800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight

[PopoJeff]

I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.

No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.

But they can recharge them with a diesel generator in a pinch

I am not saying they don't have advantages, but they are actually LESS environmentally friendly than a classic fossil fuel based vehicle.

I was being a smart-ass.  Using a DIESEL generator to recharge the "oh no, fossil fuels are bad" eco-friendly car

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[coins4commies]

I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.

No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.

No one said that captain strawman.  I simply pointed out the fact that california electricity wasn't coming from coal.   

The discussion wasn't even about cars but if you're interested in my position, here . it is..  The greenest trip is one taken on foot, then bike, and mass transit if those aren't appropriate.   I think personal vehicle ownership is too resource intense no matter how "green" your car is. 

[TECSHARE]

No one said that captain strawman.  I simply pointed out the fact that california electricity wasn't coming from coal.   

The discussion wasn't even about cars but if you're interested in my position, here . it is..  The greenest trip is one taken on foot, then bike, and mass transit if those aren't appropriate.   I think personal vehicle ownership is too resource intense no matter how "green" your car is. 

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or do you just have to wait for me to have one so you can repeat it back to me as if it was clever? Good for you, I am sure you don't use any fossil fuels as you preach to the rest of the world right? Riiiiiight... You probably drive a Hummer with one of those "COEXIST" bumper stickers on it.

[coins4commies]

I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

[TECSHARE]

I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

Thanks for noticing my insults are always accompanied by an actual argument.

"100 companies are responsible"

So these companies just sit around creating emissions just for the fun of it? Consumers certainly don't have any responsibility here do they? Not that I agree with your concept of CO2 as a pollutant. You know why the market wont incentivize it? Because it is a nonsense theory not based on science and is designed to redistribute wealth, not protect the environment.

[squatz1]

I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

[Mometaskers]

I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

[squatz1]

I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

Very very expensive to go to underground wires after it's been done. It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

And even at a certain point there does have to be exposed wires. Most of Europe isn't exposed due to when they got the power cables built and put in -- very different time compared to the US.

[Mometaskers]

I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

I suppose they are considering the cost to them rather than to the homeowners. Maybe it really is just cheaper to reinstall those lines after they burn down.

[KingScorpio]

"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

they will have a solution -> vassal status to china. so china fixes their infrastructure.paying europeans russians or american companies is not in their price range.

[BADecker]

They're doing it again!!!


California utility begins another blackout amid fire fears

The fire in the Sonoma County wine region north of San Francisco grew to more than 15 square miles before dawn and authorities ordered evacuations near the small community of Geyserville.

There was no immediate information about what caused the fire, but wildfire risk was extremely high as humidity levels plunged and gusty winds up to 70 mph hit the region.

The Pacific Gas & Electric Co. utility on Wednesday began rolling blackouts stretching from the Sierra foothills in the northeast to portions of the San Francisco Bay Area in a bid to keep the electrical grid from causing fires due to wind that can send power lines toppling, starting fires.

The blackouts impacted a half-million people — or nearly 180,000 customers — in 15 counties, and PG&E warned that a second round of outages could occur over the weekend when winds return to the region.

[coins4commies]

I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

Very very expensive to go to underground wires after it's been done. It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

And even at a certain point there does have to be exposed wires. Most of Europe isn't exposed due to when they got the power cables built and put in -- very different time compared to the US.

Burying the lines would wipe out profits but benefit everyone.  This is why a big utility that everyone relies on should never be private.

[TECSHARE]

Burying the lines would wipe out profits but benefit everyone.  This is why a big utility that everyone relies on should never be private.

If only waving a magic Communism wand made the resources and labor required for this to happen magically appear, you might have a point.

[coins4commies]

Clearly the problem is that one of the richest places on the planet cannot afford to build power lines. 

[Spendulus]

I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

I don't care whether you walk or fly or stumble around or slither.

Jet fuel is an extract from oil, and it should remain that way. That's due to various aspects of airplane operation that you really have no clue about.

Babble your green nonsense on other topics, where the debate actually has some level of merit. Cars, for example.

[TECSHARE]

Clearly the problem is that one of the richest places on the planet most socialist places in the USA cannot afford to build power lines. 

Fixed that for you.

[coins4commies]

I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

I don't care whether you walk or fly or stumble around or slither.

Jet fuel is an extract from oil, and it should remain that way. That's due to various aspects of airplane operation that you really have no clue about.

Babble your green nonsense on other topics, where the debate actually has some level of merit. Cars, for example.

Thanks man.  I'll take your word on it without any explanation.  Could you also notify Airbus and the Bavarian government of your aviation prowess.?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbus-germany-biofuels/from-green-slime-to-jet-fuel-algae-offers-airlines-a-cleaner-future-idUSKCN0Z117F

[BADecker]

Go to the site and look at the pictures. Most of these people are simple, good people, living their lives in the best ways they can. Many of them are believers in God. They are losing everything. How can God let this happen to them?

We all lose everything at the end of our lives. It's because of our sin against God. California has areas of some of the worst sinning done among peaceful people. We are losing everything because we didn't regulate our government to stop the excessive sinning. God is stopping it for us, but He is showing those of us who are His, that we will lose everything in this life anyway. And He is doing it in ways that warn the gross sinners tto change, or He will come for them in ways that won't be pleasant.


Up to 2.1 million people could have their power cut in California --

California governor Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency for Sonoma and Los Angeles counties

He said of PG&E: 'They simply did not do their job. We will hold them accountable. This cannot continue'

The utility company say up to 2.1 million people in Northern and Central California could lose power

A PG&E high-voltage power line malfunctioned minutes before a Northern California wildfire broke out

2,000 people have been evacuated, 49 homes have been destroyed and 21,900 acres have been burned

California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said just five per cent of the fire had been contained 

There are currently nine active wildfires in California including the Cabrillo Fire, Kincade Fire, Muir Fire and Nelson Fire in the north; and the Mines Fire, Saddle Ridge Fire and Tick Fire in the south.

[BADecker]

Can anyone in this forum confirm this?


Insurers tell California citizens to drop dead: Fire coverage yanked from 350,000 residents in response to PG&E power blackouts and ‘fire risk’

Why Americans continue to elect Democrats, whose policies are tyrannical and economically destructive, is a mystery.

That is especially the case in California, which is a case study in authoritarianism when one political party possesses a super majority.

Recently, California – an arid state despite the fact that it has a large Pacific coastline – suffered through several very destructive, deadly wildfires that many experts blamed on the Democrats’ goofy, nonsensical environmental policies.

In particular, environmental policies that prevent energy companies from clear-cutting dead brush and trees away from power lines.

“California has a lot of public land, federal land and state land, and there are strict restrictions on a lot of that regarding logging and even removal of dead and diseased trees,” notes Bonner Cohen, a senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research. “You have tinderboxes brought to you courtesy of either the federal government, or the state government, or – tragically in some cases – both.”

But rationality isn’t something that guides Democratic environmental policy-making in California. As such, the state’s residents suffer.

As reported by Fox Business, because of the increasing instances of wildfires in the state, hundreds of thousands of residents are losing their fire insurance:

Insurance has become a serious problem in California as wildfires — past and present — wreak havoc on the state.

After last year’s devastating wildfires, insurance companies are balking at fire coverage policy renewals for more than 350,000 residents in high-risk areas.

[Quickseller]

This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

PG&E has served democrats agenda for years at the expense of maintaining their grid.

If electric companies were advancing profits over public safety, there would be similar problems elsewhere in the country, but there is not (except PR). The common denominator is corrupt democrat politicians running government almost unopposed for decades.