An appeal to all my fellow Cryptotalk signature campaign participants!

[2double0]

An appeal to all my fellow Cryptotalk signature campaign participants!

Every user here who was willing to join a campaign and then they got Cryptotalk (Yobit) signature campaign, please read these etiquette to save yourself from getting banned, not just from the campaign but from the forum too 'You read that right'.


Don't participate if your sole intention is just to make money through this

You know, you understand that this is not the old Yobit campaign where users spammed the forum and made us feel like we are in a hell with no healthy discussions but bs replies just for the sake of making that extra penny, but this time the heat is on and you are not going to be here sooner or later if you have joined this (or any) campaign just to make money. Do you speak to people and then ask them money for your time? No, right? Do you ask your parents, siblings, relatives, friends and whoever belongs to you, to give you anything as a reward just because you helped them? Expecting something in return will leave you alone in the long run, that's how it is everywhere and even here on the forum, if you post normally for your interests and not to meet your daily min/max quota, I'm sure you will never find yourself in any trouble 'except for the plagiarism cases'. You should trust my words that managers and others helping them by reporting you are not fools sitting there, they have a reason to do so and you have your destiny in your hands, not them. Yahoo checks everything and you all know he does his job very well. Watching someone remained inactive for months and now has started making 15-20 shitposts every single day will get you caught not just in the eyes of Yahoo but forum moderators too, so think at least 10k times before you do that as it will only get you banned in max 3-5 days 'I guarantee it'. This type of campaign is for those who don't want minimum requirements and can freely post without the fear of meeting those minimum 15-20-25 and some even 30 posts.


Don't burstpost

It is obvious that if you don't want to wait and need that money that has been put on the table by Cryptotalk (Yobit) in a few hours, you will just see some threads and start posting there without understanding the subject which could be out of your knowledge or interest's reach. Then after 2-3 minutes or even 5, let's say 10 minutes, find another thread and shit post there. This way, you think that you will reach your max in just 3 hours 'well yes you can but then you will be kicked out with no pay as well as banned from this campaign and other campaigns if other managers unite and decide to follow Yahoo's Cryptotalk blacklist'. I will not explain burstposting nor give you the link to Yahoo's post where it is explained in a very good way, you should show some efforts, find it, learn those rules and then come back and you may be saved from getting a ban ahead.


Put some efforts, this is what they need

If I ask "What is blockchain?" and your reply is "Blockchain is a chain of blocks", this shows your level of knowledge and that you didn't put any efforts to try and find more, learn more about it and then post but you wanted that buck so you posted. This just increases spam in the thread and nothing productive could be reached/derived out of the conversation because people start their own off-topic discussions to just stretch the thread longer and longer and longer. You don't have the right to join any signature campaign if you don't know anything and are here just for free money, nothing is free in this world and just like IRL, you need to work for these companies for them to pay you for the same. Spamming leads to nowhere but undeniable bans. If you don't read, then set a habit to start reading first before responding because there are almost 1.5 mn members on the forum and everyone has got a reply with them so check if "your answer" was already answered by someone before. No need to repeat things. It took me around 20 minutes to write this post because I put in my effort to understand and then help you out by making you learn what not to do to remai a part of this (and many more future) signature campaign's'. How much is it? Around 2 bucks per post, right? Get out of your home, ask some stranger to help you out with $1, yeah just $1 and see what he will do. He will either ask you to get away or kick your ass and throw you on the road. That is because everyone knows the value of money and if BTC is money you are trying to earn, you should put in your efforts and work for it, I repeated these words with an example to make you understand it better.


Don't get nuked

I have seen many high reputation accounts getting banned from the signature and talks are going on about banning these people from the forum as well (I'm against this and I'll come up with something on this). If you do all the things as stated above, you will always remain safe because then, you won't be spamming but making reasonable posts.


Don't make this your last campaign ever landed in

If you are a knowledgeable, sensible person; my point will go straight to your heart and make you understand everything. So that's all for now, I'll be coming with that forum ban thread soon.

P.S. Mods please move this to a relevant part of the forum if this is not the right place for this thread.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

If there soul purpose isn't to make money through spamming the forum then there are other forum friendly signature campaigns to enroll in but guess what, their accounts are dormant and no managers (campaign) will accept them as promoters since the quality of their post can't be accounted for.

Don't get why you're wasting your time trying to advice those who aren't interested in this sort of advice. All they're after is the quick bucks cryptotalk offer via yobit panel. This is the closest most of them can get to a signature campaigns, you think they won't take full advantage of that not minding the repercussion?. You just fighting a lost battle.

[stadus]

Thank you for your effort and your care on the forum, hopefully they will listen but I doubt those spammers will even read in your post and if ever they will read, they would not stop spamming.

Maybe this is very effective if we cryptotalk has no signature campaign manager but since they have yahoo now, spammers might take advantage but they will not last in the campaign.

By looking at this thread -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0, I'm pretty sure it will make them aware how strict the manager of this campaign in banning members who are not following the rules. As of now, we have 211 members banned already.

[BTCappu]

Good efforts! But, I feel that you have missed these 2 things:

1. You might need to move this topic into service discussion or  beginners & help board.
2. You may need to open a new thread in Self-moderated mode so that you may keep this efforts cleaner and up to the point of its purposes. For the same reason, @Yahoo locked their Cryptotalk signature campaign thread.

[Coin_trader]

If there soul purpose isn't to make money through spamming the forum then there are other forum friendly signature campaigns to enroll in but guess what, their accounts are dormant and no managers (campaign) will accept them as promoters since the quality of their post can't be accounted for.

You misunderstand his point. He is stating the old yobit signature campaign on that statement. Let's be honest here, We are all joining the signature campaign here with the sole purpose of earning money on each post that we made here. But spam posts or low-quality posts just to earn are two different stories. Cryptotalk signature campaign have the same goal on other signature campaigns. The difference is the maximum possible post on each day which agreeably quite high. But they never stated to mandatory hit that max post, It's up to the participants if they will do that. A normal user here will not hit that target post consistent daily.

Don't get why you're wasting your time trying to advise those who aren't interested in this sort of advice. All they're after is the quick bucks cryptotalk offer via yobit panel. This is the closest most of them can get to a signature campaign, you think they won't take full advantage of that not minding the repercussion?. You just fighting a lost battle.

Why not? briefing colleagues on what is right is a good idea. We can't deny the fact that there are participants on cryptotalk campaign are just spamming just for quick bucks but not all. You will see after few months. Yahoo will gonna filter all participants.

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Just a suggestion. Cryptotalk should close the registration on the campaign. It's a bit flooded at this moment. And also buying/selling of accounts right now is already rising and very active due to this campaign.

[FruitsBasket]

I think the OP has a few valid points. However I find this new signature campaign users quite annoying. I see so many ‘fake’ interest posts, just to get higher signature payment. I think such users should be warned and banned if they don’t change such behavior. I also saw the signature campaign manager is doing a good job, but still even some users really trigger me in a bad way by their shitpost style.

[2double0]

If there soul purpose isn't to make money through spamming the forum then there are other forum friendly signature campaigns to enroll in but guess what, their accounts are dormant and no managers (campaign) will accept them as promoters since the quality of their post can't be accounted for.

You forgot something or missed out on a fact?
The old campaign had no one managing it but this time Yahoo is there and we all should help him out in every way we can. I don't know if he is being paid or not by Yobit to do this job and you might call that it's his business to get users come on the right track or get removed, but helping him out without being selfish 'by not having the feeling to get something in return' will proudly keep this campaign run longer and the forum be neat and clean.

Don't get why you're wasting your time trying to advice those who aren't interested in this sort of advice. All they're after is the quick bucks cryptotalk offer via yobit panel. This is the closest most of them can get to a signature campaigns, you think they won't take full advantage of that not minding the repercussion?.

I am not wasting my time here nor yours 'and anybody thinking that I am wasting their time - may please leave the thread', if I get to have at least one user of this forum turn out to be good after reading this and take the sense out of my advice, my purpose will be served. It is not just about Yobit but all those campaign participants out there. There is a participant in Chipmixer campaign who makes more than 'on an average' 100 posts each week but he is himself unique in his own class and nobody here can match his quality, work and dedication to the forum - LoyceV I'm talking about. Those who make 20 posts a day, I do not have any issues with them unless they are all high quality and not shit just to make that penny. If you put efforts and give some time and if you don't get paid for that, I strive to come in your favor myself and show what kind of support I can give while being a stranger.

You just fighting a lost battle.

I am sorry, but you don't know how much will power and anger against such guys do I have in my heart so don't try to judge it please. I can win a lost battle as I M Possible.

[audaciousbeing]

Thank you for your effort and your care on the forum, hopefully they will listen but I doubt those spammers will even read in your post and if ever they will read, they would not stop spamming.

Maybe this is very effective if we cryptotalk has no signature campaign manager but since they have yahoo now, spammers might take advantage but they will not last in the campaign.

By looking at this thread -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188200.0, I'm pretty sure it will make them aware how strict the manager of this campaign in banning members who are not following the rules. As of now, we have 211 members banned already.

I am actually impressed by Op for taking time out to put this together because it shows the heart of a selfless individual to do that thinking beyond what he could gain and its impact to the community as a whole. Its also good to try in his own little way to correct the impression that ''everybody participating in that campaign, are just spammers without conscience''. For Op, you have done well. The rate of banning in this campaign is something that is alarming a whole 211 members nuked, I imagined what would happen should they not have manager at all. While there have been threads and counter thread where suggestions have been made on how to run this campaign better, I think the solution is to limit the number of participants in this campaign as without that, its just a solution that wont last long that we will be facing after which there should be a form of evaluation before acceptance into the campaign by the manager unlike this that you wear the signature codes and your post starts counting right from that moment.

[examplens]

OP you write a nice post with good tips. but I also think that any of 211 banned users or users with same post rating will read, understand and accept advice from such a long post. the only thing they understand is the manager's ban hammer but then is too late.
they just won't accept any advice, they just think they make a few bucks. you tried, but I don't think it will have any effect to "critical" users.

[TheUltraElite]

OP you write a nice post with good tips. but I also think that any of 211 banned users or users with same post rating will read, understand and accept advice from such a long post. the only thing they understand is the manager's ban hammer but then is too late.
they just won't accept any advice, they just think they make a few bucks. you tried, but I don't think it will have any effect to "critical" users.

As long as the smell of "free money" is there yoshit and its associates will be using this forum to prepare nuptial rites and make it a breeding ground for spammers. Are you not horrified seeing all the negative trusted accounts bustling in to join this campaign for the last 2weeks?

We should actively report any post that comes to our notice which goes offtopic or low quality post. Getting their posts removed would deter their post quota and increase their chances of getting banned. Its actually a good thing if some negged trolls get banned.

They will make new account but the merits system will block them from ranking up too soon.

[smyslov]

I should have saved some of my merits for this kind of post, but I'm out of merit now,  Cryptotalk offers a big challenge for us here in Bitcointalk because Yobit finally got a good manager to handle things and we have seen how many people are very eager to make easy money in just a short period of time.

On my last Yobit campaign just this year, I have to control my temptation to finish the 20 post maximum just to cash out, and I've seen some participants finishing it in less than 2 to 3 hours, it's been a battle between easy money and how you cultivate your posting habit here in this forum, I choose the latter although there's a big temptation to finish it in 3 hours, I'm glad those spammers are out of this campaign.

  

[jamalaezaz]

BTW. what happened to the Cryptotalk signature thread? it's been a few days since I am not seeing their thread in the first page of Services Section. otherwise it was always getting bumped by random spammers.
is the thread itself is locked or I am the only one who can't see it anymore.?

[examplens]

BTW. what happened to the Cryptotalk signature thread? it's been a few days since I am not seeing their thread in the first page of Services Section. otherwise it was always getting bumped by random spammers.
is the thread itself is locked or I am the only one who can't see it anymore.?

Campaign manager (Yahoo) is locked the thread because of lot of spam and useless comment.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52628107#msg52628107

[LoyceV]

Yahoo is there and we all should help him out in every way we can. I don't know if he is being paid or not

This answers your question:

Now let's talk about money. Not 1 person said it's not ok to earn a dollar here. You think I manage campaigns free?

There is a participant in Chipmixer campaign who makes more than 'on an average' 100 posts each week but he is himself unique in his own class and nobody here can match his quality, work and dedication to the forum - LoyceV I'm talking about.

Thanks, I guess
On a side note: I don't care about burst posting, I sometimes run into the "your last post is less then 4 seconds ago"-error, and I don't care if my post is 1 word or big enough to spread it over multiple posts (the maximum is 64 kB per post). What matters if whether or not your post is relevant, and I'm confident my campaign manager knows very well which posts do or don't deserve payment. As a forum member, I'm glad I don't need to think about that.

Those who make 20 posts a day, I do not have any issues with them unless they are all high quality and not shit just to make that penny.

You may want to rephrase the bold word

I have to control my temptation to finish the 20 post maximum just to cash out, and I've seen some participants finishing it in less than 2 to 3 hours, it's been a battle between easy money and how you cultivate your posting habit here in this forum

It's much easier: it's a battle between earning $20-30 today (and getting banned), or earning a slightly lower amount every day. Put some effort in.

I'm glad to see less and less CT.org-signatures from users who didn't earn any Merit. There are still many low-quality posts, but at least it's improving with yahoo62278's ban hammer.

[Dabs]

This may come out the wrong way, but ... a few tips ... I'm not even in the campaign (i'm in a different one, with different rules) ... Do more than the minimum required in terms of post quality, in terms of minimum characters.

I personally do not see any sense in a lot of posts that are just less than 100 characters. You really need a couple of sentences to express your thoughts or ideas clearly. Bump posts are clearly made for only one purpose. "I agree" posts are useless, maybe there should just be a "Like" button but any little metric that gets added to this forum eventually gets gamed, or something.

As for the so called "time limit" ... the problem lies in users posting everything they can in 2 or 3 hours. If you really must treat this as a job to earn some money, then put in the hours like any other job, 10 hours a day or something = that means 1 post every 30 minutes while you are awake = 20 posts a day spread over 10 hours. High quality posts. Not random blabbering trolling posts, unless that's what you do in other threads (some people just do this, they aren't getting paid, and they're having fun or entertainment just trolling others.)

There are normal people out there working 16 hour days just to earn, working 2 jobs too.

I think the other problem is the maximum that the campaign pays out. If they just copied every other campaign that required only 20, 25 or 30 per week (I see the average is about 25 per week) then we wouldn't have all this spam and low quality junk.

The massiveness of the campaign also indicates its potential longevity. Too many posts. Too many users. Too much payments to too many people = short lived campaign. Controlled ones tend to last months or years.

This will probably last longer than the previous one.

Ok, I'll go back to lurking. Have a nice day!

[yahoo62278]

I think the other problem is the maximum that the campaign pays out. If they just copied every other campaign that required only 20, 25 or 30 per week (I see the average is about 25 per week) then we wouldn't have all this spam and low quality junk.

The massiveness of the campaign also indicates its potential longevity. Too many posts. Too many users. Too much payments to too many people = short lived campaign. Controlled ones tend to last months or years.

You would think that's the case but it's not. So many users whether in fixed amount of posts per week campaigns or pay per post campaigns are posting all their posts as quickly as possible in order to move on to their other account.

I'll be grading a campaign and see that some users do their 25 posts over the course of 1-2 days. Then they do not login again til the next week. I normally issue a warning to a user when I see this and if they do it again, remove them.

Another issue when speaking about junk posts is your view on junk/spam may be different than the poster or mine. This goes for the whole forum. Everyone's view on what is or isn't spammy is different. Everyone has a different idea of what should and shouldn't be allowed on bitcointalk. I think part of that problem is certain sections shouldn't be allowed to be counted in any campaign. Mainly all the discussion boards sections. Those sections are filled with tons of junk threads that will only bring junk responses. Unfortunately, the users junk responses are on point and about as constructive as can be given the thread and its content. Ultimately it is the managers decision on what's accepted or not accepted, but it's not as easy as well you post junk you're out.

With cryptotalk I have no control over the sections counted or not counted, so I cannot implement this sort of rule. I would suggest that most users in the campaign only look to make 5 or so posts per day. Worrying about making the max everyday and getting paid will only hurt you in the long run. Not only do you have to worry about me banning you in the campaign, you have to worry about losing the account. Just because the rules say you CAN do 20 per day, doesn't mean you should.

[Dabs]

So many users whether in fixed amount of posts per week campaigns or pay per post campaigns are posting all their posts as quickly as possible in order to move on to their other account.

I'll be grading a campaign and see that some users do their 25 posts over the course of 1-2 days. Then they do not login again til the next week.

I'm reminded of the difference between serial and parallel. This applies to people with multiple accounts.

If you serialize your posts the way it is described above, post 25, go to next account, post 25, you run the risk of having all your accounts banned, and none of them get paid.

If you open up one VM/computer/screen/browser/tab per account, and not reply to each other, and each one is in a different campaign, managed by a different manager, and space out the posts over the entire week for each account ... you'll probably rake in the dough.

If I were to do it, I'd grab a list of interesting topics and threads, compose a bunch of replies, but not send them all at once. Before the existence of campaigns, like about 8 years ago or whenever, I'd bump into the "You can't post within 2 seconds of your previous post." thing... that's because I had 10 replies ready and I tried to send them all at once, LOL. The ability to type 200 WPM (words per minute) is a hindrance sometimes, I want to get my thoughts out but either I can't type them fast enough, or I type too fast the forum doesn't like it.

I'm not trying to give anyone ideas, as this is probably already happening. I found that thread about russian bump bots ... so it has happened, just not with a signature campaign. They didn't try to hide it tho, so all those accounts got linked together and probably banned from the forum.

[AverageGlabella]

This advice does not just go for those that are in cryptotalks campaign but to everyone participating in Bitcoin signatures here on the forum. If the forum carries on with this amount of spam the moderators are not going to be able to catch up and hiring new moderators is not going to be an option anymore when all the spam could be stopped by banning signature campaigns outright. I wish that theymos would make it so signature campaigns had to follow certain rules and one of them rules should be that members have to earn a certain amount of merit weekly to stay in the campaign.

[Lanatsa]

BTW. what happened to the Cryptotalk signature thread? it's been a few days since I am not seeing their thread in the first page of Services Section. otherwise it was always getting bumped by random spammers.
is the thread itself is locked or I am the only one who can't see it anymore.?

Campaign manager (Yahoo) is locked the thread because of lot of spam and useless comment.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52628107#msg52628107

Locking the thread was just right and if we do look on most pages, all are filled with repetitive post which shouldn't really be posted up on a signature thread.

I heavily agree into those points above and as said this doesn't only apply on Cryptotalk signature campaign participants but also on other signature participants as well when it comes to spamming, burst posting etc.

Due to largeness of number of participants of this campaign,i do see that they are flooding out the entire forum but since its already on moderation I do see much lesser shit posting but I do still see some of them but no worries because sooner or later they would really be removed out.

[NeuroticFish]

Imho, OP had a good idea, but with not so good execution.
1. These rules apply to anyone, no matter they're in a signature campaign or would like to join one sometime in the future. And that's because post history (and good habits too) do matter.
2. It's a very long post. Luckily it's well structured and the main ideas are written with bold, but (too) many people around here just skip the long posts.

And as already written by the others, the greedier posters won't read, no matter how you do it, because all they care is to post.

[MFahad]

With cryptotalk I have no control over the sections counted or not counted, so I cannot implement this sort of rule. I would suggest that most users in the campaign only look to make 5 or so posts per day. Worrying about making the max everyday and getting paid will only hurt you in the long run. Not only do you have to worry about me banning you in the campaign, you have to worry about losing the account. Just because the rules say you CAN do 20 per day, doesn't mean you should.

Many people will not understand this. Those who follow the rules are considered as good and obedient citizens,so when they are posting within the limits of the rules (20 Posts), what's the problem ? I can explain this in a layman way.

Well, the cryptotalk campaign rules are not made by any bitcointalk manager, they are solely the cryptotalk rules.
You live in a country where gambling / drugs is allowed but when you to travel to another gambling prohibited country, and there you start gambling too, then you will have to face the consequences maybe court of law or deported.
Another example, like you can smoke everywhere but cannot smoke in "smoking prohibited areas" , so when you post in bitcointalk, you have to abide by the common rules / best practices of bitcointalk and constantly positing 20 posts a day is certainly considered spam in this forum.

[2double0]

Many people will not understand this. Those who follow the rules are considered as good and obedient citizens,so when they are posting within the limits of the rules (20 Posts), what's the problem ? I can explain this in a layman way.

It doesn't bother a manager too much if you make 2 posts or 20 a day, but making high quality posts is what matters. Ok, leaving the high quality thingy aside, unless you are a well established user like Royse777 'giving his example' who can easily surpass this number and still remain in the campaign because he had been posting more than 15, sometimes even 20 or more way before this campaign popped. Basically, you need to be doing it already is what I meant. If you slowly grow your number of posts with improved quality, I or even a manager won't see anything bad in keeping you in any of their campaigns because if you are constructive as well as helpful to the community, they will show their willingness themselves (yes, I have seen managers contacting good high quality posters to join their campaign and some even paid more to those users compared to what an average Hero/Legendary would be getting as shown in their rates).

Well, the cryptotalk campaign rules are not made by any bitcointalk manager, they are solely the cryptotalk rules.
You live in a country where gambling is allowed but when to travel to another gambling prohibited country, and there you start gambling too, then you will have to face the consequences maybe court of law or deported.
Another example, like you can smoke everywhere but cannot smoke in "smoking prohibited areas" , so when you post in bitcointalk, you have to abide by the common rules / best practices of bitcointalk and constantly positing 20 posts a day is certainly considered spam in this forum.

I will repeat my words here - Yahoo or any other manager should have no issues with your ^20 posts or even more^ if you were that active before as well but doing so just for the sake of this campaign will leave you empty handed. I am seeing some old reputed users too getting banned and I would like to thank Cryptotalk 'Yobit' guys who came up with this campaign because this didn't prove to be a curse but a benefit to this forum as it brought too many people under the radar and helped us see who's here for what. Constructiveness and helping out are 2 very great things we are all here for, and I don't see the old forum any more where we had some general yet meaningful talks.

[FIFA worldcup]

I have seen many high reputation accounts getting banned from the signature and talks are going on about banning these people from the forum as well

Not only do you have to worry about me banning you in the campaign, you have to worry about losing the account.

Does this give clues to us what next ? 
Are we setup to get rid of the spammer & shitposters for once and forever. I am seeing a clean sweep 

[Dabs]

And as already written by the others, the greedier posters won't read, no matter how you do it, because all they care is to post.

And once they post, if they post garbage, then they get banned and not paid.

I'm thinking, and it will probably eventually come to this, there should be some sort of standard for signature campaigns, that all managers and whoever runs them will follow. Currently, the average is a fixed pay per week with a minimum of 25 posts.

If all campaigns followed this as a guide, and limited participants to how many they can afford to pay (or even just to fix it to 30 to 50 people) they'd have a campaign that would do well and last long, good for them, good for the posters too.

The good posters will stick around, the bad ones will get kicked out.

The differences would be in the pay rate, and the number of total participants and some would be closed for new people.

Glaringly, the automated yobit / cryptotalk one has the highest number of posts at 20 per day, and the highest number of participants at around 200 to 300 already.

As far as posters are concerned, post/weekly and fixed/weekly are the same thing, they will simply max out the weekly posts.

It's the post/daily which is set at 20 that causes problems.

[2double0]

I have seen many high reputation accounts getting banned from the signature and talks are going on about banning these people from the forum as well

Not only do you have to worry about me banning you in the campaign, you have to worry about losing the account.

Does this give clues to us what next ? 
Are we setup to get rid of the spammer & shitposters for once and forever. I am seeing a clean sweep 

I do not want that to happen because your life should not get over due to a single mistake given the fact that how big the mistake is. I think signature bans are good at the moment and those accounts should be given long term sig bans and the time gap between their signature ban begins and when they are allowed to wear signatures again, if those accounts make less posts or just stop doing it completely and then start posting again once they get their signature wearing ability back, then such users should be punished with a straight ban from the forum 'and these are my personal views'.

For users who are still spamming not in Cryptotalk alone but also in other signature campaigns, I have an example here with some questions:

If you are working for an employer IRL, do you:

+ Do your job at your own convenience?
+ Go to office whenever you want to?
+ Leave your job any time you want to?
+ Find another one and get joined immediately?

If your reply is Yes, I will believe you are one of those very lucky guys who got to do that but you know that is not the case with anyone in this world. If you are at a job, you need to give your 9 to 5 or whatever time you agreed on, to the company alone without any objections. You need to do whatever kind of work is given to you because you need money and you will do anything for it but no shortcuts allowed there. Are you allowed to do all your work in just 3-4 hours in one single day and then you're asked to rest at home, give all your time to your family? Well nobody's that fortunate to get their boss asking such things even once in a year, and if they ask these questions to you probably means you are going to get fired. If you can't do your whole month's job in a day, how can you think that you'll make 20-30 posts in just 5 hours and then the Manager will do applause for you and pay you? These companies that hire you in their signature campaigns want you to work, give your time, spread your posts and indulge in healthy discussions and not just shit just to earn money. You really need to give that damn time to the forum too if you see this as a job, spreading those 20-30 minimum posts cap 'in other campaigns' throughout a week and not in just 1 day and then get paid for that. I hope that many users will learn through this example and stop shit posting while start earning a buck for their real efforts.

[Findingnemo]

I have seen many high reputation accounts getting banned from the signature and talks are going on about banning these people from the forum as well

Not only do you have to worry about me banning you in the campaign, you have to worry about losing the account.

Does this give clues to us what next ? 
Are we setup to get rid of the spammer & shitposters for once and forever. I am seeing a clean sweep 

I guess they will be listed in New Sig Spammer/Blacklist (Clean start for all) so they may not participate in any of his future campaigns,which will be followed by most other campaigns as well.So they will lose their chance forever to join in bitcoin paying signature campaign.

[AB de Royse777]

~snip~
unless you are a well established user like Royse777 'giving his example' who can easily surpass this number and still remain in the campaign because he had been posting more than 15, sometimes even 20 or more way before this campaign popped.

Aww!
It's good to see that I am well established for making a lot of posts :-P but guys, I really slowed down last few days/more than a week. I hope I will come back with the full pace.

By the way, about this campaign thing, if anyone is already making large number of posts then it's common sense that they will not get effected. But some who do not post even 10 a week but in a sudden if they start to post 20+ a day then it is worrying unless they are making really very constructive posts.

Good luck with all the participants.

[NeuroticFish]

It's the post/daily which is set at 20 that causes problems.

Clearly. And your idea for sticking to a relatively low number of posts per week could help, but not necessarily. It needs more than that.

I mean a company that wants exposure no matter what, will just allow lowest ranks possible that can show anything in the signature. And if a 25-30 posts/week will become overall rule, then people will have the incentive to make multiple accounts and (still) spam.

One would say that the power is in the hands of campaign managers (I thought so too at some point). But is it? Let's see... Of course that many posters start and continue completely useless discussions just to increase the post count. But the answers are not meaningful, so managers can count them as spam. Or let's say it is spam, after certain numbers (I don't know numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if cryptotalk gets more than 1000 new posts every day) they simply cannot do the best contextual check for all the posts. I've read that yahoo62278 would clean one one of such campaigns. I fear it's a way too big job for one person.
They are still humans and will not do tremendous job for free. Do the spammy campaigns pay them better? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on that.
Also not all campaign managers do the same quality of works and have the same restrictions.

So maybe we expect too much from them.

I think that the forum could have a rule on that (!). Something like a campaign cannot have more than a certain number of paid posts per day/week/month. (only check the paid, because we don't want to stop people posting if they have anything to say). This means they cannot just hire all the spammers and job done.

[pooya87]

I'm thinking, and it will probably eventually come to this, there should be some sort of standard for signature campaigns, that all managers and whoever runs them will follow. Currently, the average is a fixed pay per week with a minimum of 25 posts.

if a standard is to be followed, in my opinion the minimum post requirement must be removed from the signature campaigns because it could (in many cases) encourage spam. people will have to make that many posts to reach the payment target and not everyone is capable of it so their quality could go down.

[nicecrypto]

Isn't it stated that post don't necessarily needs to be lengthy or in form of an essay for it to be considered, already I see a lot of members wearing this signature putting effort on their post already, I wonder what kind of standard you  want to be set, should all forum members wearing signature start writing easy?

[FIFA worldcup]

Isn't it stated that post don't necessarily needs to be lengthy or in form of an essay for it to be considered, already I see a lot of members wearing this signature putting effort on their post already, I wonder what kind of standard you  want to be set, should all forum members wearing signature start writing easy?

As useless lengthy essay can be a shit post too where you unnecessary prolong your words to convert it into a spam essay. I tried to cover before who can be a good poster .

Point to be noted that a poster

cannot become a decent poster even if he  

1) Write 2,3 meaningless lines or paragraph
2) Write spam posts in 15 - 30 mins interval

But can be a good poster even if he

1) write few meaningful one liners posts
2) write few of his quality posts one after the another (focus is on  few because not all good posts can be one liner or in burst)

[buwaytress]

I must be really behind the times. Heard about the new signature campaign a couple of weeks ago, but only noticed now that some threads in gambling have been getting a lot of spam, and from participants of this campaign.

The last time Yobit had this kind of campaign, it didn't last long. Surprised they launched again, not sure the last one would have brought them any good results. But I guess they know something I don't!

And good to have guys like OP remind us not everyone in the campaign's a shitposter. But if they didn't read the forum rules and follow them, not sure why they'd listen to OP. No harm trying I suppose.

[Dabs]

I'm thinking, and it will probably eventually come to this, there should be some sort of standard for signature campaigns, that all managers and whoever runs them will follow. Currently, the average is a fixed pay per week with a minimum of 25 posts.

if a standard is to be followed, in my opinion the minimum post requirement must be removed from the signature campaigns because it could (in many cases) encourage spam. people will have to make that many posts to reach the payment target and not everyone is capable of it so their quality could go down.

25 posts per week / 7 days = 3.5 posts per day.

If they don't post on weekends or holidays, that's still only 5 posts per day.

They can't set that as the maximum, because there are others who, regardless of signature, post more than that anyway.

What I'm saying is that the minimum shouldn't be much higher than this. There also shouldn't be a maximum as that doesn't make sense, but then any posts above that same number wouldn't get paid either.

If some campaigns set their maximum to 50 or 60 per week, most of the participants will hit that number or die trying. (The account will die = get banned / not paid due to spam or other violations.)


On the other hand, come to think of it, maybe a minimum of say, 7 (which means one post a day), and a maximum (paid) of 25 ... So the campaign may actually pay less to people. But then that makes it a paid per post, instead of a fixed payment per week.

[NeuroticFish]

They can't set that as the maximum, because there are others who, regardless of signature, post more than that anyway.

They actually can set 25 posts/week as maximum paid. Why not? Then some won't just post for the sake of posting.
Just some campaign owners want more than that. Would one think that the owners of a campaign for another crypto forum (the owners of a competitor forum) would care to keep the post quality here on high levels?!

That's why, as I said, theymos should step in with some rules for the maximum paid.

Edit: by maximum paid I meant max number of posts / a certain period of time.

[Dabs]

My last sentence did clarify that, maximum paid. I guess it depends on whether it's paid per post or fixed per week, or as the table puts it: p/w or f/w.

Anyway, I think I know what you mean, we're after the same end result which would be good for the forum, as well as good for the campaign owner and the posters themselves. The competitor forum would care enough to keep the campaign active, as if it gets banned or they lose too many posters with signatures, they lose the traffic they want. Posting quality would increase just enough they don't lose everything. At least it would be better than the last time.

Even without any enforced rules, there will be some sort of equilibrium reached, some sort of self-regulation. I see it as something close to weekly scheme as opposed to any other time frame. I don't see any campaigns doing monthly anymore and that's not likely to come back.

[2double0]

My last sentence did clarify that, maximum paid. I guess it depends on whether it's paid per post or fixed per week, or as the table puts it: p/w or f/w.

Anyway, I think I know what you mean, we're after the same end result which would be good for the forum, as well as good for the campaign owner and the posters themselves. The competitor forum would care enough to keep the campaign active, as if it gets banned or they lose too many posters with signatures, they lose the traffic they want. Posting quality would increase just enough they don't lose everything. At least it would be better than the last time.

Definitely, because they are trying to gain slaves 'based on what they are paying there = 0.00001 BTC per post * 30 max posts per day and they expect their users not to spam. What are they trying to gather is not understandable.

Even without any enforced rules, there will be some sort of equilibrium reached, some sort of self-regulation. I see it as something close to weekly scheme as opposed to any other time frame. I don't see any campaigns doing monthly anymore and that's not likely to come back.

Monthly timeframe is unlikely to enter the signature campaigns as users don't like to wait longer and this will also kill the interest of users who post just for money, to spread their posts during the whole month while shitpost and make the minimum posts reached in a 2-3 days period. Monthly campaigns were good actually because such could save managers a lot of hassle and time and save the hiring companies some extra bucks because the rates will be fixed or even pay per post will be lower with less number of required posts rather than posting weekly.

I have opened up a discussion with Yobit panel too, you can watch and participate in the debate here:

A humble request to Yobit Officials!