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October 08, 2019, 10:24:14 AM
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What Trump says and what he means is very difficult to understand as he痴 withdrawn US forces from Syria which has allowed Turkey to attack Kurdish led forces, and at the same time he has warned Turkey of destroying their economy if they attack. In his tweets he said he値l take action if he considers the action of Turkey as off limits, now what does off limits exactly mean? no one knows for sure. I have always been an avid supporter of Trump, but I知 not backing him on this decision as Kurdish led forces will suffer horrible deaths because of his decision to withdraw. What are your views on his decision to withdraw US forces, do you値l think he could have handled the situation better?.

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October 08, 2019, 11:02:20 AM
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This is a deliberate move of US to let Turkey occupy the Syrian Kurd area. As for US, US force cannot stay there indefinitely and Kurd is an insignificant population without a nation and not a useful ally for the US. Letting Turkey march on Kurd would bring Turkey in favor of US while deteriorating the relation between Syria/Russia and Turkey.
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October 08, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
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These are all games for the US. Watch the movie "Lord of war" and you 'll understand why the US do these things.

Long story short, the US can't survive in a peaceful world. They need wars and lots of gun sales to keep their economy running healthy.

USA is arming both the Kurds and Turkey. They want them to fight forever.

Everybody knows USA created ISIS as well. People in Europe also see the shit USA trying to pull and how it is going to harm the Europeans as they already suffer from it, that's why Trump is also threatening Europe as well.




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October 08, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
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These are all games for the US. Watch the movie "Lord of war" and you 'll understand why the US do these things.

Long story short, the US can't survive in a peaceful world. They need wars and lots of gun sales to keep their economy running healthy.

USA is arming both the Kurds and Turkey. They want them to fight forever.

Everybody knows USA created ISIS as well. People in Europe also see the shit USA trying to pull and how it is going to harm the Europeans as they already suffer from it, that's why Trump is also threatening Europe as well.

This isn't true in the least.

The US has a military to use strategically. I would think that most people know this by now, but for people that dont -- the US uses their military to get favorable trade deals with other nations, to get their companies into other countries, to sway politicians towards American causes, and so on and so forth.

The US has bases in other countries to employ the locals in the area -- it's a way to get local politicans and then people past them on their side. It's a way to get American interests thought of in other nations.

It's a lot of leverage when you can tell a nation you're going to be shutting down the bases in their city that employs a large portion of people in that city and then helps the city survive through food purchases, electricity, etc.

The US plays the game. Just like any other country in the world.




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October 08, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
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Donald Trump is a man of his words, whether right or wrong he speaks and acts, and Turkey should try as much as possible to make sure Isis did not come back I'm sure Turkey can remember Andrew Brunson events of 2017/2018. When Turkey lira was crumbling down   
due to America's sanctions for arresting just a single citizen of their

 
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October 08, 2019, 05:25:39 PM
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This isn't true in the least.
It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.


The US has a military to use strategically. I would think that most people know this by now, but for people that dont -- the US uses their military to get favorable trade deals with other nations, to get their companies into other countries, to sway politicians towards American causes, and so on and so forth.
The US has bases in other countries to employ the locals in the area -- it's a way to get local politicans and then people past them on their side. It's a way to get American interests thought of in other nations.
It's a lot of leverage when you can tell a nation you're going to be shutting down the bases in their city that employs a large portion of people in that city and then helps the city survive through food purchases, electricity, etc.

The US have their bases in various ares of the world indeed but this is not related to the topic of discussion.

The US plays the game. Just like any other country in the world.

I never said they didn't. Of course they'll act and do whatever in their best interest. Just like the other side also will. Let's see how it will end, this time. I also must add, the US doesn't have many friends left around the globe. You know what they say: "A man without friends is a man without power." USA made lots of enemies. Do you think Japan is your friend? I bet you do.




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October 08, 2019, 09:32:29 PM
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Donald Trump is a man of his words

What planet are you living on?



This is a deliberate move of US to let Turkey occupy the Syrian Kurd area.

I don't think deliberate is the right word here.  He decided to do it at the end of a phone call with Turkey without even giving a heads up to the chiefs of staff or pentagon.

There's still a good chance this was just an attempt at controlling the headlines and he'll quietly just stay in Syria like most of Congress wants (both sides).  Just like he did a few months ago.  Sadly, the difference is this time he gave Turkey a green light to slaughter a bunch of people they've been dying to slaughter for decades.  
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Don't you find it funny that they are invading a country and the UN does nothing? They are supposed to guard human rights. The most basic human right is to live in peace on your own land and not to worry that a missile might fall on your head or a soldier from another country marches into your house and shoots you in bed.
Sometimes I feel like the strong are using the weak like a training ground to test their soldiers and equipment in a real conflict. That's all they want and it doesn't matter how many people will die in the process.

 
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This is a deliberate move of US to let Turkey occupy the Syrian Kurd area. As for US, US force cannot stay there indefinitely and Kurd is an insignificant population without a nation and not a useful ally for the US. Letting Turkey march on Kurd would bring Turkey in favor of US while deteriorating the relation between Syria/Russia and Turkey.

No. Kurds are the only who'll suffer. It's a win win for other powers. Turkey and Iraq would get rid of Kurd separatist. Syria would get back it's land occupied by the Kurds.
It's a deliberate move from the US, Russia, Turkey, Syria and Iraq to get rid of a problem in the Levant area, i.e. Kurds.

 
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October 09, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
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The Kurds are the most deserving and the most sacrificed for the final victory over ISIL.
Trump has now dismissed them as an ''old rag'' because he no longer wants to spend American money on pointless wars, he claims.
His "America First" policy and ''I don't care about others'' will destroy the world order and America will lose their position as leader of the free world.
Turkey and Russia will impose their goals on the Middle East and change the relationship of political forces.
EU and world will just watch and complain, America will remain silent and we will see another massacre in Syria.




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October 09, 2019, 06:03:53 PM
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What Trump says and what he means is very difficult to understand as he痴 withdrawn US forces from Syria which has allowed Turkey to attack Kurdish led forces, and at the same time he has warned Turkey of destroying their economy if they attack. In his tweets he said he値l take action if he considers the action of Turkey as off limits, now what does off limits exactly mean? no one knows for sure. I have always been an avid supporter of Trump, but I知 not backing him on this decision as Kurdish led forces will suffer horrible deaths because of his decision to withdraw. What are your views on his decision to withdraw US forces, do you値l think he could have handled the situation better?.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49966216

So dumb actions from Trump.
Turkey is now 25 kilometers inside Syria and they have started killing Kurds, a major barrier for ISIS. I wonder what it is going on to Syria and it seems like they enforce ISIS. Thank you Turkey.

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So this is pretty much how the media and how people work right now.

If Trump does something (doesn't matter what it is) it's wrong and he should've done the opposite. This is literally orange man bad line of thinking right now.

We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.




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October 09, 2019, 06:38:06 PM
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We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.

War in the middle east is a lot more complicated than you think.  There are plenty of good reasons to stay.  And plenty of good reasons to leave.  

Nobody wants to keep fighting over there forever.  But, Trumps decision to basically give Turkey a green light to slaughter the Kurds could very well help Isis more than anyone, and if they manage to regroup and organize themselves, it will be a problem that we will have to deal with again either over there or over here.
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We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.

War in the middle east is a lot more complicated than you think.  There are plenty of good reasons to stay.  And plenty of good reasons to leave.  

Nobody wants to keep fighting over there forever.  But, Trumps decision to basically give Turkey a green light to slaughter the Kurds could very well help Isis more than anyone, and if they manage to regroup and organize themselves, it will be a problem that we will have to deal with again either over there or over here.


Well here's the decision we have to make as a country.

Either stay in the middle east and continue to fight wars over their.

Or leave.

That's it. It's pretty simple to me. Because we either stay or we dont.




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October 09, 2019, 07:44:13 PM
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We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.

War in the middle east is a lot more complicated than you think.  There are plenty of good reasons to stay.  And plenty of good reasons to leave.  

Nobody wants to keep fighting over there forever.  But, Trumps decision to basically give Turkey a green light to slaughter the Kurds could very well help Isis more than anyone, and if they manage to regroup and organize themselves, it will be a problem that we will have to deal with again either over there or over here.


Well here's the decision we have to make as a country.

Either stay in the middle east and continue to fight wars over their.

Or leave.

That's it. It's pretty simple to me. Because we either stay or we dont.

fyi, that's not what Trump is doing.  He's not pulling out of the middle east, or even Syria or evening bringing any troops home.  He's just moving about 100 of them out of North Syria to make way for Turkish attacks.  

Basically Turkey said "we want to attack the Kurds and secure a 20 by 100 mile area in North Syria" and Trump said "ok".

His whole "We've wasted too much money, this war needs to end!" rant is just to distract from what's actually happening.
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October 09, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
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We don't need to be in tons and tons of foreign wars for no fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd want to leave most of the countries that we have troops stationed in cause they server no purpose and they're a HUGE drain on government funds.

Let Trump leave Syria and let it be. It's not our problem anyway.

War in the middle east is a lot more complicated than you think.  There are plenty of good reasons to stay.  And plenty of good reasons to leave.  

Nobody wants to keep fighting over there forever.  But, Trumps decision to basically give Turkey a green light to slaughter the Kurds could very well help Isis more than anyone, and if they manage to regroup and organize themselves, it will be a problem that we will have to deal with again either over there or over here.


Well here's the decision we have to make as a country.

Either stay in the middle east and continue to fight wars over their.

Or leave.

That's it. It's pretty simple to me. Because we either stay or we dont.

fyi, that's not what Trump is doing.  He's not pulling out of the middle east, or even Syria or evening bringing any troops home.  He's just moving about 100 of them out of North Syria to make way for Turkish attacks.  

Basically Turkey said "we want to attack the Kurds and secure a 20 by 100 mile area in North Syria" and Trump said "ok".

His whole "We've wasted too much money, this war needs to end!" rant is just to distract from what's actually happening.

I don't think that Trump is willingly moving Trumps to hurt an ally, I don't think that's something any President would do -- nor do I think the military would be on board and I think we'd know about it pretty quickly.

Where did the troops move to if you don't mind me asking if you'd know that-- or are these people coming home? If there people are coming home, I think Trump is right  and this is fair to do. If the troops are going to another base for no reason, then you're (and the people that are shitting on his decision) and others are right.

I do think that we should leave the middle east, but hawks will disagree with me.




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October 09, 2019, 10:56:31 PM
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This isn't true in the least.
It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.,,,
He does not need to prove your assertions are false.

You didn't provide any proof your assertions were true, that's your job to do.

Particularly with wild politically biased assertions.
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October 09, 2019, 11:17:21 PM
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I don't think that Trump is willingly moving Trumps to hurt an ally, I don't think that's something any President would do -- nor do I think the military would be on board and I think we'd know about it pretty quickly.

Where did the troops move to if you don't mind me asking if you'd know that-- or are these people coming home? If there people are coming home, I think Trump is right  and this is fair to do. If the troops are going to another base for no reason, then you're (and the people that are shitting on his decision) and others are right.

I do think that we should leave the middle east, but hawks will disagree with me.

I can't figure out if we're actually reducing the number of troops we have stationed or not. I've heard we're moving "50" and "less than 100" troops off the northern border.  There are about 1,000 in Syria and over 50,000 in the middle east.

I don't think he is doing it to hurt the Kurds.  But clearly he doesn't value the US Kurdish relationship anywhere near as much as the Pentagon, most of congress, or his Secretary of Defense (also a 4 star general) who resigned over this.  There haven't been any qualified people say this move is anything but bad. 

He's been complaining about how the rest of Europe won't come and get all the terrorists they've captured and threatening to just let them go for a while.  Many of those terrorists  (over 10,000) are in makeshift prisons in Syria, run by the Kurds and US together.  Turkey agreed to take over these prisons after they invaded North Syria - Two parties that are currently at war exchanging control of 10,000 terrorists.  What could go wrong?

It's also worth mentioning that Trump has done a lot of business with both the Turks and Saudis (who also hate the kurds, I think) over the past 30 years.  There's even a Trump Tower in Istanbul.  Not going to rule out corruption having a role.

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October 10, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
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I don't really know why Trump is doing what he is doing, but here is what I think.

Let's get out of policing the world. We have enough trouble at home that needs taking care of. If we need wars, let's do it economically, through tariffs. Bring our boys and girls home rather than killing them off in useless battles that never end. If we need to get rid of some (for example) Islamic country, nuke them off the face... and be done with it.

America is strong. We don't have to make America strong again. What we need is to show that America is strong, by setting our foot down, rather than pussyfooting around with other countries and playing war games over them.


Critics Aghast As Trump Keeps Word About No More Wars



How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can't even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?

Conservatives like me still think of ourselves as hawks, but after hard experience we have learned to be hawkish only where America's interests are directly at stake. We're not doves. We're just not going to spill our troops' blood when we do not absolutely have to. The elite may not like our attitude, but then it's generally not the elite that ends up having to bury its sons, daughters, husbands and wives. We do.

I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they've been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like "betrayal" tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm "No" from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president along with millions of us say "No thanks."


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October 10, 2019, 05:53:15 PM
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I don't really know why Trump is doing what he is doing, but here is what I think.

Let's get out of policing the world. We have enough trouble at home that needs taking care of. If we need wars, let's do it economically, through tariffs. Bring our boys and girls home rather than killing them off in useless battles that never end. If we need to get rid of some (for example) Islamic country, nuke them off the face... and be done with it.

America is strong. We don't have to make America strong again. What we need is to show that America is strong, by setting our foot down, rather than pussyfooting around with other countries and playing war games over them.


Critics Aghast As Trump Keeps Word About No More Wars



How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can't even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?

Conservatives like me still think of ourselves as hawks, but after hard experience we have learned to be hawkish only where America's interests are directly at stake. We're not doves. We're just not going to spill our troops' blood when we do not absolutely have to. The elite may not like our attitude, but then it's generally not the elite that ends up having to bury its sons, daughters, husbands and wives. We do.

I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they've been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like "betrayal" tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm "No" from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president along with millions of us say "No thanks."


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Trump hasn't started a new war (yet), so I guess he is keeping his word.  Has nothing to do with him moving less than 1% of the American troops stationed in Syria though.

Remember last December when he said we were completely pulling out of Syria?  典hey池e all coming back and they池e coming back now.  He didn't pull out then, and he's not pulling out now.

Also, Turkey would not be attacking northern Syria if we didn't move 50-100 troops out of the area.  So the "we didn't want to be stuck in the cross fire" argument is not valid.
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