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October 04, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
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Given that am not involved in any way with Dune project, decided to create this topic because I found myself derailing Tezos official ann thread and don't want to repeat this behaviour again.

In short words, from my understanding, Dune is a fork 1:1 of Tezos network meaning at Tezos block height 600,000, occurred on September 9, 2019, every Tezos holder was airdropped Dune tokens at 1:1 ratio.
 
Am not a tech savvy so I might be incorrect in defining it a fork: they refer themselves as " a novel platform for distributed applications... started with its own genesis block on June 24, 2019... uses an extended version of Tezos' open-source software" on their main site.
Anyway here are some useful links for the ones who wants to look deeper into Dune Network project:


Website: https://dune.network
Explorer: https://dunscan.io
FAQ's: https://dune.network/faq.html
Guides: https://dune.network/docs/
Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/JBUGqFg
Community trading channel: https://t.me/dun_trader https://t.me/DunTrader
Telegram: https://t.me/dune_network

edit : updated with the new telegram OTC trader group.

Going to lock this thread after this edit as I think it's better every comment/traffic are kept in main thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205855.0

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October 05, 2019, 08:11:58 AM
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Given that am not involved in any way with Dune project, decided to create this topic because I found myself derailing Tezos official ann thread and don't want to repeat this behaviour again.

In short words, from my understanding, Dune is a fork 1:1 of Tezos network meaning at Tezos block height 600,000, occurred on June 24, 2019, every Tezos holder was airdropped Dune tokens at 1:1 ratio.
 
Am not a tech savvy so I might be incorrect in defining it a fork: they refer themselves as " a novel platform for distributed applications... started with its own genesis block on June 24, 2019... uses an extended version of Tezos' open-source software" on their main site.
Anyway here are some useful links for the ones who wants to look deeper into Dune Network project:


Website: https://dune.network
Explorer: https://dunscan.io
FAQ's: https://dune.network/faq.html
Guides: https://dune.network/docs/
Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/JBUGqFg
Community trading channel: https://t.me/dun_trader
Telegram: https://t.me/dune_network



So does it mean that Tezos network will no longer be used or the chain be used side by side . Tezos is still on coinmarket cap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tezos/ but there is no sign of dune.

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October 05, 2019, 08:42:12 AM
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So does it mean that Tezos network will no longer be used or the chain be used side by side . Tezos is still on coinmarket cap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tezos/ but there is no sign of dune.

It doesn't absolutely mean that : Tezos is stably in top 20 coins for capitalizazione on CMC , there is an ongoing and restless development, they have been listed in a growing number of exchange last of which is Binance ( whee btw they were listed for free as per Tezos project policy) and their adoption is constantly growing.


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So does it mean that Tezos network will no longer be used or the chain be used side by side . Tezos is still on coinmarket cap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tezos/ but there is no sign of dune.

It doesn't absolutely mean that : Tezos is stably in top 20 coins for capitalizazione on CMC , there is an ongoing and restless development, they have been listed in a growing number of exchange last of which is Binance ( whee btw they were listed for free as per Tezos project policy) and their adoption is constantly growing.



So what is the update on Dune regarding listing on coinmarket cap ?
Why would anyone be interested in Dune when Tezos is already performing well.

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October 20, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
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Dune team started updating their community on a weekly basis on their Medium channel; here it is a list of all weekly articles
#Week2
#Week3
#Week4
#Week5
And the last one
#Week6

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October 20, 2019, 07:35:37 PM
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I tried to find the info in the Whitepaper, but could not see it covered there. If the the Dune tokens were airdropped to Tezos holders, it means that the dev team did not get any funds. Where will the dev team get funds for development as the platform looks very complex.
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I tried to find the info in the Whitepaper, but could not see it covered there. If the the Dune tokens were airdropped to Tezos holders, it means that the dev team did not get any funds. Where will the dev team get funds for development as the platform looks very complex.

In landing page of website linked in opening post (https://dune.network) you can find the link to their whitepaper.
You are right about the fact that no ICO/IEO took place so no money collected.
Cannot answer about the financial resources of the team.
What I know is the team behind Dune project is a French engineering group, OcamlPro, which is the team who initially worked at Tezos development. Then they parted from Tezos Foundation for some, let's call them, misunderstandings and created Dune.

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The Dune Network is a novel platform for distributed applications over a blockchain. Dune Network is not a hard-fork of the Tezos ledger. It started with its own genesis block on June 24, 2019, but uses an extended version of Tezos' open-source software as a basis to create a new platform with a focus on the easy development of distributed applications, thanks to multiple programming languages and communication technologies with other blockchains.

Not a hard fork as said on their site. How can they fund projects if there was no ICO? Nice way to avoid SEC though.

I tried to find the info in the Whitepaper, but could not see it covered there. If the the Dune tokens were airdropped to Tezos holders, it means that the dev team did not get any funds. Where will the dev team get funds for development as the platform looks very complex.

Nothing was mentioned in the whitepaper but I suppose they would also have this treasury which funds will be minted from the transaction fees. Something derived from the ADA project I guess. Looks pretty big project but the link to the foundation isn't working.

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October 26, 2019, 10:38:12 AM
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Here is a link to last weekly Dune community update:

#Week7

Amongst the news $DUN listed on CoinGecko

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November 04, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
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Another weekly update released by Dune team



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Ninth weekly update from Dune team is out.


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Another weekly update delivered in a timely manner:



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November 22, 2019, 10:45:49 AM
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There are rumours/fud/speculations/allegations/evidences on social medias about Dune team, or someone from dune team, dumping their $DUN on the market.
DUNE team is currently investigating what happened; in the meanwhile they removed temporarily Fabien Dureuil from his role either in Dune Network and Stairchain Capital.

https://twitter.com/dune_network/status/1197542955369848836



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As I understood this is unofficial fork of Tezos? And Tezos team dont have any relation to this fork (or may be just part of former Tezos team created this token like this were with Proxima and Nem?
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As I understood this is unofficial fork of Tezos? And Tezos team dont have any relation to this fork (or may be just part of former Tezos team created this token like this were with Proxima and Nem?

Tezos software is open source so everyone can make a copy (fork) it; wouldn't call it official fork.
And no, there is no connections/relations between the two teams (apart from the leadership of OcamlPro team that was initially employed in the development of the tezos project and then decided to abandon and fork it launching Dune project) : I'd say there is a bit of rivalry between the two teams for what I can understand and that rivalry is much greater between the two communities.

Anyway if you are interested in reading much more details than the ones I can provide there is a very interesting read, in my opinion, here : https://medium.com/tezoscommons/a-cautionary-tale-ocamlpro-65d692af09f8


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As I understood this is unofficial fork of Tezos? And Tezos team dont have any relation to this fork (or may be just part of former Tezos team created this token like this were with Proxima and Nem?

Tezos software is open source so everyone can make a copy (fork) it; wouldn't call it official fork.
And no, there is no connections/relations between the two teams (apart from the leadership of OcamlPro team that was initially employed in the development of the tezos project and then decided to abandon and fork it launching Dune project) : I'd say there is a bit of rivalry between the two teams for what I can understand and that rivalry is much greater between the two communities.

Anyway if you are interested in reading much more details than the ones I can provide there is a very interesting read, in my opinion, here : https://medium.com/tezoscommons/a-cautionary-tale-ocamlpro-65d692af09f8



But what sense in creating another one copy of existed coin? May be competition is good, but not when this is the same product. There are a lot of ways to create something new and useful ...
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November 29, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
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Dune Foundation released an official report regarding the allegations made to a member of their team, Fabien Dureuil , about not respecting the one year locking period of preallocated tokens for his personal benefit:

https://twitter.com/dune_network/status/1199643070066778112


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Dune Foundation Report
Possible misconduct of a team member
November 27th, 2019

Abstract
Last week, the Dune Foundation heard of allegations regarding one member of the
Dune Network teams, Fabien Dureuil, spreading on social media. These allegations
were reporting that:
- the Team Member did not follow the one-year locking period for preallocated tokens and sold parts of his tokens;
- the Team Member used these tokens for personal benefit.
As of today, some rules appear to not have been respected by the Member of the
team. This is a matter of importance for the community, but also for the Foundation.
We have already taken some decisions to avoid this kind of issues in the future, like
locking all pre-allocated tokens. We also identified some improvements to be
implemented in the coming weeks to help the Dune Network going forward.

Summary
Abstract... 2
1. Introduction to the report .............................................................................. 4
2. Context ... 4
2.1. Project genesis ............................................................................... ...... 4
2.2. Project organisation ............................................................................. 5
3. Findings ... 5
3.1. One-year locking period ...................................................................... 5
3.2. Purpose of the transfers...................................................................... .. 5
4. Impact on the network ............................................................................... ... 6
4.1. The network size ............................................................................... ... 6
4.2. The low liquidity...................................................................... ............. 6
5. First decisions...................................................................... .......................... 6
5.1. Locking period ............................................................................... ...... 6
5.2. Account management .......................................................................... 6
5.3. Member exclusion...................................................................... .......... 7
6. Zaddex and DuneDex........................................................................ ............ 7
7. Areas of improvement.................................................................... ............... 7
Contact ... 8


1. Introduction to the report
As soon as they became aware of the allegations on social media, the Dune
Foundation members met to discuss these facts on Thursday November 21, 2019
and Friday November 22, 2019. During a meeting held on Monday November 25,
2019, the Dune Foundation, which took these allegations seriously, decided to issue
this report.
Transparency is one of the main features of a public blockchain, through which
everyone is able to monitor transactions made on the network. Since Dune Network
is a public blockchain, anyone can inspect any transaction made on the network.
Thus, any potential misconduct may raise questions.
The Dune Foundation’s first role is to develop Dune Network, to protect its
independence and to protect its community. Therefore, the responsibility of the
Dune Foundation is to address any concern, by bringing forward the appropriate
information to the community.
The redaction of the report is within the competence of the Dune Foundation.
This report’s purpose is to disclose the findings of the internal investigation, to
evidence the potential failures of the different stakeholders and to suggest
improvements in the Dune Network’s governance.

2. Context
        2.1.     Project genesis

To offer a good and comprehensive picture before going through these elements, it
appears useful to give some context: the Dune Network project was initially created
by Starchain Capital, an investment fund in the blockchain ecosystem, and Origin
Labs, a blockchain software company. The project was funded by selling 5% of the
tokens to private investors, and the funds, collected by the Dune Foundation, were
used (1) to develop the software and infrastructure and (2) to develop the ecosystem.
The Foundation, together with Origin Labs and Starchain Capital, decided not to
conduct any ICO to collect funds. Tokens of the Dune Network (DUN) were
airdropped, for free, to each Tezos account, according to its stake in the network.
The Foundation’s goal has always been to create long lasting value, instead of
collecting funds from the public.
As an incentive, and a possible future reward for their contribution to the project,
the development team (Origin Labs) and the funding team (Starchain) both received
pre-allocated tokens. When mentioning this pre-allocation, the Whitepaper states
that "The tokens allocated to the Development and Business teams are contractually
locked until September 2020."
Though Origin Labs is mostly focused on Dune Network, Starchain Capital follows
an independent activity from Dune Network, with investments in many projects not
related to Dune Network.
2.2. Project organisation
The project is managed by the Dune Foundation. The Dune Foundation president is
Fabrice Le Fessant and the co-president is Cyril Paglino.
The Dune Foundation works closely with Origin Labs and Starchain Capital, each
contributing its own expertise to develop the project. Each team remains
independent and the Foundation’s role is to coordinate the work.
This work breakdown may have led to miscomprehension and, therefore, to the
facts denounced on the social media.

3. Findings
        3.1. One-year locking period

The first allegation was that the Team Member, Fabien Dureuil, did not obey the
one-year locking period for pre-allocated tokens. Indeed, it happens that the
contract and statement in the white-paper are ambiguous. When receiving their
pre-allocated tokens, Starchain Capital decided to keep an account of 8 million
DUN (1% of the total supply) unallocated to any of its team members, and to use it
to help and incentivize projects in the ecosystem.
Compared to other blockchain projects funded through huge ICOs, the Dune
Foundation received very little initial funding, it is actually a good initiative by a
founding partner to use a part of their pre-allocated tokens to support the
ecosystem, in the limit that the usage of these tokens can be checked and confirmed
in the sole benefit of the project.
However, this early use of these tokens independently of the Dune Foundation
raises a doubt on the locking period for the rest of the pre-allocated tokens. We can
affirm without any doubt that the other founders of the project, either the
engineering team or the business team fully control their pre-allocated tokens, and
that they didn’t sell them or transfer them to a third party.
        3.2. Purpose of the transfers
The second allegation was that the Team Member sold the pre-allocated tokens for
personal benefit. We reviewed all the transfers done from the 8 million DUNs
account (KT1NwrTJhKZ6GB8Sq4Dx3cbaM1WPJJRniYGz) by the Team Member on
behalf of Starchain Capital. We found the following elements from the provided
explanations:
• The account still holds 1.8 million DUNs unspent;
• 3 million DUNs were granted to important contributors in the ecosystem
(start-ups, bakers, external and internal collaborators);
• 1.5 million DUNs were sold to projects in the ecosystem, for a value of
36kUSD, i.e. 0.024 USD per token. The received money/token were used to
pay internal contributors and external contributors/developments to the
project;
• For 1.8 million transferred DUNs, the Team Member has not provided any
details yet.
Though we expect the remaining transfers to be in the benefit of ecosystem, we
could not get confirmation for the moment without additional details from the team
member.
For the 4 million DUNs sent from KT1NG8cE6SyBA56UGjT1LzJ6jiPr5jdWuYJc, the
destination address belongs to the team: it’s one of the bakers set up for investors’
tokens.

4. Impact on the network
The financial impact of the above-mentioned transactions is expected to be
marginal for various reasons.
        4.1. The network size
The network is live since September 11, 2019. The circulating supply, to date, is
811.7 million DUNs. The unexplained transactions represent a volume of 1.8 million
DUNs, and the project financing transactions account for 1.5 million DUNs,
respectively 0.22% and 0.18% of the total volume.
        4.2. The low liquidity
We want Dune Network to be valuable before the DUNs being evaluated and sold.
The current low liquidity prevents both a pump and a dump, since there are
difficulties to trade important volumes of DUNs at the moment.

5. First decisions
        5.1. Locking period

As a consequence, and as announced in a previous statement, the Dune Foundation
has decided to lock all remaining pre-allocated tokens within smart-contracts on
the blockchain, vested progressively over a period of 4 years. This operation should
happen within the next weeks, the time to write, review and deploy the smart
contracts.
We will publish a list of the locked addresses and the corresponding balances,
allowing everyone to audit the smart contracts and to verify that we comply with our
commitments.
The tokens belonging to the Foundation will not be locked, as their role is to support
the ecosystem.
        5.2. Account management
The Team Member’s actions were made possible by a lack of control on the preallocated token accounts by the Foundation.
We are currently working on a collegial decision-making process to ensure the
tokens allocated to the Dune Foundation will be spent with the sole purpose of
developing the project and its ecosystem.
        5.3. Member exclusion
The Dune Foundation has decided not to collaborate anymore with the Team
Member who initiated these transactions, without proper accounting and
coordination.

6. Zaddex and DuneDex
In addition to the allegations made on social media, the Dune Foundation also got
some details regarding Zaddex and DuneDex. The first one is a former project of
the Team Member. The second one is also led and negotiated by the Team Member
on behalf of his own company.
For the Dune Foundation, the Team Member used the image of the Dune Network
to advertise for unrelated projects like Zaddex buyback. The Dune Foundation is not
affiliated in any way to Zaddex project or promises made by this Team Member.
The Dune Foundation does not support Zaddex, either technically or financially, and
has not taken any decision yet concerning the possibility to create a decentralized
exchange on Dune Network. Any eventual connection between Zaddex and
DuneDex has been solely decided by the Team Member without discussing it with
the Dune Foundation or with the teams working on the Dune Network project.

7. Areas of improvement
According to our findings, there are ways to improve the project’s governance.
Solely relying on the blockchain as a trust space is not enough because conducting
a real business requires more than trust. We need to implement compliance
processes.
Our contract management should also be improved. We will hire the necessary
advisors and staff to perform a legal due diligence and improve the legal framework
of the network, since it appears that the Whitepaper wasn’t as clear as we wanted
it to be.
We will come back in the next weeks to let the community know of the decisions
that have been taken to improve the governance and the transparency of the Dune
Network.
In Paris, November 27th, 2019
Dune Foundation
By Fabrice Le Fessant, its President


Contact
Fabrice Le Fessant
President of the Dune Foundation
contact@dune.network

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November 30, 2019, 05:37:48 PM
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Hi Hopenotlate!

Many thanks for this thread, as requested here is a link to our new official Ann Smiley !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205855.msg53223521#msg53223521
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With the new week here is the consequent weekly update.




#Week13

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March 27, 2020, 11:16:38 PM
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nice, cool project! where can i buy coins?

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Looking for a Dune delegation service??

http://bake.twentemining.nl still has a lot of space and a solid track record when it comes to baking and paying!
Right now TwenteBaking has an effective efficiency of ~101.5%!

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seems that a part of this thread has disappeared between december and yesterday.
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seems that a part of this thread has disappeared between december and yesterday.

what's missing? maybe its on page 1?
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seems that a part of this thread has disappeared between december and yesterday.

what's missing? maybe its on page 1?
meanwhile it has been re-established with 3 pages, then again now only 2 pages.
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March 29, 2020, 03:58:33 PM
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I wasn't aware.
I added the current state to the Internet Archive - Wayback Machine. So in the future we'll know Wink
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seems that a part of this thread has disappeared between december and yesterday.

what's missing? maybe its on page 1?
meanwhile it has been re-established with 3 pages, then again now only 2 pages.

hehehe hey there bud,

I guess you are mixing this thread, I created long ago because there wasn't a Dune thread on this forum yet, with the official one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205855.0

created in a latter time by an official ( I think) Dune team representative.

If it's the case just let me know and I will manage to close this one to avoid further confusion.

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Looking for a Dune delegation service??

http://bake.twentemining.nl still has a lot of space and a solid track record when it comes to baking and paying!
Right now TwenteBaking has an effective efficiency of ~101.5%!

7.5% Fee
100%++ Efficiency
Never missed a bake, endorsement or payout!
No freeze period.
Instant, automated payouts


https://dunscan.io/dn3N3iH6bgDDje5SMikTWu1AeHRVXExynNqX

```dn3N3iH6bgDDje5SMikTWu1AeHRVXExynNqX```

IF YOU DELEGATED to TwenteBaking BEFORE 08-02-2020, Please Move you delegation over to the new address. Check the website for information

This is not official Dune thread, maybe you should better post your announcement on official thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205855.msg53223521#msg53223521

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Going to lock this thread after OP edit as I think it's better every comment/traffic being kept in official thread :

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205855.0

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