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October 13, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers


https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/binance/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/coinsbit/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/p2pb2b/


https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/binance.com   #1882 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 9m 36sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsbit.io      # 37,016 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 42sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/p2pb2b.io       #29,149 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 45sec


The information above can be used to compare Binance exchange with the two scam exchanges (coinsbit and p2pb2b) that are owned by super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk.

The super scammer from Ukraine that owns coinsbit scam exchange and p2pb2b scam exchange (Valerii Solodovnyk) has gone to even new extraordinary levels.

Both coinsbit and p2pb2b websites have nearly no traffic and their visitors are on the website for such a short time before moving on but they make ridiculous bold claims.

Both coinsbit and p2pb2 have near zero 'real' social media followers but they are scamming project owners by charging ridiculous amounts of money ($100,000+) to list their coins/tokens by inflating their statistics and also launching their own fake IEO projects so they can scam investors.

Super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk from Ukraine now claims his coinsbit scam exchange is 37th largest in the world and makes an even bigger claim that p2pb2b is the biggest exchange with 24 hour volumes of over $1 BILLION   Roll Eyes

While the image shows nearly all exchanges 24 hour volumes in red, somehow p2pb2b managed an 88.71% increase with another dodgy exchange called BigOne (which I never heard of before) showing 86.58% increase in green.

What a pathetic bunch of modern day robbers and thieves these scammers are.






Some interesting threads about the exchanges owned by Ukrainian super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk

p2pb2b:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166081.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163367.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190513.0

coinsbit:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4971628.0 (deleted by moderators as it was flooded by sock-puppets)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190706.0 (requesting the new coinsbit thread gets deleted too as it is overrun with sock-puppets)

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October 13, 2019, 09:26:39 AM
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~snip~


~https://i.postimg.cc/k5QjB1sw/p2pb2b100-Copy.png~

Wait this image, is it from CMC?
If yes then we must say that the stats CMC providing is very wrong LOL
How come they?!

Edit:
LOL yeah
https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/
Really!

So basically those scam exchanges are sending fake volume through their API. They should be banned by CMC.





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October 13, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.





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October 14, 2019, 08:35:24 PM
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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.

Yeah, but they are not modest and pump volume just for 10% or something that is explicable.  But hey, over of $1 BILLION /24h?? He acts like kids to have fun.

I used this "exchange" to change some altcoins and I can confirm accusations about the fake volume on p2pb2b.





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October 14, 2019, 11:10:25 PM
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Wait this image, is it from CMC?
If yes then we must say that the stats CMC providing is very wrong LOL
How come they?!

Edit:
LOL yeah
https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/
Really!

So basically those scam exchanges are sending fake volume through their API. They should be banned by CMC.


I hope Coinmarketcap start clamping down on these types of scammers that send fake data just to try to show prospective users they are bigger than they really are because they want to scam.

The fake claim is unbelievable. For this scam outfit to claim to be the worlds biggest exchange is beyond any words....

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Last edit: October 15, 2019, 03:48:07 AM by Taskford
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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.

Yeah, but they are not modest and pump volume just for 10% or something that is explicable.  But hey, over of $1 BILLION /24h?? He acts like kids to have fun.

I used this "exchange" to change some altcoins and I can confirm accusations about the fake volume on p2pb2b.

Lol! So lame to trade on them and actually they don't have a actual volume if you place sell on your tokens and it will just go on orders, and I believe there's no actual user doing some trades since no indicator that the alts listed is moving gradually or shall we say organically And it's so shady for them to manipulate the volume and additional thing that get me a doubt to trust them up is they ask KYC before you can withdraw your funds.

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While the image shows nearly all exchanges 24 hour volumes in red, somehow p2pb2b managed an 88.71% increase with another dodgy exchange called BigOne (which I never heard of before) showing 86.58% increase in green.

BigOne is an EOS Dapps exchange, I used it many times and they really have a lot of traders there. I vouch it because I join on EOS trader telegram group and we always discuss good new EOS dapps token to invest. BIGone exchange is great store for all EOS tokens. Compared to P2PB2B which is obviously a scam exchange that fakes there volume using bots.

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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.

CMC is still a good website, lots of information but they should consider blocking their API to scammers such as p2pb2b and its sister company coinsbit.

The pumping and obvious deceit these exchanges put out on Coinmarketcap is having a detrimental effect on investors, it plays in to the hands of scam exchanges that are pumping out fake IEOs taking place on their scam exchanges.

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So basically those scam exchanges are sending fake volume through their API. They should be banned by CMC.

Everyone does, the only difference is by how much and how much they are paying CMC.

I've always told people that those billions in trade are all fake and every time somebody decides to throw a thousand or so in bitcoins in a dump we go down by 10 or 20% on something that shouldn't even make the charts blink.
It's becoming worse and worse, every damn thing is fake, the volume is fake, market cap if fake, fake news after fake news (no joke) after fake teams and companies, instead of becoming more mature the whole environment is just more toxic.

Unfortunately, a lot of newbies will go there, start trading, fill the pockets of owners with enough to bribe CM to shut up.
Probably the only way that *** will be delisted is not by angry emails for ten or twenty persons which CMC staff will not even read, but by one of the big boys like Binance getting annoyed by it.




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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.

CMC is still a good website, lots of information but they should consider blocking their API to scammers such as p2pb2b and its sister company coinsbit.

The pumping and obvious deceit these exchanges put out on Coinmarketcap is having a detrimental effect on investors, it plays in to the hands of scam exchanges that are pumping out fake IEOs taking place on their scam exchanges.

Maybe in the p2pb2b exchange, a lot of IEO comes and the volume goes into daily trading by Coinamrketcap so it feels like a popular exchange with many users even though p2pb2b claims that many people say fraud,

Coinsbit has only been launched for a few weeks and now has reached a volume of $ 233,113,742 at Coingecko. Do you think this is reasonable?


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don't be surprised guys, how coinsbit and p2pb2b get visitors quickly in large numbers .. both of these exchanges make a large amount of airdrops per user (though that is impossible) around 5000 coinsbit (CNB) worth 500 $ in the first airdrop with a claim price of 0.1 $ and 2000 CNB in ​​the second airdrop. and they have a user ID verification from their airdop. if for trade. bot can increase the amount of volume in 24 hours. that's a fraudulent exchange. but you are good, have reminded the users here. be careful to register on a scammer exchange like this.

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don't be surprised guys, how coinsbit and p2pb2b get visitors quickly in large numbers .. both of these exchanges make a large amount of airdrops per user (though that is impossible) around 5000 coinsbit (CNB) worth 500 $ in the first airdrop with a claim price of 0.1 $ and 2000 CNB in ​​the second airdrop. and they have a user ID verification from their airdop. if for trade. bot can increase the amount of volume in 24 hours. that's a fraudulent exchange. but you are good, have reminded the users here. be careful to register on a scammer exchange like this.

did you get this CNB worth $500 and successfully withdraw it to your wallet?
I know his latest airdrop "Webdollar" WEBD. 500 tokens per user which worth 500 satoshi's which of course you can't sell because minimum order is 0.0001.
Everyone can say he is so generous, giving away free money, even if not really worth anything.





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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers


https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/binance/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/coinsbit/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/p2pb2b/


https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/binance.com   #1882 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 9m 36sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsbit.io      # 37,016 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 42sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/p2pb2b.io       #29,149 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 45sec


The information above can be used to compare Binance exchange with the two scam exchanges (coinsbit and p2pb2b) that are owned by super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk.


That's how the scammers are deceiving crypto newbies. Boosted amount of fake followers, fake trading volumes, fake promotions and advertising. Coinmarketcap should delist that Exchange for displaying fake volumes.
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I know his latest airdrop "Webdollar" WEBD. 500 tokens per user which worth 500 satoshi's which of course you can't sell because minimum order is 0.0001.

Lols, 0.001 BTC in volume. Anyhow, I wonder who still wants to buy this, there are close to 1000$ in buy orders. Probably fake but...

don't be surprised guys, how coinsbit and p2pb2b get visitors quickly in large numbers .. both of these exchanges make a large amount of airdrops per user (though that is impossible) around 5000 coinsbit (CNB) worth 500 $ in the first airdrop with a claim price of 0.1 $ and 2000 CNB in ​​the second airdrop.
did you get this CNB worth $500 and successfully withdraw it to your wallet?

Rather than withdrawing it, can you even sell it?
I can't find a CNB pair on either of them, something I'm missing here? Was this supposed to be something like  binance coin?

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October 17, 2019, 12:16:33 PM
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Yeah, but they are not modest and pump volume just for 10% or something that is explicable.  But hey, over of $1 BILLION /24h?? He acts like kids to have fun.

I used this "exchange" to change some altcoins and I can confirm accusations about the fake volume on p2pb2b.


How on earth do they think users will buy in to their lies?

And furthermore, it is tarnishing the reputation CMC has so they should stop allowing all scammer exchanges like them to stop using their service.

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World's biggest scam exchange perhaps?
If I am not mistaken, only bounty or airdrop hunters actually register on their exchange to dump their tokens.

CMC claimed that they made some changes before to fight fake volumes but it looks like their counter measures aren't working.

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October 21, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
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coinsbit is pumping his thread here on btalk with fake accounts.
P2PB2B is literary the same as coinsbit, made by the same people
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To be honest i am not surprised to see these kind of numbers on CMC, it happened before as well, with some 2nd grade exchanges having ridiculously high volume, or even being on top like in this case.
CMC unfortunately  became almost useless, as it gives skewed picture of exchanges volume, and might trick inexperienced traders into using them, especially now when IEOs are very popular thing, so those shady exchanges are pumping volume in order to attract projects.

Yeah, but they are not modest and pump volume just for 10% or something that is explicable.  But hey, over of $1 BILLION /24h?? He acts like kids to have fun.

I used this "exchange" to change some altcoins and I can confirm accusations about the fake volume on p2pb2b.

Lol! So lame to trade on them and actually they don't have a actual volume if you place sell on your tokens and it will just go on orders, and I believe there's no actual user doing some trades since no indicator that the alts listed is moving gradually or shall we say organically And it's so shady for them to manipulate the volume and additional thing that get me a doubt to trust them up is they ask KYC before you can withdraw your funds.


Their trade figures are complete lies. Look at their Jewel market: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/jewel/#markets

p2pb2b shows: $613,728    
their nearest competitor BTC Alpha shows: $1,517    


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October 24, 2019, 04:51:09 AM
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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers


https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/binance/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/coinsbit/
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/p2pb2b/


https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/binance.com   #1882 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 9m 36sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsbit.io      # 37,016 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 42sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/p2pb2b.io       #29,149 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 45sec


The information above can be used to compare Binance exchange with the two scam exchanges (coinsbit and p2pb2b) that are owned by super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk.

The super scammer from Ukraine that owns coinsbit scam exchange and p2pb2b scam exchange (Valerii Solodovnyk) has gone to even new extraordinary levels.

Both coinsbit and p2pb2b websites have nearly no traffic and their visitors are on the website for such a short time before moving on but they make ridiculous bold claims.

Both coinsbit and p2pb2 have near zero 'real' social media followers but they are scamming project owners by charging ridiculous amounts of money ($100,000+) to list their coins/tokens by inflating their statistics and also launching their own fake IEO projects so they can scam investors.

Super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk from Ukraine now claims his coinsbit scam exchange is 37th largest in the world and makes an even bigger claim that p2pb2b is the biggest exchange with 24 hour volumes of over $1 BILLION   Roll Eyes

While the image shows nearly all exchanges 24 hour volumes in red, somehow p2pb2b managed an 88.71% increase with another dodgy exchange called BigOne (which I never heard of before) showing 86.58% increase in green.

What a pathetic bunch of modern day robbers and thieves these scammers are.

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Some interesting threads about the exchanges owned by Ukrainian super scammer Valerii Solodovnyk

p2pb2b:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166081.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163367.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190513.0

coinsbit:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4971628.0 (deleted by moderators as it was flooded by sock-puppets)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190706.0 (requesting the new coinsbit thread gets deleted too as it is overrun with sock-puppets)

None of this proves anything and have you considered that if this is a legitimate project then affectively you are a negative contributer to the crypto world? It's half assed allegations backed with useless evidence.

I'm not saying this is a scam or it isnt. My issue is this thread and others like this are made and even though you feel you have provided sufficient proof it's a scam in most the allegation threads I can normally find a legitimate reason they would do such things for the good a the project of it was legitimate. It's a tough competition in the exchange market and even legitimately run for long periods of time exchanges have been caught publishing fake volumes, it's great promotion simple as that and if he is doing it well then he also needs to do it to keep up.

To be fair if your looking to invest in anything in this world you should always proceed with caution and do the research needed and only risk money you can afford to lose and work out what's a fair amount to risk after doing a risk assessment.

It frustrates me that this website will let such allegation threads stand in a position that is uncertain while they still have the project in question advertising freely. They really need to be a lot stricter with these threads and give a timeframe to prove the allegations beyond reasonable Doubt or possibly even under undeniable evidence. If this isn't achieved the post should be removed as it can hurt legitimate projects and even stop them in their tracks. Which is quite unfair to the dev team who out in all the hard work, and potential investors who could of made some money but got scared off. This also hurts the credibility of this forum as it certainly has conflicts of interest issues arising from this current system.

So please I'm all for exposing scammers as they are the lowest form of human being existing, they prey on people's hopes and dreams and crush them. Even a street beger commands respect in comparison as at least they are honestly asking you directly for your money. But certainly legitimate projects have suffered from false allegations on this website and some have even had their hopes, dreams and hard work crushed because allegations scared potential investors off and the project although wasn't strong had a chance to be a success to some degree but the allegations basically being the straw that broke the camels back. So just consider that please before throwing out allegations as ultimately you are crushing someone's hopes and dreams just like a scammer does if you understand what I'm saying making your intentions to protect people from scammers very ironical.

So the owner of this exchange has a bad record and is there proof of this? There is a fine blurry line between the differences of a failed project and a scam project. Is there undeniable evidence his are scam projects or could of they just be failed projects and he has lived and learnt the hard way how to build a successful project? Legitimate project in an extremely competitive market also use tricks like fake volumes and members and any other means necessary to promote their business and give them the edge over the competition this has been happening for 1000s of years and in this world in most industries this is common practice as if you don't you get left behind. So please before posting a finding consider if it is just a dishonest promotion for a legitimate business or find the smoking barrel that proves it's a scam.

Unfortunately the crypto world is filled with scammers and we'll with no policing department it's the custom built playground for them. Anyone who wants a good future for the crypto world needs to be able to make sure they are not killing off people with the same intentions and basically become another form of victim of scammers. This website especially being a frontline of promoting crypto and exposing scammers really needs to get off their high horse and do their job and make a successful system that protects the innocent from being a victim and exposes scammers undeniably instead of this current system that is just complete mess that leave uncertainty any which way you look at it.

This is no doubt the responsibility of who ever runs this website and if you never address this issue then your main interest can't be for the future of crypto and or your dumb, lazy and many other factors that are negative. So please for the good of crypto and the credibility of your website design a structure that brings closure either way to such allegations in a promt period of time.....
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None of this proves anything and have you considered that if this is a legitimate project then affectively you are a negative contributer to the crypto world? It's half assed allegations backed with useless evidence.

I'm not saying this is a scam or it isnt. My issue is this thread and others like this are made and even though you feel you have provided sufficient proof it's a scam in most the allegation threads I can normally find a legitimate reason they would do such things for the good a the project of it was legitimate. It's a tough competition in the exchange market and even legitimately run for long periods of time exchanges have been caught publishing fake volumes, it's great promotion simple as that and if he is doing it well then he also needs to do it to keep up.

Did you read all the suggested topic and user experience with this exchange?
depicting a false trading volume and creating a false image that is successful is a fraud. users are misled that they can use this exchange for trading and when they find out it's not true, they have a problem to withdraw his money from there. Similar allegations do not come from just one person.

To be fair if your looking to invest in anything in this world you should always proceed with caution and do the research needed and only risk money you can afford to lose and work out what's a fair amount to risk after doing a risk assessment.


There are people who are not skilful on their own to recognise a scam or to do deeply investigate before invest. That is why they are made exchanges like this, and these are the reason why warnings are made.





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None of this proves anything and have you considered that if this is a legitimate project then affectively you are a negative contributer to the crypto world? It's half assed allegations backed with useless evidence.

I'm not saying this is a scam or it isnt. My issue is this thread and others like this are made and even though you feel you have provided sufficient proof it's a scam in most the allegation threads I can normally find a legitimate reason they would do such things for the good a the project of it was legitimate. It's a tough competition in the exchange market and even legitimately run for long periods of time exchanges have been caught publishing fake volumes, it's great promotion simple as that and if he is doing it well then he also needs to do it to keep up.

Did you read all the suggested topic and user experience with this exchange?
depicting a false trading volume and creating a false image that is successful is a fraud. users are misled that they can use this exchange for trading and when they find out it's not true, they have a problem to withdraw his money from there. Similar allegations do not come from just one person.

To be fair if your looking to invest in anything in this world you should always proceed with caution and do the research needed and only risk money you can afford to lose and work out what's a fair amount to risk after doing a risk assessment.


There are people who are not skilful on their own to recognise a scam or to do deeply investigate before invest. That is why they are made exchanges like this, and these are the reason why warnings are made.

point made! the major prob is for the noobs that dont know the background of such exchanges and when they trade with them, it might be too late when they find out they are being screwed.
so it is really helpful to have this kind of thread so people are being warned for what might happen to their hard-earned money. but they have all the freedom to deal with those exchanges, at least they have forewarning and its on them afterwards.

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Last edit: October 24, 2019, 11:59:31 AM by JollyGood
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~snip~
None of this proves anything and have you considered that if this is a legitimate project then affectively you are a negative contributer to the crypto world? It's half assed allegations backed with useless evidence.
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Another pathetic imecile added to my IGNORE list. He does not believe p2pb2b scam exchange is the biggest in the world and does not believe its sister company coinsbit scam exchange is the 36th biggest exchange.

This newbie fool has ignored the main part of the post other another agenda which can be seen in his post pattern.

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October 24, 2019, 12:53:01 PM
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There are enough reports about fraudsters P2PB2B and COINSBIT, the fake volume and fake bitcointalk accounts make looks this two exchange more shady of what they already are
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None of this proves anything and have you considered that if this is a legitimate project then affectively you are a negative contributer to the crypto world? It's half assed allegations backed with useless evidence.
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Another pathetic imecile added to my IGNORE list. He does not believe p2pb2b scam exchange is the biggest in the world and does not believe its sister company coinsbit scam exchange is the 36th biggest exchange.

This newbie fool has ignored the main part of the post other another agenda which can be seen in his post pattern.


Newbie to post on this website yes but I visit a lot, this is what I actually consider the biggest critic of any project and it's always good to see the opinion of the biggest critic to weigh into the factors.

But as anyone here would know there have certainly been a lot of legitimate projects have allegations thrown at them. In your allegations you call the owner "super scammer" but where is the proof of this?

There is a very fine line between a scam project and a badly run legitimate project, also between a scam project and a project that gives fakes advertising to gain attention.

With you weightless allegations, as in what real evidence have you provided that it is a scam project and not just a legitimate project giving false advertising to try and boost the project? Nothing it's just your opinions and others opinions and a couple of people who had problems withdrawing , but did they withdraw eventually? I'm sure plenty of people have made successful withdrawals.

I noticed and I'm not sure if you wrote it or one of the sheep that jumped on your band wagon but talks about being able to withdraw CND tokens as if you can't it's a scam project. Now who ever wrote that I couldn't be bothered finding it is a noob. A tiny amount of research and it is easy to find that the tokens are able to be used on the exchange 24th December the day after final distribution. So please before you go running your mouth make sure you know what your talking about.

Personally these Jolly big allegations come with tiny amounts of evidence and a bunch of hearsay. I have read all the review websites and spent many hours learning everything I could about this project which I don't think you have done. Only one review suggests anything suss buy unlike you doesn't go pointing a finger just highlights a few factors that could been seen as suss, also have many legitimate reasons.

My conclusion is that it is most likely a legitimate project and I would be very surprised if those volumes are even close to real and yes maybe they pushed that one a little far but I personally don't hold that against them as I'm convinced all exchanges buff up the volume. With the status quo it is a must. Binance has its token listed on Coinsbit and it would be very interesting to see what their big wigs are saying, that would certainly expose a lot of fact.

So please jolly go ahead and reply to my message with a heap of links from this website that hold just as much weight as your allegations if you feel that's what is the best thing to do. Personally I feel that you should post allegation threads unless you are going to bring compelling evidence to say the least. I feel the effort and evidence you have provided is extremely noob.

I believe you have this wrong and if so are you going to apologize for running your mouth with half assed research, even less evidence to back it. If in the not so far future this project is undeniably legitimate?

So for the greater good of the crypto world balance out factors such as how much damage you can do to a legitimate project vs how many noobs you might save from being scammed by one project, they will get scammed elsewhere at some point anyway if they where silly enough to be vulnerable before you might of saved them, but do those type of cannon fodder actually even ever visit this website and read your posts? Not very likely.
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if you know for the fact that you are not trading on these two exchanges and not visited on them even once, you really would be amaze how they got to the top of the list on CMC. users had already seen it since the start of IEO that these small exchanges are the ones that's going to scam investors. they may list those tokens but that's only it. both the team and the exchange can laugh to have got away with all these. i'm sure its not just these two exchanges.


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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers
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Ok so this proves what exactly? Binance a fully established successful exchange has more Twitter followers over these two exchanges as they should?

Well this brought an interesting fact that no one else has decided to dig up which I feel is a critical fact. I haven't checked if Binance ever used airdrops as a means to make anyone who wanted the freeby buff up their following on social media and also I haven't checked of P2PB2B did either.

But Coinsbits certainly didn't make anyone follow any social media to meet the requirements of their free CNB token and have relied upon good old fashion word of mouth. This is certainly not a factor that a scam project would choose. They always rely on social media shockwaves to create a big smoke screen.

https://cryptokiemtien.com/coinsbit-exchange-airdrop-cnb-token-earn-5000-cnb-tokens-free/

This fact makes those numbers you posted actually quite impressive.

Maybe a through tactic when pointing the finger could be to see if you can prove the project is legitimate with as much effort as you try and prove its a scam, in saying that you have not made much effort to point the finger on this project. I personally will be bringing this all back up in the future if you have got this one wrong and will be highlighting all your mistakes in a complete breakdown.

I expect to be doing this as a matter of my opinion I'm pointing the finger at you claiming you have this one wrong and clearly have not done enough research to be pointing fingers. A very detailed version I will provide of my opinion is right and an apology if your opinion in advance is correct, though I still feel your effort on this allegation is rated E-
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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers
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Ok so this proves what exactly? Binance a fully established successful exchange has more Twitter followers over these two exchanges as they should?

Proves that they are much more successful than Binance. They have a much higher trading volume of a fully established successful exchange with far fewer users. there is nothing strange to you or you just seem naive?

I find you spreading FUD to coinsbit and p2pb2b just because of a few free coins. Free, worthless airdrops serve to praise them and look away from the real problem.





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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers
Snip!

Ok so this proves what exactly? Binance a fully established successful exchange has more Twitter followers over these two exchanges as they should?

Proves that they are much more successful than Binance. They have a much higher trading volume of a fully established successful exchange with far fewer users. there is nothing strange to you or you just seem naive?

I find you spreading FUD to coinsbit and p2pb2b just because of a few free coins. Free, worthless airdrops serve to praise them and look away from the real problem.


That user has an ulterior motive, is definitely is not naive.

Writing the trash he did then having a referral link to p2pb2b sister scam exchange coinsbit makes some of it clear.

I have added the user to my IGNORE list as I cannot be bothered to read his trash posts.

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BEWARE OF p2pb2b AND coinsbit EXCHANGES


https://twitter.com/binance - 1 million+ followers
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b - just 33k followers
https://twitter.com/c0insbit - just 19k followers
Snip!

Ok so this proves what exactly? Binance a fully established successful exchange has more Twitter followers over these two exchanges as they should?

Proves that they are much more successful than Binance. They have a much higher trading volume of a fully established successful exchange with far fewer users. there is nothing strange to you or you just seem naive?

I find you spreading FUD to coinsbit and p2pb2b just because of a few free coins. Free, worthless airdrops serve to praise them and look away from the real problem.


That user has an ulterior motive, is definitely is not naive.

Writing the trash he did then having a referral link to p2pb2b sister scam exchange coinsbit makes some of it clear.

Well Jolly I don't know how well you can comprehend English but as far as I'm concerned I have been very direct about my opinions.

No ulterior motive just exactly what I have written but just incase you have missed my whole point I will break it down into layman's terms for you:

- Your allegations are backed with very weak evidence.

- I feel your opinion about this project is wrong.

- I agree that it is most likely the volumes are fake, but doesn't mean it's a scam project. Most if not all exchanges would buff their volumes.

- You should not make allegations without doing sufficient research to prove your opinion with some sort of comprehensive evidence.

- Your intentions might be nobel but with the amount of effort you have put into your allegations you are bound to get many of these opinions wrong. In turn you are going to do more harm then good for the crypto world over time.

- My stance is I am open to the possibility it could be a scam project as I am not naive, after doing a lot more research then you I feel that it is a lot more likely it is a legitimate project. Your are naive on the other hand with tunnel vision.

- I feel this topic needs discussing and instead of just criticism towards me why don't you do something productive and find something conclusive that proves this is a scam project.


What happened to the guy who was posting in scam projects with a banner that read something like

"BIG ALLEGATIONS REQUIRE EVEN BIGGER EVIDENCE"

Something along those lines, meaning the same thing. Because he would understand what I am saying and I'm sure he would agree that your effort on this topic you started is very poor.

Look let me help you out, here is a few links that are actually quite hard to find without putting in some sort of effort:

https://rates.guru/en/exchanger/coinsbit.pro/reviews.html

Well good chance you wrote this review as it just lists as scam without any effort, less effort then yours to be fair.

https://nomics.com/exchanges/coinsbit/reviews

This review you really should read as it will save you a lot of time. This is some very constructive criticism of the exchange with a lot of good points which I'm sure might help you find some comprehensive evidence if any actually exists. But even though he has clearly done more research then you he isn't narrow minded in his opinions like yourself.

So please find the smoking barrel I encourage you to make the effort to back your opinion and that will save me spending anymore time on this project.

As it stands there are the two links above and the scam allegations on this forum as the only information I can find against this project. Up against a lot of positive reviews and facts. Which weighing it all up I have came to the opinion that it is more then likely a legitimate project.

Let's make this clear, volume buffing is done by legitimate exchanges also. If that's the best you can find that won't change my opinion. I already believe they are over buffing their volumes and I think it's a valid tactic in this industry especially for a fresh exchange to help get them off the ground.

Of course I would rather see only legitimate volumes of every exchange but the reality is in an industry that has no governing body this will never happen and that's just reality.
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https://nomics.com/exchanges/coinsbit/reviews

This review you really should read as it will save you a lot of time. This is some very constructive criticism of the exchange with a lot of good points which I'm sure might help you find some comprehensive evidence if any actually exists. But even though he has clearly done more research then you he isn't narrow minded in his opinions like yourself.

What is there constructive? they are no proof with shit good project comments like:

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Coinsbit is the next generation of Cryptocurrency Exchange

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I registered everyone I could on this exchange. Well earned!

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One of the best exchanges. Real earnings!

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Go trade there, risk your money but don't recommend it to anyone.





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Is it unregulated or a scam?  It seems like that is a matter of opinion.  I definitely don't think it's cool to report bid/ask prices that are not actually bid/ask prices executed by traders and are actually wash trades not touchable by anyone else.  But it is their exchange with regulations or lack of regulations that allow them to do that. 

I can't take it too seriously and people should be adults and read their terms of service before they get involved with such exchanges.

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Is it unregulated or a scam?  It seems like that is a matter of opinion.


Both coinsbit and its sister exchange p2pb2b (both owned by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk) cam back on to the scene at t end of 2018 after hibernating.

The IEO craze was their driving factor. They are inflating figures so they can do 2 main things. One is to charge projects $100,000 to list their tokens and the other is to collude with projects running IEOs (or run their own fake IEOs) to pump them an get financial benefit for themselves.

The notion that p2pb2b is bigger than Binance is preposterous. Checking their order books show they are scammers sending fake volume sto CMC to impress gullible investors and newbies.

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November 02, 2019, 02:58:26 AM
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Is it unregulated or a scam?  It seems like that is a matter of opinion.


Both coinsbit and its sister exchange p2pb2b (both owned by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk) cam back on to the scene at t end of 2018 after hibernating.

The IEO craze was their driving factor. They are inflating figures so they can do 2 main things. One is to charge projects $100,000 to list their tokens and the other is to collude with projects running IEOs (or run their own fake IEOs) to pump them an get financial benefit for themselves.

The notion that p2pb2b is bigger than Binance is preposterous. Checking their order books show they are scammers sending fake volume sto CMC to impress gullible investors and newbies.

I will also be the last to believe that they are the number one exchange if we are going to have a poll here Binance and Kucoin, in my opinion, will be battling in the top position, not P2PB2B, an exchange that keeps inflating or faking their volume has a hidden agenda on it, they want more coins to prefer them over the others, and you hit it again, they are going to charge high listing fees, because they claim to be the number one exchange, if they cheat their system, what more can you expect, will they do to their users.

Yeah so... guys, believe me, I hated this exchange for a good two weeks too while I was waiting for a few coins to finally arrive in the account and by the time they arrived I had missed the trade opportunity I was looking for.  And then when I did go to trade it wasn't worth it and there were trades going through that I couldn't even touch.

HOWEVER... lol...

No one has offered actual proof of any scam.  They are UNREGULATED or regulated very loosely where they are incorporated to do business.  Some may not like and others may be just fine with it.  Look, it is obvious some things are taking place that are "traditionally" considered a scam.  Prices are being artificially inflated or propped up.  Volume is reported is often times from what regulated markets would call "WASH" trading.  But these are problems in REGULATED markets.  There are pros and cons to what they are doing.  Now that I have been around in their markets a bit longer I actually see some nice trading opportunities compared to assets being traded on other markets. 

I am very interested in any evidence of ACTUAL scams but I am also VERY interested in the clear discernment of perceptions that are obviously based on how people think things should be regulated.  Some states/nations legalize various vices while others prosecute as crimes.  One of the biggest things I've enjoyed about blockchain is its disruptive nature.  I think exchanges like p2pb2b are sort of cool for making us rethink existing regulated markets.

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November 02, 2019, 04:31:49 AM
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they do wash trading, i was watching the BTC USD maket and all trading happening are not executing from the orderbook, so while the book stay the same not moving the trade history is full running with data, so how is this possible? yes internal trading bot manipulating the exchange trading history so can be on the top of coinmarketcap, and this raise alarm that it can be a possible scam, because why they will need to do this? the reason is to attract users who might think this exchange has good liquidity but is all fake, so my personal opinion is to avoid this exchange because is a possible scam
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they do wash trading, i was watching the BTC USD maket and all trading happening are not executing from the orderbook, so while the book stay the same not moving the trade history is full running with data, so how is this possible? yes internal trading bot manipulating the exchange trading history so can be on the top of coinmarketcap, and this raise alarm that it can be a possible scam, because why they will need to do this? the reason is to attract users who might think this exchange has good liquidity but is all fake, so my personal opinion is to avoid this exchange because is a possible scam

Anyone can see the near mirror trades with slight differences taking place.  And it's completely visible while this is happening so where is the scam?  Regulated exchanges have arranged trades that also generate volume.  How is this different?

edit:  just want to be clear.. based on my own experiences I can't recommend this exchange.  however, I do currently use this exchange for some small trades.  I may have better or worse comments later depending on how that works out

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Both coinsbit and its sister exchange p2pb2b (both owned by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk) cam back on to the scene at t end of 2018 after hibernating.

The IEO craze was their driving factor. They are inflating figures so they can do 2 main things. One is to charge projects $100,000 to list their tokens and the other is to collude with projects running IEOs (or run their own fake IEOs) to pump them an get financial benefit for themselves.

The notion that p2pb2b is bigger than Binance is preposterous. Checking their order books show they are scammers sending fake volume sto CMC to impress gullible investors and newbies.

I will also be the last to believe that they are the number one exchange if we are going to have a poll here Binance and Kucoin, in my opinion, will be battling in the top position, not P2PB2B, an exchange that keeps inflating or faking their volume has a hidden agenda on it, they want more coins to prefer them over the others, and you hit it again, they are going to charge high listing fees, because they claim to be the number one exchange, if they cheat their system, what more can you expect, will they do to their users.


The idea or the notion these Ukrainian scammers operate an exchange bigger than Binance is an absolute joke. A 30 second look at their orders actually shows them to be faking on almost single pair.

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Well, it is better to trade with caution. If a scam accusation has been leveled against an exchange, I will rather stay off when there are many alternatives

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Both coinsbit and its sister exchange p2pb2b (both owned by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk) cam back on to the scene at t end of 2018 after hibernating.

The IEO craze was their driving factor. They are inflating figures so they can do 2 main things. One is to charge projects $100,000 to list their tokens and the other is to collude with projects running IEOs (or run their own fake IEOs) to pump them an get financial benefit for themselves.

The notion that p2pb2b is bigger than Binance is preposterous. Checking their order books show they are scammers sending fake volume sto CMC to impress gullible investors and newbies.

I will also be the last to believe that they are the number one exchange if we are going to have a poll here Binance and Kucoin, in my opinion, will be battling in the top position, not P2PB2B, an exchange that keeps inflating or faking their volume has a hidden agenda on it, they want more coins to prefer them over the others, and you hit it again, they are going to charge high listing fees, because they claim to be the number one exchange, if they cheat their system, what more can you expect, will they do to their users.


The idea or the notion these Ukrainian scammers operate an exchange bigger than Binance is an absolute joke. A 30 second look at their orders actually shows them to be faking on almost single pair.


Later on, I think they will get tired of doing the manipulation of their trading.
Their approach to be on top is not sustainable.
Give them maybe a year or couple of years, and we will see their true color.
But if they will continue, maybe with the help of their trading bots, what is there to gain with this action?
They will just gain more haters from the crypto community. And traders will slowly run away from them.
It is their choice anyway.

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They are using their bot so they can charge huge amount to those who wants to list their coins the only coins I have that is listed in their exchange that is not listed anywhere else is a shitcoin name LIKERR, I'm ok not to dump this coin and just rot in my wallet than to use this exchange, developers should not prefer this exchange for faking and claiming to be number one.



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November 04, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
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I was also hit by a scam from this market.
is nobody here opening a discussion to delist this market from coinmarketcap?
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November 04, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
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Well, it is better to trade with caution. If a scam accusation has been leveled against an exchange, I will rather stay off when there are many alternatives

That same principle should be applied by all users.

There are so many options and alternatives to use, everybody should stay away from these scammers at p2pb2b and its sister scam exchange coinsbit too. why would anybody risk losing their crypto for just trying to trade?

These scammers are selective scamming users so please avoid p2pb2b and its sister scam exchange coinsbit

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P2PB2B is obviously a scam, if you have any assets there I recommend you to withdraw them asap (if you can...)

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

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P2PB2B is obviously a scam, if you have any assets there I recommend you to withdraw them asap (if you can...)

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650



Nice thread, I shared it. many users are stuck with funds there.

Check comments on his pinned tweet:
https://twitter.com/p2pb2b/status/1096075683602853888





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November 04, 2019, 11:57:15 PM
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Well, it is better to trade with caution. If a scam accusation has been leveled against an exchange, I will rather stay off when there are many alternatives

That same principle should be applied by all users.

There are so many options and alternatives to use, everybody should stay away from these scammers at p2pb2b and its sister scam exchange coinsbit too. why would anybody risk losing their crypto for just trying to trade?

These scammers are selective scamming users so please avoid p2pb2b and its sister scam exchange coinsbit

I have never used p2pb2b or coinsbit yet, but have no intentions to use it anymore after reading a lot of complaints and shady behaviors.
It is really amusing that this exchange get ahead of binance at some point.
More than likely their bots were so busy doing their own trading.
Though most exchanges resort to faking their trading volume at some point, but this one is doing it over the edge that you can clearly see their dishonesty.

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November 05, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
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I have never used p2pb2b or coinsbit yet, but have no intentions to use it anymore after reading a lot of complaints and shady behaviors.
It is really amusing that this exchange get ahead of binance at some point.
More than likely their bots were so busy doing their own trading.
Though most exchanges resort to faking their trading volume at some point, but this one is doing it over the edge that you can clearly see their dishonesty.

Yes the dishonesty by p2pb2b is on an unbelievable industrial level. Just the idea they are bigger than Binance is unthinkable. It is not just about bots, their order books show nothing is going on yet they are sending fake data to CMC.

After a hiatus, both coinsbit scam and p2pb2b scam returned here in November/December 2018 just as the IEO craze was taking off. The scammer behind them (Valerii Solodovnyk from Ukraine) wanted to charge extortionate amounts of money to genuine projects for listing their IEOs ($100,000) and he also wants to use fake projects he created himself under a fake team and then have the IEO on coinsbit and p2pb2b after heavily promoting it on his exchanges.

You did the right thing when deciding to stay well clear of these scammers and their fake exchanges.


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They got me too. I was searching for a thinly traded altcoin. Only listed on 2 exchanges. I signed up for p2pb2b. Passed verification , made my deposit and bought an altcoin. Tried to withdraw,
Transaction stuck in “waiting on admin”. Kept checking and status changed to “notifier exception”. Found this post and knew my coins are gone forever. Opened up a b.s. support ticket 2 days ago. No response. Asked chat about it. Got the same msg “wait”. Meantime coin is going up and up. Maybe a month or so I will get my original btc back or purchased altcoin but not counting on it. I’m sure if I do get anything it will be the lower of the values at the time.
I have all screen shots if anyone cares. Also I’m down to file claims or forms if anybody starts complaining to the right people. Let me know.
Til then. Thanks guys. Wish I would have seen this before I made a deposit.
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Well, the good news is that they are not the largest exchange anymore.
The not so good news is that they are still the 4th by reported volume.
The really really bad news is that some exchanges just as shady have reached 12 even billions in daily trade!!!

Coinmarketcap has become a real joke, a sad one.



At this pace, by the end of the year, we will have a trade volume exceeding twice or even three times the entire marketcap.

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November 07, 2019, 10:05:19 PM
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They got me too. I was searching for a thinly traded altcoin. Only listed on 2 exchanges. I signed up for p2pb2b. Passed verification , made my deposit and bought an altcoin. Tried to withdraw,
Transaction stuck in “waiting on admin”. Kept checking and status changed to “notifier exception”. Found this post and knew my coins are gone forever. Opened up a b.s. support ticket 2 days ago. No response. Asked chat about it. Got the same msg “wait”. Meantime coin is going up and up. Maybe a month or so I will get my original btc back or purchased altcoin but not counting on it. I’m sure if I do get anything it will be the lower of the values at the time.
I have all screen shots if anyone cares. Also I’m down to file claims or forms if anybody starts complaining to the right people. Let me know.
Til then. Thanks guys. Wish I would have seen this before I made a deposit.


I am sorry to read about you getting scammed by p2pb2b. Please remember that coinsbit is also owned by the same scammers.

All users must avoid those exchanges.

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Well, the good news is that they are not the largest exchange anymore.
The not so good news is that they are still the 4th by reported volume.
The really really bad news is that some exchanges just as shady have reached 12 even billions in daily trade!!!

Coinmarketcap has become a real joke, a sad one.

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At this pace, by the end of the year, we will have a trade volume exceeding twice or even three times the entire marketcap.


You mean, they are not the largest scam exchange.  Cheesy

Despite many proven scam accusation to this exchange, they are still listed on CMC. Just found out yesterday that CMC will add exchange on his list even if they not registered as a company.
CMC bears equal guilt like this scammers because still keep them on their list and thus help them in his fraud business. I absolutely agree with you, Coinmarketcap became joke though it's one of the most recognizable services in the crypto world.





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P2PB2B have more volume than Binance, obviously that volume is 99% fake, i just submit a request to Coinmarketcap to have B2BP2P removed because of fraud





Some thing that are found on twitter are funny

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Well I'm back, still I see there is no hard evidence to support claims which is sad, just means Jolly and his friends are just doing a half assed job. Important job that you gave yourself but lacks the effort required to give yourself to much credit.

I'm all for exposing scams and we'll seems so far if it is a scam then the noobs are not the targets the big business men are for these exchanges. Fake volume proves nothing towards scam as it's common practice in this neck of the woods. How about some proof that the "SUPER SCAMMER" actually owns these exchanges and then proof of his previous scams? Please at least do this as it's all good for you to point the finger but with a half assed effort your just not very convincing and everyone is just expected to take your word for it?

Anyway seems that it isn't just the big business they are targeting after my experience today they are also targeting chicken feed amounts.

The CWN token listed on coinsbit with its airdrop advertised has certainly raised a lot of question marks for me after today's experience. I did the requirements with the telegram bot and seems windows to withdraw are small and today I finally was around for a window. But I'm asked to send 0.0010989720eth (0.21usd)to and address to receive my 100cwn (0.17usd) listed on coinsbit not sure where else. I go into the cwn discussion channel and state the figures and get banned instantly. Lol still not hard evidence but I can not make a logical reason for anything but scam. Also must note that the CWN telegram main channel has 120k members.

So go investigate that if you would and please if your going to take on such an important role to save the innocent Jolly then do more then a half assed job......

What happened to that person on here that had the banner:

Big allegations require even bigger evidence (means the same) because they had it right. If you want to be a super hero and save innocent people from the "SUPER SCAMMERS"Then nothing less then a super effort is required.,............
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November 15, 2019, 06:21:56 AM
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lol... No seriously! This joke must stop
1700 unique visits per day and 1.5 Billion?
Don't tell me CMC cannot add a REAL value in their algorithm to make it more realistic.


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November 15, 2019, 06:26:29 AM
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The reported 3.5 mil USD of trading on the DOGE/USD market
But only have 29$ on the orderbook

How is that possible?
Can someone explain me?

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November 16, 2019, 01:12:11 PM
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The reported 3.5 mil USD of trading on the DOGE/USD market
But only have 29$ on the orderbook

How is that possible?
Can someone explain me?
Unfortunately, this can be said about almost all 300 exchanges that exist on the crypto market today. I don’t think that Coinsbit is much worse or better than others. Why is so much dirt directed at Coinsbit?
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November 16, 2019, 01:27:29 PM
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I don’t think that Coinsbit is much worse or better than others. Why is so much dirt directed at Coinsbit?

This type of deflection is called "Whataboutism".
If someone is a liar and a thief, then they are a liar and a thief. It makes no difference if they choose to operate in a field occupied by other liars and thieves.


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November 16, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
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lol... No seriously! This joke must stop
1700 unique visits per day and 1.5 Billion?
Don't tell me CMC cannot add a REAL value in their algorithm to make it more realistic.





The scammer owner of p2pb2b and coinsbit (Valerii Solodovnyk from Ukraine) is a disgrace.

He will go to any lengths to scam people. Using fake volumes is something he does with all his scam exchanges.

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November 16, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
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Finally, coinmarketcap does something good
https://blog.coinmarketcap.com/2019/11/11/coinmarketcap-launches-new-liquidity-metric/

To be honest, I don't know how accurate this thing is and, it's weekend  Grin, I don't spend too much time digging around during it.
But, looking at the results and the ranking it might be accurate:

https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/liquidity/

This is how the top 10 looks:


which in my opinion si far more credible.


P2PB2B went down to 22 and the one and a half trillion volume fake EXX to 48.



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Finally, coinmarketcap does something good
https://blog.coinmarketcap.com/2019/11/11/coinmarketcap-launches-new-liquidity-metric/

To be honest, I don't know how accurate this thing is and, it's weekend  Grin, I don't spend too much time digging around during it.
But, looking at the results and the ranking it might be accurate:

https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/liquidity/


Thanks for that, I knew they were promising something along those lines but, tbh I stopped looking at CMC out of disgust a couple of weeks ago.
First reaction (o/t, nothing to do with P2PB2B) is a total liquidity ~$342,000,000 plays a market cap of $234,229,860,214 and, even more ludicrously a claimed 24hr volume of  $57,485,495,658.
How broken is that?

Edit: Hey stompix, have another merit for motivating me to post this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202098.0  Smiley

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November 19, 2019, 12:42:06 PM
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despite all the warnings, and drawing attention about p2pb2b scam, we always have new scam accusations against them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202319.0
they will never stop, and there will always be people who are lazy to do a little research before sending his money.





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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0

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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0


Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....

PIA went evil: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203968.msg53160131#msg53160131 Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org/crex24 scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0


Thanks for warning. I am on it right now.
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I am not understanding, how they are able to get alot of IEOs on exchange even after lot of failure and scam accusations.
I am 100% sure that p2pb2b scam,

Last year there was project name wemark,
They listed their token on p2pb2b because of large volume exchange,
Can you imagine?
Not a single order had been made for wemark token, How it is possible that exchange with having millions of dollars volume did not able to get single penny volume for WMK token.

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I am not understanding, how they are able to get alot of IEOs on exchange even after lot of failure and scam accusations.
I am 100% sure that p2pb2b scam,

Last year there was project name wemark,
They listed their token on p2pb2b because of large volume exchange,
Can you imagine?
Not a single order had been made for wemark token, How it is possible that exchange with having millions of dollars volume did not able to get single penny volume for WMK token.


It looks very obvious to me why they are growing very fast.

They first started like any other shitcoin exchange with competitors like Crex24 Stex Livecoin Tradesatoshi Cryptopia Coinexchange, etc

Some of those shitcoin exchanges are shit, others closed or got hacked, P2PB2B saw the oportunity to do like yobit did years ago, started to create fake coins and fake ICO, pump and dumps that seems attractive to people,

They are making money by selling those useless tokens to people, with fake IEO.

We need to investigate this more and alert the autorities about this massive scam of the people behind P2PB2B and Coinsbit

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Still listed as #2 by 30-day adjusted volume.

Is there a reputable list of exchanges anywhere? Maybe using some of the statistics posted by the OP (website visits, social media followers, etc) if it is not possible to do it using volume data.
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Still listed as #2 by 30-day adjusted volume.

Is there a reputable list of exchanges anywhere? Maybe using some of the statistics posted by the OP (website visits, social media followers, etc) if it is not possible to do it using volume data.

Crypto in general has become a toxic environment, there are scammers everywhere and those scammers fud each others, and sites like coinmarketcap unfortunately are part of that.

This is the wild west, better to use some reputable over the counter to trade BTC for Fiat and avoid to be scammed.

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November 24, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0

I have no idea about P2PB2B exchange as this is the first time I hear about this exchange.
Anyways i just tried to see who are the accepted participants from their sheet, but it has not being made public. Although no one will participate in it but if anyone do, he wont be getting any rewards, because there is no transparency there.



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November 25, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
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I am not understanding, how they are able to get alot of IEOs on exchange even after lot of failure and scam accusations.

Poor, unfinished projects, going to be listed on p2pb2b IEO. the only goal is to get some money and leave it. Potential investors if they have any, will find out after 6-12 months that they have trash tokens on his p2pb2b account which are worthless.

I have no idea about P2PB2B exchange as this is the first time I hear about this exchange.
Anyways i just tried to see who are the accepted participants from their sheet, but it has not being made public. Although no one will participate in it but if anyone do, he wont be getting any rewards, because there is no transparency there.

how is it possible that you first heard about the exchange with $1.5 million of reported volume  Shocked It is one of the biggest crypto exchanges.





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November 25, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
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I am not understanding, how they are able to get alot of IEOs on exchange even after lot of failure and scam accusations.

Poor, unfinished projects, going to be listed on p2pb2b IEO. the only goal is to get some money and leave it. Potential investors if they have any, will find out after 6-12 months that they have trash tokens on his p2pb2b account which are worthless.

I have no idea about P2PB2B exchange as this is the first time I hear about this exchange.
Anyways i just tried to see who are the accepted participants from their sheet, but it has not being made public. Although no one will participate in it but if anyone do, he wont be getting any rewards, because there is no transparency there.

how is it possible that you first heard about the exchange with $1.5 million of reported volume  Shocked It is one of the biggest crypto exchanges.


One of the biggest crypto exchanges, from what perspective? Them or traders?  Tongue Guess, they are not getting a lot of sig participants and they even restricted the access of the spreadsheet. I thought they want to change the image, but still no transparency eh!

Really bad reputation in the market. Usually sig campaign paying in btc or eth are easily filled up but this one, seems they are being avoided. huh!  Tongue

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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0
Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....
I was asked to escrow the new campaign to ensure that there are no issues here. What's the consensus here? I can't attest to the volume, but if I start tagging for fake volume then I'd have to tag >99% of the exchanges?

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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0
Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....
I was asked to escrow the new campaign to ensure that there are no issues here. What's the consensus here? I can't attest to the volume, but if I start tagging for fake volume then I'd have to tag >99% of the exchanges?

I remember Yahoo opened a topic about managing Yobit campaign and asking suggestion from the forum users. My advice to do same thing.

there are many accusations against them. some have been solved, some just ignored. To be honest, some of the allegations were not realistic and without enough proof.
but there is definitely a problem with withdrawing some of the altcoins. (It's not about Yobit Cheesy) Fake volume might not be such an obvious problem if they not to report a larger volume than Binance. Fake office in the UK also does not help.
I understand they want to improve his trust here, but I think the signature campaign can't help if they ignore user complaints.
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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0
Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....
I was asked to escrow the new campaign to ensure that there are no issues here. What's the consensus here? I can't attest to the volume, but if I start tagging for fake volume then I'd have to tag >99% of the exchanges?
I remember Yahoo opened a topic about managing Yobit campaign and asking suggestion from the forum users. My advice to do same thing.
I'm not managing anything. They're gonna run the campaign with or without an escrow anyway. Lips sealed

I understand they want to improve his trust here, but I think the signature campaign can't help if they ignore user complaints.
Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about these accusations at the time of writing this. However, this comes back to my post regarding a flag on some exchange not long ago. Most exchanges are going to ignore these complaints, and we don't have sufficient access to verify anything which leads to this problem. They asked for help, and I almost provided it before I saw this. Whatever people decide is the right choice, I'm fine with that.

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November 27, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0
Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....
I was asked to escrow the new campaign to ensure that there are no issues here. What's the consensus here? I can't attest to the volume, but if I start tagging for fake volume then I'd have to tag >99% of the exchanges?

Escrow would at least ensure that campaign participants don't get scammed, so that's a good thing.

As for the exchange itself - I don't have a strong opinion yet. It certainly seems shady AF, similar "customer is always wrong" attitude like Livecoin or Yobit. I haven't had time to look through all the accusations to gauge how credible they are but if I was taking an escrow role I would probably want to spend some time on that in order to form an opinion.

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They're running a signature campaign now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0
Oh dear. A Yobit II type PR disaster.....
I was asked to escrow the new campaign to ensure that there are no issues here. What's the consensus here? I can't attest to the volume, but if I start tagging for fake volume then I'd have to tag >99% of the exchanges?

I remember Yahoo opened a topic about managing Yobit campaign and asking suggestion from the forum users. My advice to do same thing.

there are many accusations against them. some have been solved, some just ignored. To be honest, some of the allegations were not realistic and without enough proof.
but there is definitely a problem with withdrawing some of the altcoins. (It's not about Yobit Cheesy) Fake volume might not be such an obvious problem if they not to report a larger volume than Binance. Fake office in the UK also does not help.
I understand they want to improve his trust here, but I think the signature campaign can't help if they ignore user complaints.
Best luck whatever you decide.
We plan to create a topic in which we will analyze each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings.

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Escrow would at least ensure that campaign participants don't get scammed, so that's a good thing.

As for the exchange itself - I don't have a strong opinion yet. It certainly seems shady AF, similar "customer is always wrong" attitude like Livecoin or Yobit. I haven't had time to look through all the accusations to gauge how credible they are but if I was taking an escrow role I would probably want to spend some time on that in order to form an opinion.
Thanks for the input. The situation doesn't seem as bad as with Livecoin or Yobit, and they seem to be willing to address the accusations that they can before the campaign starts. I'll wait for that.

We plan to create a topic in which we will analyze each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings.
Thanks. This would probably enable me to help you.

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We plan to create a topic in which we will analyze each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings.

We will not launch asignature campaign without escrow. Waiting for your reply

I support the initiative to resolve objection against your exchange. it can be a good start of your positive promotion. I'm not sure why you have not already

About the signature, the final decision should be by Theymos or any forum administrator. similarly has already been here when is Yobit not allowed to participate in advertising on this forum auction.





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It's ridiculous, I've been in this market for a few years and I only heard the name of this exchange a few months ago. Here they list for low quality projects and no page competitiveness. If it is best to determine the top of the exchange, it is best to statistics the number of users and the number of active users in a day. All exchanges have the same drawback is that the virtual trading volume is too much. I only trust the Binance exchange because the trading volume here is quite good and looks more real than the other exchanges.

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I only trust the Binance exchange because the trading volume here is quite good and looks more real than the other exchanges.


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We plan to create a topic in which we will analyze each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings.

We will not launch asignature campaign without escrow. Waiting for your reply



No, there is nothing you can say that would change the opinions that users have formed on p2pb2b and its sister scam coinbit

Both are scams designed to steal from investors using selective scamming techniques as well as using inflated figures just to start charging $100,000 from new coins and token owners to list them and run IEOs.

Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk has been fooling and scamming for too long: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

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No, there is nothing you can say that would change the opinions that users have formed on p2pb2b and its sister scam coinbit
I'm about to accept escrowing their campaign pending elaborations on a few more cases. This is therefore, untrue. I hope that they can amend their issues rather than condemning them for trying to.

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We plan to create a topic in which we will analyze each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings.

We will not launch asignature campaign without escrow. Waiting for your reply
No, there is nothing you can say that would change the opinions that users have formed on p2pb2b and its sister scam coinbit
I'm about to accept escrowing their campaign pending elaborations on a few more cases. This is therefore, untrue. I hope that they can amend their issues rather than condemning them for trying to.


Sure, if you are happy to proceed that way then that something you have thought through but my issue remains with the scam aspect.

Just because they might in future run a scam-free bounty campaign does not make it a scam-free project because the bounty campaign is directly related to p2pb2b being promoted.

p2pb2b2 have been selective scamming users and have been charging project owners ridiculous amounts of money to list their IEOs because they cite the fake data on CMC as the reason/proof.

The owner of coinsbit and p2pb2b is Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk who has several other scam exchanges: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650


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have been charging project owners ridiculous amounts of money to list their IEOs because they cite the fake data on CMC as the reason/proof.
This is a non-reason. They can charge whatever they want, and you might want to look into most current top 20 exchanges if that is a reason for you. Thread context for other accusations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.0.

I don't know who that Ukrainian person is.

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have been charging project owners ridiculous amounts of money to list their IEOs because they cite the fake data on CMC as the reason/proof.
This is a non-reason. They can charge whatever they want, and you might want to look into most current top 20 exchanges if that is a reason for you. Thread context for other accusations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.0.

I don't know who that Ukrainian person is.



Yes they can charge listing fees as they deem fit whether they are a scam or not.

If listing fees are based on non-existent trade volumes then they will be (and have been) exposed therefore they are a scam.

If they use fake trade volumes to entice gullible users to sign up and then selective scam them and there have been several complaints then they are a scam - simple.

The Ukrainian person is Valerii Solodovnyk - the scammer operator behind multiple fake exchanges including p2pb2b and coinsbit: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

We will have to agree to disagree on our opinions. Wish you success with your p2pb2b bounty.