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October 10, 2019, 06:57:09 AM
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With just over 1 more month left behind for the forum's 10th anniversary which is taking place on 22nd of November this year, there were various ideas rolling around my head for past couple of days on how to celebrate the 10th anniversary of this forum in our Indian sub-section. I am aware of the global ideas and thoughts, but celebrating the anniversary in Indian board will give a native feel for everyone of us who are striving to make this section great again!

There were quite a few interesting ideas which I thought of could be implemented :

1. We could have a coin giveaway through raffle for our Indian members. There are 16 slots present in the raffle just like krogoth's raffle and the winner will be rewarded with a free coin. I am also hesitant with the privacy of the users in this idea since they should be able to provide their address to receive the coin or whatsoever. On the other hand, I should be providing my city and state to India Post from where I am shipping this. I am very much concerned with the latter as I am not literally willing to risk my privacy at all. To prevent this I can ship the coin to chronicsky or anyone if they are willing to have a reshipping provided at additional cost.

2. Speculation Games : This could be very much similar to fun and interactive micgoossens's Game of Life topic. Here our Indian members should guess the closest price of BTC on 22nd of November 2019 06:00 PM UTC [the time of first topic announcement by satoshi] and they would be rewarded with 0.0002211BTC to commemorate the 10th anniversary date. [Sorry this is what I can provide with my minimal wallet balance  Sad ] I would be confirming with micg to use their idea sooner.

3. Though our sub-section was created only on 2011 after Benson requested for a separate board to theymos, I am thinking of creating a Interactive discussion topic where the users would share their experience on this forum and how they got to know about the bitcointalk forum etc.

The final point would probably be present in the 10th anniversary topic which I will try to create in our section if I have spare time to write a topic.

- Will this idea work over time? Or are they a bad idea and should we stick with the global anniversary celebration?
- What are your thoughts and inputs regarding this idea?
- Do you guys have any other ideas apart from this?

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Any ideas and suggestions floating around?  Huh

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October 14, 2019, 05:19:19 AM
Last edit: October 14, 2019, 05:45:44 AM by akhjob
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Your idea seems good. Since I'm not a partying type and not good at planning celebrations, I am sorry that I can't come up with any suggestions for the anniversary celebrations. I am just posting this so that others who are good at this should come forward with their ideas/suggestions.

Its been almost 4 days since OP made this post. I think everyone should atleast gives their views on what they think about it, even if you don't have any ideas. Whether you like it or not, doesn't matter, just share your thoughts.

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Since this section is still not active so not many people would even participate in the Bitcointalk anniversary in this section. I appreciate
Heisenberg_Hunter's gesture to celebrate in this section but the first two suggestions don't seem feasible right now. The third one looks good but it has been discussed too many times in this section so it would just create spam.

I suggest we have a poll to check whether members of this section really want to celebrate the anniversary or not in our Indian section. If it's less than 5 people, we shouldn't celebrate and stick to the global celebration only.
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Thanks for initiating the discussion akhjob. Last year I was more or less involved in reporting the spams present here in the Indian section and after making the board a little cleaner to read I initiated various discussions in global boards regarding the fate of our Indian section. I spent more than 6-7 hours of my time per day last year and the result was somewhere around 400 reports finally. At one point of time, Bitxoxo spammers (probably in June-Aug 2018) started ruining all the topics present in the board and it was really a very hard time driving them away from the board. The second initiative was to find the fake translation spammers and with the help of erikalui and other Hindi members I created a topic listing out the fake Hindi translators. Today the board is little cleaner with almost 0 spams present in past couple of days. But to the contrary we don't have enough Indians speaking in this board apart from some of the few seasoned great posters. These topics are solely made to bring enough interest and to make others Indians roaming in the global boards involved in our Indian community.

I suggest we have a poll to check whether members of this section really want to celebrate the anniversary or not in our Indian section. If it's less than 5 people, we shouldn't celebrate and stick to the global celebration only.
The replies to this topic proves there doesn't seem to be much interest in the topic on the whole. Not sure if the problem is with the Topic title or the initiative, let us see how the poll ends up in the upcoming days.

Poll has been created, let us have the community inputs rolling...

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The replies to this topic proves there doesn't seem to be much interest in the topic on the whole. Not sure if the problem is with the Topic title or the initiative, let us see how the poll ends up in the upcoming days.
Even i was waiting for the response from the rest of the members to see the general decision but since there is not much response i am chipping in and with the lack of response we know that no one will be interested in giveaway through raffle because of privacy issues but speculative games would be great but you do not need to shell out any rewards, we can do it for the fun and interactive discussion will be also fun and we can create a telegram group to discuss things in general.
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Really nice idea but given the privacy stuff, i will pm you about it.

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would love to be part of 10th year forum celebration but cannot help with reshipping.
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October 19, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
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Looks like a good idea to me. I do like "The Speculation Game" idea and vouch in to add a reward to the winner. I can give out like BTC 0.002 for the game  Smiley
I will participate in it as well. May be we can get a donation from other members as well and create a wallet whose private key you or an escrow can hold and give it to the winner at the end of the day.

I have another Idea. The person with the coolest avatar (should dedicate India and bitcoin/bitcointalk) will get a little reward.
The person should wear that avatar for that whole day. Again, I know we don't have enough funds but we can surely loose out our wallets to give out a little for the community.
I don't know about the others but I can surely do it. Besides that, if you take it from the community, you give it to the community.

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October 19, 2019, 06:19:58 PM
Last edit: November 11, 2019, 03:42:19 PM by Heisenberg_Hunter
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May be we can get a donation from other members as well and create a wallet whose private key you or an escrow can hold and give it to the winner at the end of the day.
Holding of anyone's personal funds by myself would be a really bad idea to proceed with as there would be unnecessary chaos among other members who are not really willing to trust me with the money. We can hire either someone like DarkStar_, krogothmanhattan or bL4nkcode (probably there are more reputed escrows) and I guess they wouldn't be imposing any fees for the escrow amount as this initiative is for a good cause and not for trading goods as such.

I am still not sure why there isn't much interest in this topic even after 90 views. Aren't the other Indians not willing to participate in this celebration or not really willing to change our sub-board a little? Truly speaking, I was always jealous on other local boards (be it Indonesian, French, Russian) on how innovative, contributive and helpful they are. All the members in a particular local board would have a better bonding than our Indian board TBH. I can name only a handful of us (may be around 10) are really interested in this section and other Indians are coming here only to weed out the remaining quality emerging here.  Sad

We are still not really away from the idea as there is more than 1-2 weeks for these celebrations to be implemented here but anything would work only  when there is much interest in the board on the whole. Recently it was really refreshing to see Stedsm getting involved in the community but there are still many of them who are really not willing to step inside this board. There was a thought back last year that every one of the quality Indian posters rejected this board due to the massive uncontrollable spam present here, but recently we are seeing a positive light of quality being restored all over the board.

we can do it for the fun and interactive discussion will be also fun and we can create a telegram group to discuss things in general.
Yes I was thinking of this recently.

0.002 BTC for the game
Thanks for the help. I was contacted by another anonymous user and they have said they would be helping with the rewards as well. But all in all, we need to bring enough interest in the board.

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October 19, 2019, 06:21:41 PM
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May be we can get a donation from other members as well and create a wallet whose private key you or an escrow can hold and give it to the winner at the end of the day.
Holding of anyone's personal funds by myself would be a really bad idea to proceed with as there would be unnecessary chaos among other members who are not really willing to trust me with the money. We can hire either someone like DarkStar_, krogothmanhattan or bL4nkcode (probably there are more reputed escrows) and I guess they wouldn't be imposing any fees for the escrow amount as this initiative is for a good cause and not for trading goods as such.

Yup, I can escrow for free for this if needed. Let me know if you end up going ahead with it.

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October 21, 2019, 10:09:41 AM
Last edit: October 21, 2019, 10:39:16 AM by Clement Kaliyar
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Yes I was thinking of this recently. Here is that : Bitcointalk (India) I have never created a TG group, if anyone have problems in joining just PM me.
I joined the TG group but i am not able to see anything but the user who invited me says that there are contents and forwarded the screen shots and i am not sure why i am not able to see any of the conversation.

I did not know the forum is active again and i had no clue about the anniversary until i got bugged to be active again Tongue.
I am ready for anything, a get together with the forum members to celebrate the function. If everyone is scared about privacy then we will do something else, Speculation Games, raffle or the art contest anything is fine with me and i will participate in it to have an interaction and to share the experience.


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October 22, 2019, 12:11:03 PM
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Hey guys. Sorry I wasnt able to reply earlier as i am not really at my full capacity mentally to contribute to a topic of this nature. I have had an idea in mind for sometime.

So the main issue we are having right now is the lack of decent activity, both in terms of discussion as well as real usage of bitcoin and crytpo in general.
I think we can link the anniversary celebration to solve this issue. We don't have enough new blood and not enough champions to motivate them or nudge them along. Most people have horrible post histories. They are simply not here for anything technical or even mercantile. They are here only for bounties. This may not be such a bad scenario if people actually engaged with the Alt-coins in terms of technology too.
Apart from bounties, there are following things that people can engage in:

1. Signature Campaigns:  The problem here is that the entry point to getting entry into the club of decent signatures on the forum is quite high. You need significant contribuiton and involvement in the froum while the opportunities keeps shrinking.

2. Mining: The entry point to mining is upwards of 1 Lac INR. So that is a big issue. Yet, We can try and get a few newbies interested in the technical stuff they can do with it. I would love sharing my experience of Ethereum mining on a 5-GPU rig including buying and  installation etc.
Here one thing we can attempt is to ask some people who have access to cheaper GPU's to supply them on low costs as compared to the Indian market. See if we can get some kind of market going on.

3. Raffle: The simplest easiest way seem to be gambling or raffle. First explain what a raffle is. You can only participate if you have decent contribution to the India-sub in the next say, 1 month.We can ask @legendster to manage that campaign. Once again, we need to have enough people to giveaway freely. Not just BTC but anything else of value that you think you may have in terms of alt-coins/ hardware etc.

Personally, I'd like to sponsor a tech competition of some kind and I have a Raspberry Pi to giveaway for that. I'll try making a post for that at some time.

I go through people's profiles and PM them at times to get them interested. Here are a few of the people we can try to get interested and if they engage, I am sure it'll be our pleasure to make sure that they have enough merit in return for thoughtful contributions. Just contact these people.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=390080 sureshnsnet

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=931885 denharsh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2658168 harpreetkaur

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1045345 ajtin (alt-section)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2562897 propectorr

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2592128 sykt62

It was really cool to see @Darkstar_ offer free escrow. We have the necessary people. Decide on a date. Get newbies interested. Lets have a bunch of competitions.

Thats my 2 cents. I have been pretty sick and a bit depressed lately, lol but i am hoping to get out of it soon.Lets decide on a date for the celebration giving enough time to spread the word. I am sure we can make something out of it..

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October 23, 2019, 09:37:44 AM
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Yes I was thinking of this recently. Here is that : Bitcointalk (India) I have never created a TG group, if anyone have problems in joining just PM me.
I joined the TG group but i am not able to see anything but the user who invited me says that there are contents and forwarded the screen shots and i am not sure why i am not able to see any of the conversation.
Since the group is not super-group, you will not see messages prior to your joining, only those messages which are posted after your joined the group will be displayed.



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Being a responsible Indian, I'd like to give in my contribution too worth BTC0.001 (and maybe more at the time of action) whenever any idea takes place to gather a lot more people here because since I've been here for a long time, I've understood that nobody comes here to spend their ^valuable time^ for free and so, we need to get our pockets eased up in order to bring these people out of the dark and let them describe themselves and why didn't they join the Indian subforum, a beautiful local place to be in touch with our homely fellows. My reason was straight, I never found any good discussion here except those that were started or at least discussed by users like legendster, still I kept a space between this subforum and myself but now, no more boundaries, let's bring all of us together and show our Gov too how united we, the Indians are even on a forum. We need to show them that we are huge in number, so let's do it.

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October 24, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
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Being a responsible Indian, I'd like to give in my contribution too worth BTC0.001 (and maybe more at the time of action) whenever any idea takes place to gather a lot more people here because since I've been here for a long time, I've understood that nobody comes here to spend their ^valuable time^ for free and so, we need to get our pockets eased up in order to bring these people out of the dark and let them describe themselves and why didn't they join the Indian subforum, a beautiful local place to be in touch with our homely fellows. My reason was straight, I never found any good discussion here except those that were started or at least discussed by users like legendster, still I kept a space between this subforum and myself but now, no more boundaries, let's bring all of us together and show our Gov too how united we, the Indians are even on a forum. We need to show them that we are huge in number, so let's do it.
My reason for staying away from this Sub is just the same and I believe there are many like us here who are not posting in this sub just because of shit posts people posted earlier. I think by opening up the speculation game we can advertise our Sub again.

This just gave me an idea that we should consider making a thread in the Services board announcing the competition for Indians. At least the Indian people who are unaware of the competition and the revamped version of Indian board will get to know about it.

Also, Heisenberg or somebody should consider calculating the amount and posting it here so that we can know how much the updated balance for the competition is.

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My reason was straight, I never found any good discussion here except those that were started or at least discussed by users like legendster, still I kept a space between this subforum and myself but now, no more boundaries, let's bring all of us together and show our Gov too how united we, the Indians are even on a forum. We need to show them that we are huge in number, so let's do it.
The lack of good discussion was true and when ever i was active i used to check for something and if possible i would have my inputs when ever i can and since there is an effort for a change i came back to see how this goes, if the government has to notice our unity we have to do something unique not in the forum alone, i am in for anything the community is planning.

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October 25, 2019, 05:11:45 PM
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Like everyone said above, I have been thinking why there is not much activity or lack of interesting topics in the Indian sub-forum. While proposed bill recommending jail term for crypto users might be a reason for some to stay away from the Indian sub-forum, the main reason I believe it to be the usage of English language in this sub-forum. If you see other local boards, most topics would either be a translation of guide/announcement/resources posted in the Main boards or recreation of other English threads in their local language. That's what we lack here in this sub-forum.

Generally, there is not much localised topics available to discuss. For us we have the ongoing court case, crypto bill and some foreign countries trying to enter Indian crypto market. That's all there is.. This is the same with other countries too.

So, am I suggesting to post in Hindi or other local languages in the local board to improve active discussion? No, that's because of the diversity of languages in India. If we start posting in Hindi, you'll push the non-hindi speakers outside, the same goes with the other languages. I am sure most of the Indian forum members have good command over English and prefer to read original contents rather than translated ones. While this is not true in other local boards, where more than 50% of the members lack English knowledge. That's why the recreation of English threads in local language is necessary in those local sub-forums.

So, the only way I see to improve the activity here in the sub-forum is by attracting new members towards the forum, who might be having head full of questions. Once there is enough activity going the old users will automatically join in due time.  Creation of awareness to the fellow Indians who can/can't understand English is what that is necessary.  So, why don't we plan some awareness campaigns? Maybe we can't do it as an anniversary event. But that's what our ultimate goal is to be.

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October 25, 2019, 05:37:19 PM
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If you're planning to restrict the participation to only Indian members, I don't think the speculation game would be a good option. But, the speculation game would certainly attract a lot of people towards this subforum, but I bet, most of them would be temporary who would just want to get hands on some free coins.

3rd option would just result in spam and has been done so many times over the forum.

I believe that the first option is the most feasible one and would restrict the participation to Indians only. Talking about your privacy concern, the address would be communicated over personal messages and we can decide upon a middle-man who's identity is known(Benson, if he's free) and send the coin through him, that'd make protect your information.

22 November is about a month later, and if we plan something in the coming week, I am pretty sure we'd see good amount of participation.
Also, I suggest you add an extra "comment" to be made of some sort along with price speculation to avoid leechers/spammers
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October 29, 2019, 06:35:13 AM
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The spam seems to be a major problem associated with starting a game as you have said. The topic would certainly generate interest among many spamming Indians present in the forum for free money, but as you have said they won't stay here for long and neither would contribute to the betterment.

Instead I got a idea something like, why not let us try to limit the donated amount to around 0.001BTC on November 22 and instead would conduct this sort of game for every month like "speculating the price on every 31st/30th of the month"? Will this work out? I guess everyone combinedly can contribute 0.001BTC every month which isn't a big deal actually. Only Indians who have done a significant contribution should post their speculative prices in the topic every month and rest of them would be neglected. Many veteran Indian bitcoiners have left this sub-forum due to the increasing spam which was present in 2017-2018 but they aren't now. Reporting to a far more extent helps us to keep the board under the control of Indian patrollers and drive away the spammers.

Regarding the first idea being implemented, Benson is far from reach and neither he is active here for over 2 years. I am not sure how one would be able to contact him if such an idea is implemented? Do you have any thoughts on this?

These are just my thoughts of reactivating the board from ashes and completely driving away spammers, shitposters from ruining the board again.

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October 29, 2019, 11:36:08 AM
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The spam seems to be a major problem associated with starting a game as you have said. The topic would certainly generate interest among many spamming Indians present in the forum for free money, but as you have said they won't stay here for long and neither would contribute to the betterment.

Instead I got a idea something like, why not let us try to limit the donated amount to around 0.001BTC on November 22 and instead would conduct this sort of game for every month like "speculating the price on every 31st/30th of the month"? Will this work out? I guess everyone combinedly can contribute 0.001BTC every month which isn't a big deal actually. Only Indians who have done a significant contribution should post their speculative prices in the topic every month and rest of them would be neglected. Many veteran Indian bitcoiners have left this sub-forum due to the increasing spam which was present in 2017-2018 but they aren't now. Reporting to a far more extent helps us to keep the board under the control of Indian patrollers and drive away the spammers.



This is actually a good idea.
Let's limit the game to certain pre-approved members and play this game every month. It would be fun, long-lasting and spam-free. Perfect idea Heisenberg!

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October 29, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
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The spam seems to be a major problem associated with starting a game as you have said. The topic would certainly generate interest among many spamming Indians present in the forum for free money, but as you have said they won't stay here for long and neither would contribute to the betterment.

Instead I got a idea something like, why not let us try to limit the donated amount to around 0.001BTC on November 22 and instead would conduct this sort of game for every month like "speculating the price on every 31st/30th of the month"? Will this work out? I guess everyone combinedly can contribute 0.001BTC every month which isn't a big deal actually. Only Indians who have done a significant contribution should post their speculative prices in the topic every month and rest of them would be neglected. Many veteran Indian bitcoiners have left this sub-forum due to the increasing spam which was present in 2017-2018 but they aren't now. Reporting to a far more extent helps us to keep the board under the control of Indian patrollers and drive away the spammers.



This is actually a good idea.
Let's limit the game to certain pre-approved members and play this game every month. It would be fun, long-lasting and spam-free. Perfect idea Heisenberg!
Kudos to the idea !
I think even better would be if we do the following.

1. Lets start the speculation game entries from November 1 and take in the entries upto Nov 7 or Nov 10 at the max.
Lets decide the amount whether it should be 0.001 BTC or the amount we collect by contributing together.
Let the game be open to every Indian and not just the people who are contributing towards collecting the amount.

2. Lets do it every month so that the board remains active. It would be necessary that if we do it every month then the amount should be received from everybody's contribution. If we limit it to 0.001 BTC then there are chances that at times there would be nobody who speculate for a particular month.

Key notes in the above :
For (1) The game should be open to every Indian and not just the people contributing in it.
For (2) The game will be open only for people who are contributing and reward amount will be from everyone's contribution.



Also, if we decide the winning amount to 0.001BTC then may be we can create a contribution address and where people can make the contribution and if somebody contributes more than 0.001BTC then we can use it for the future games.

Let's do it guys. It's time to start creating the thread. Also, advertising the game in services section may be a good idea. Give your opinions please.

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October 30, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
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I would be more than happy to support and be active in the celebration here.

I am even willing to add 0.001 BTC in the faith of generating some interest in the board through this activity.

Go ahead, nice to see atleast some faces pop up here with interest. Kudos.
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I hope you guys can get your local board back on track with some good and fun ideas ....

I would like to contribute for you’re first month of creating this with a .007BTC

Let me know when you release an idea and where I can send to help you kick off

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Since there were major confusions regarding who should handle the escrow, a POLL has been created!

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Since there were major confusions regarding who should handle the escrow, a POLL has been created!
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I am voting for Darkstar as he already came forward and we have discussed this already in the group and remove me from the list and add avirunes.

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November 04, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
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No need for MultiSig considering the small amount of funds. Since, the vote is limited to one. I'll chose Darkstar, as he is trusted and volunteered for our initiative without any issues. I don't mind Chronicsky or stedsm holding the aswell.

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If Darkstar has no problem to hold funds and give out money to winners every month, I don't think we need multi-sig wallet. Darkstar alone is sufficient to be trusted.

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Since there were major confusions regarding who should handle the escrow, a POLL has been created!

BTCump.

First of all, I like the idea of Speculation Games. Thanks to whoever has originally suggested it. I'm not sure about the confusion regarding escrow though, as I don't see any such discussion regarding that in this thread. In any case, it seems, I'm unable to participate in the voting process, as voting options are disabled for me!

If you guys are looking for forum escrow, here is a list to chose from - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0. But, as I can see, DarkStar_ has already showed interest and that should have already solved the problem, unless you are looking for multi-sig.

Looking at the rest of the choices in suggested escrow, it seems you guys are trying to have someone from India. In that case, I'll suggest the following names to be included in voting list...

1. deadley - Legendary - Registered on April 11, 2013 - No negative trust

2. erikalui - Legendary - Registered on July 28, 2013 - No negative trust

3. vennali - Legendary - Registered on September 26, 2013 - No negative trust

4. Stedsm - Legendary - Registered on November 28, 2013 - No negative trust

5. Avirunes - Legendary - Registered on November 30, 2013 - No negative trust

6. newIndia - Legendary - Registered on December 27, 2013 - No negative trust

All of the people mentioned above are Legendary with no negative trust from DT and registered on 2013. All of them were active within last one month, which means these people are continuously contributing for almost 6 years. I believe, that is enough at stake and we can have any one of them as escrow (or multiple if we go for multi-sig).

I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete. Wink
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I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete. Wink
Absolutely agreed. These people are to be added in the list. OP seems to have seen your post, but have not added any of them!

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I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete. Wink
Absolutely agreed. These people are to be added in the list. OP seems to have seen your post, but have not added any of them!

That's because, Avirunes is not interested in being an escrow. Deadly and newIndia seems to be not very active in the forum discussions. vennali hasn't posted in Indian Section for a long time, to be exact, the last post is on 22 May 2019

Edit: Eality also wants to be removed from the list. But I think he'll be up for the task if he got selected  Tongue

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November 05, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
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Though I think using a multi sig wallet is better when multiple people are contributing for a good cause, I do agree with the point that the amount is not so big and hence a multi sig wallet would not be necessary here. Darkstar is a reputable member and has vouched to do the escrow. Hence my vote goes to him.

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November 05, 2019, 05:21:17 PM
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I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete. Wink
Absolutely agreed. These people are to be added in the list. OP seems to have seen your post, but have not added any of them!

That's because, Avirunes is not interested in being an escrow. Deadly and newIndia seems to be not very active in the forum discussions. vennali hasn't posted in Indian Section for a long time, to be exact, the last post is on 22 May 2019

Edit: Eality also wants to be removed from the list. But I think he'll be up for the task if he got selected  Tongue

How did you know that Avirunes is not interested in being an escrow? And even if he was not, how did you know that Avirunes will not change his mind like you are saying that Eality would? When an Indian is sitting on DT1, why are we even looking further?

Deadly was last active today and newIndia was last active yesterday. newIndia is consistently active in India forum as well. Deadly's forum activity is 2044 and newIndia's forum activity is 1722. Let me know how exactly you are defining activity.

vennali was last active today. Given the spammy discussions, back stabbing and scam patronage that takes place in India forum for so long, one might chose to distance himself from here. Even OP was not active in Indian board a few months back and here was his excuse...

This guy was never an active poster on Indian board until very recently. He said this in his own words...
Who would like to post in a Garbage board which was infested by spams, scams, trolls and shitposts for over 2 years?

Similar to Lender, I have no issues with Eality either. But, why certain guys will be dropped because of one person's ego?

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OMG! Looks like I should not have posted anything yesterday. Since my post, first I earned a negative trust (which is now removed) and now this fight!

See, I am proposing a simple solution...

Let it be clear that all the donations for now will be used for this BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary. So, whoever is selected as escrow, will hold funds only till the end of this event, i.e. November 22, 2019. For any further fund creation, escrow selection will take place later. No multi-sig required for this event, provided all funds are spent on BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary celebration by November 22, 2019.

Now, DarkStar_ and Avirunes are both on DT1. Avirunes is from India, whereas DarkStar_ is from Canada. Let's first have a response from Avirunes (please dont mind DarkStar_), whether he/she wanna escrow or not. If he agrees, go with him/her. If he/she does not, go with DarkStar_, who has already agreed.

Please stop this infighting. Trust me Bitcoin aka Crypto is much more bigger than BitcoinTalk. In current trouble times, India needs unity of Crypto space.

We dont have much time left. If you guys agree with my proposal, do not post. Because, if you post, you'll start fighting again. Those who agree, just leave me me*it and we move forward together. Wink
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OMG! Looks like I should not have posted anything yesterday. Since my post, first I earned a negative trust (which is now removed) and now this fight!

See, I am proposing a simple solution...

Let it be clear that all the donations for now will be used for this BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary. So, whoever is selected as escrow, will hold funds only till the end of this event, i.e. November 22, 2019. For any further fund creation, escrow selection will take place later. No multi-sig required for this event, provided all funds are spent on BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary celebration by November 22, 2019.

Now, DarkStar_ and Avirunes are both on DT1. Avirunes is from India, whereas DarkStar_ is from Canada. Let's first have a response from Avirunes (please dont mind DarkStar_), whether he/she wanna escrow or not. If he agrees, go with him/her. If he/she does not, go with DarkStar_, who has already agreed.

Please stop this infighting. Trust me Bitcoin aka Crypto is much more bigger than BitcoinTalk. In current trouble times, India needs unity of Crypto space.

We dont have much time left. If you guys agree with my proposal, do not post. Because, if you post, you'll start fighting again. Those who agree, just leave me me*it and we move forward together. Wink

I appreciate you supporting me for the escrow but I don't feel like I am up for it due to personal reasons and also I might go inactive at any point of time. I am cool with DarkStar_ as escrow- he is professional and experienced.

I love when someone supports me but given the situation I am not in position to fill up the shoes as an escrow.

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Now, DarkStar_ and Avirunes are both on DT1.

FYI DefaultTrust only refers to the accuracy of a person's judgment, and not how trustworthy they are.

Note: I'm not saying that either myself or Avirunes are untrustworthy, just that DT1 is not a measure of that.

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November 06, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
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Voted for Darkstar since I can't see OP in the list although there is a option for that. Hey OP, why didn't you put yourself on the list? I didn't read a lot of replies though, I think you must be there. I would trust you with 1 BTC , lol
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I dont know whether the naming order can be rearranged. But, if it is, Any other active member and If anyone of you doesn't need a multisig, comment your support for whom? should be the last two options.

Also, voters need to know, how long the poll will remain active. Otherwise, OP can close it at his whim as and when he feels his choices has higher vote than others.

I think, the escrow choice through this poll should also be exclusively mentioned in the Speculation Game thread.

Now, DarkStar_ and Avirunes are both on DT1.

FYI DefaultTrust only refers to the accuracy of a person's judgment, and not how trustworthy they are.

Note: I'm not saying that either myself or Avirunes are untrustworthy, just that DT1 is not a measure of that.
Correct. I think, DT represents accuracy of a person's judgment, while trust feedbacks represent how trustworthy the person is.


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Thanks for putting up my name as an escrow but I don't wish to be one as it's a very responsible job. Darkstar is the best to choose.
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November 06, 2019, 09:48:50 PM
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Think I have voiced my opinion on this before. Thanks for the consideration. I don't think anyone could be a better option than Darkstar_ here because unlike me, he is really trusted by many people on this forum and he has proved his mettle.

Though this is no endorsement, just my opinion which is unbiased despite him helping me in my time of need.

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I dont know whether the naming order can be rearranged. But, if it is, Any other active member and If anyone of you doesn't need a multisig, comment your support for whom? should be the last two options.

Was it mandatory to post here about our opinion? I'm clear with my decision already over Telegram that I'd only prefer Darkstar_ over any other candidates here.

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Also, voters need to know, how long the poll will remain active. Otherwise, OP can close it at his whim as and when he feels his choices has higher vote than others.

Well, if you're talking about DS (I believe he supports DS as well), he may choose to do it right now as he's got enough votes over any candidate here, but that wouldn't be fair and that's why he even added more candidates like deadley, vennali and newIndia to give equal chance to everyone of them to be decided as an escrow, but I believe that our local community is highly inactive and/or unknown about this as well as very limited in number so we really can't get to a result here (if you want to hire an Indian extremely over a Canadian based on the TG group guy's comments). So it's better to stop this discussion please and leave it in the hands of DS, he's clearly the best of the best amongst any escrow on this forum.

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Since there were major confusions regarding who should handle the escrow, a POLL has been created!

BTCump.

First of all, I like the idea of Speculation Games. Thanks to whoever has originally suggested it. I'm not sure about the confusion regarding escrow though, as I don't see any such discussion regarding that in this thread. In any case, it seems, I'm unable to participate in the voting process, as voting options are disabled for me!

If you guys are looking for forum escrow, here is a list to chose from - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0. But, as I can see, DarkStar_ has already showed interest and that should have already solved the problem, unless you are looking for multi-sig.

Looking at the rest of the choices in suggested escrow, it seems you guys are trying to have someone from India. In that case, I'll suggest the following names to be included in voting list...

1. deadley - Legendary - Registered on April 11, 2013 - No negative trust

2. erikalui - Legendary - Registered on July 28, 2013 - No negative trust

3. vennali - Legendary - Registered on September 26, 2013 - No negative trust

4. Stedsm - Legendary - Registered on November 28, 2013 - No negative trust

5. Avirunes - Legendary - Registered on November 30, 2013 - No negative trust

6. newIndia - Legendary - Registered on December 27, 2013 - No negative trust

All of the people mentioned above are Legendary with no negative trust from DT and registered on 2013. All of them were active within last one month, which means these people are continuously contributing for almost 6 years. I believe, that is enough at stake and we can have any one of them as escrow (or multiple if we go for multi-sig).

I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete. Wink

Darkstar already agreed to do escrow without any fee, so I think he is best option.
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November 08, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
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I dont know whether the naming order can be rearranged. But, if it is, Any other active member and If anyone of you doesn't need a multisig, comment your support for whom? should be the last two options.

Was it mandatory to post here about our opinion? I'm clear with my decision already over Telegram that I'd only prefer Darkstar_ over any other candidates here.
Nopes. It is not mandatory at all and I have never said such either. But, what you said to whom in Telegram or who decided what in Telegram has no relevance over here in BitcoinTalk. Historically, lot of scams have taken place in BitcoinTalk due to Telegram communication. So, we should rather be wary of Telegram usage in things related to BitcoinTalk.

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Also, voters need to know, how long the poll will remain active. Otherwise, OP can close it at his whim as and when he feels his choices has higher vote than others.

Well, if you're talking about DS (I believe he supports DS as well), he may choose to do it right now as he's got enough votes over any candidate here, but that wouldn't be fair and that's why he even added more candidates like deadley, vennali and newIndia to give equal chance to everyone of them to be decided as an escrow, but I believe that our local community is highly inactive and/or unknown about this as well as very limited in number so we really can't get to a result here (if you want to hire an Indian extremely over a Canadian based on the TG group guy's comments). So it's better to stop this discussion please and leave it in the hands of DS, he's clearly the best of the best amongst any escrow on this forum.
First of all, the whole poll is meaningless if DS is there. Others are just no match with the trustworthiness of DS, who is entrusted by theymos to HODL a key for the forum fund. But, at the same time, this is an Indian thing, where we are not allowing non-Indian users. Hence, escrow should be Indian as well. A global celebration is already taking place in Meta run by theymos. I dont know, whether DS saw this thread and showed interest himself or some manipulative guy invited him here to complicate the process. Having seen lot of scammers before, I can somehow sense the modus operandi of a scammer. It seems, someone here wants to woo DS to be entrusted by him to get into DT2. That is when, we'll start to witness the real drama.

Apart from this, I think, the fund should be used in Speculation game only or something related to BitcoinTalk. For translation etc, translators can post their address here and donations can go directly to them. Fund creation is not required for this. This is my personal opinion though and can definitely be discarded. But, a fare discussion regarding this needs to take place on BitcoinTalk, not on Telegram.

In any case, I think, all eligible Indian should be given equal chance in the poll to hold the escrow.

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First of all, the whole poll is meaningless if DS is there. Others are just no match with the trustworthiness of DS, who is entrusted by theymos to HODL a key for the forum fund. But, at the same time, this is an Indian thing, where we are not allowing non-Indian users. Hence, escrow should be Indian as well.

I don't see why this is so much of an issue. It's not like I'm charging a few and profiting off of the India section celebrations. If you don't trust me enough, I guess the simple solution is to not participate in anything I run/escrow. I don't really care whether or not I escrow for this, it doesn't make a difference if I do it or if legendster does it. (or someone else entirely)

Nopes. It is not mandatory at all and I have never said such either. But, what you said to whom in Telegram or who decided what in Telegram has no relevance over here in BitcoinTalk. Historically, lot of scams have taken place in BitcoinTalk due to Telegram communication. So, we should rather be wary of Telegram usage in things related to BitcoinTalk.

I know for a fact that there is a Telegram group with a bunch of Bitcointalk members from India. Just because it's off forum doesn't make their opinions invalid.

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November 09, 2019, 08:09:47 AM
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I don't know why Darkstar shouldn't escrow this deal and why we are insisting that the escrow be an Indian. It doesn't matter as we are not using any Indian payment and Darkstar is willing to help and is more trusted than the Indians in the poll. It's after all bitcointalk anniversary so let's celebrate it rather happily and not hold any grudges for others. It's not Indian independence that is being celebrated only by us.
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November 09, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
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@Rotten Egg, everyone one of us (at least who are using the Indian forum regularly) are aware that you are a well seasoned troll here for years and we do know that replying to a troll will increase the troll's power. But since, you have started making claims here and trying to create too much drama I would like to chime in.

The telegram group right now has 21 members ranging from old timer trustworthy members to newbies. Everyone of them have been part of the Indian forum for years and are the only remaining people (after the 2017-2018 pump and dump) who are non-spammy, never received a negative trust and are highly contributing to the section. We have cumulatively spoken regarding this and have selected DarkStar for being the escrow. I have invited newIndia, deadley, avikz and other trustworthy people to the group as well to make everyone available in the group. Right now only newIndia and deadley are the only old non-negative trust Indians who have still not joined the group. You are totally banned from joining the group with yourself being a self-made troll and commenting to any of your posts in future will eventually feed you to become someone like Cryptocunter/TOAA.

Regarding the escrow, pawanjain has pitched the idea to hold the funds in a wallet which can either be controlled by me or by any of the trusted escrows.
 
Here is the post for the same :

I will participate in it as well. May be we can get a donation from other members as well and create a wallet whose private key you or an escrow can hold and give it to the winner at the end of the day.

MZ, Benson, Avirunes and escrow.ms had been the only escrow as far as Indian forum was concerned. We tried to contact MZ and Benson but both of them are far from reach and apart from the above 4 people none of the Indian has expressed interest in being a escrow so far. This is why I thought any of the global escrows could do the job for holding the amount and hence I put forward the names of DarkStar_, krogothmanhattan and bl4nkcode.

We can hire either someone like DarkStar_, krogothmanhattan or bL4nkcode (probably there are more reputed escrows) and I guess they wouldn't be imposing any fees for the escrow amount as this initiative is for a good cause and not for trading goods as such.

But some of them without reading the topic wholly has started their claims that I have imposed DarkStar's name. Both DarkStar_ and bL4nkcode uses the Piggy's notification bot and tagging their name in any of the topic in forum will trigger a PM notification to them. DarkStar_ should have seen the notification and would have expressed his interest in escrowing the amount. There is no such "PMs or deceiving DarkStar_ to be in DT" dramas over here. You are imagining things and trying to ruin everything which is very much evident in your above posts.

@DarkStar_ we would like to apologize for the unnecessary dramas created over here by these trolls. Right from 2017 December, the Indian board has been a frog pond with too much of spammers and after 2 years of reporting by newIndia, eaLiTy and myself the board is somewhat in the reactivation state and would hopefully reach betterment next year. Trolls were very much silent till 2019 but when the board is gearing up for the betterment they have started their trolling.




The celebration topic has been created and DarkStar_ is the escrow with the results of voting. The idea was pitched by me initially and hence the celebration topic has started after many discussions. This topic will be locked by now to prevent further derailing and dramas. If any of the trolls don't like the happenings going over here create a separate  topic in Meta/Reputation and complain about me.

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November 12, 2019, 08:55:02 PM
Merited by Heisenberg_Hunter (1)
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A couple of people requested that I provide some stats on the poll voters here. I am generally willing to provide poll stats that are general enough not to identify individual voters. If you want actual voter lists published, then you have to warn people about this in advance.

One person specifically requested that I provide counts of voters who had at least 10 merit. 10 voters for DarkStar_ had at least 10 merit, while 8 voters for legendster had at least 10 merit. An additional stat which I came up with: Consider the amount of merit that each voter earned over the last year. The median of that stat was 82 for DarkStar_ voters, and 3 for legendster voters.

I am only providing stats; do not interpret this as me supporting anyone. I barely even know what you're voting on here.

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