast the month of Ramadan.

4. Alms giving: to give money to poor (called zakat)

5. go to hajj(piligrimage to Mecca where the ka'aba is)
so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

If only all other Muslims were like you and followed those points and nothing else. Most of them follow this strange belief that they are somehow better than other religions and that it's their purpose on Earth to make those non-believers believe in Allah. This is the foundation of everything wrong with Islam.

Live and let others live!
Actually influencers changing the real fact into benefitable thing for them,trust me Islam taught these five things only to do be a complete Muslim.

Finally yes,"Live and let others live".

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People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

 
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AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

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1. shahada: To bear witness that there's no god but Allah,the only one God with no one associated to Him & to bear witness that Muhammad may Allah grant Him with peace & blessings is His prophet & servant.

2. pray to God (five times a day).


3. fast the month of Ramadan.

4. Alms giving: to give money to poor (called zakat)

5. go to hajj(piligrimage to Mecca where the ka'aba is)
so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

If only all other Muslims were like you and followed those points and nothing else. Most of them follow this strange belief that they are somehow better than other religions and that it's their purpose on Earth to make those non-believers believe in Allah. This is the foundation of everything wrong with Islam.

Live and let others live!
Actually influencers changing the real fact into benefitable thing for them,trust me Islam taught these five things only to do be a complete Muslim.

Finally yes,"Live and let others live".

So, you stay nice and ignorant about Islam, because this allows you to be a Muslim (for what purpose, nobody can guess).

Then the cleric comes to you all and says, "Time for Jihad. Kill all the infidels around you."

You decide on peace, and disobey the cleric.

Then the cleric says, "All faithful Muslims, listen to me. Kill all the unfaithful Muslims who won't Jihad, because they are really against us."

Suddenly you are not a Muslim even though you have been telling yourself all along that you were. Or would you suddenly start becoming a real Muslim?


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It's all about schooling. Young people are easily influenced and when young people are not allowed to interact freely and brainwashed towards some ideas, they carry it to their life.
Even if we ourselves feel like I'm Independent of any propaganda,  we all are to some extent influenced by our media and our society. The one and only solution is sharing ideas and experience without bias.
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AFAIK,only we need to do 5 things to be a muslim.

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1. shahada: To bear witness that there's no god but Allah,the only one God with no one associated to Him & to bear witness that Muhammad may Allah grant Him with peace & blessings is His prophet & servant.

2. pray to God (five times a day).


3. fast the month of Ramadan.

4. Alms giving: to give money to poor (called zakat)

5. go to hajj(piligrimage to Mecca where the ka'aba is)
so I am a muslim and I dont need to know all the things wrote on Quaran.

Like you said I don't have much belief in life after death and all I want to be a good one everyone.You can call it as your religion but I say it as my religion (Islam).

If only all other Muslims were like you and followed those points and nothing else. Most of them follow this strange belief that they are somehow better than other religions and that it's their purpose on Earth to make those non-believers believe in Allah. This is the foundation of everything wrong with Islam.

Live and let others live!
Actually influencers changing the real fact into benefitable thing for them,trust me Islam taught these five things only to do be a complete Muslim.

Finally yes,"Live and let others live".

So, you stay nice and ignorant about Islam, because this allows you to be a Muslim (for what purpose, nobody can guess).

Then the cleric comes to you all and says, "Time for Jihad. Kill all the infidels around you."

You decide on peace, and disobey the cleric.

Then the cleric says, "All faithful Muslims, listen to me. Kill all the unfaithful Muslims who won't Jihad, because they are really against us."

Suddenly you are not a Muslim even though you have been telling yourself all along that you were. Or would you suddenly start becoming a real Muslim?


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So cleric your mentioning is Prophet Muhammed? He is the one told muslims to follow five things and like I said there is no need to follow all the things told by anyone just beyourself and don't hurt others.If you want to go to heaven do more things than bad.

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