South Park Band in China + NBA pandering to China + Labron James

[coins4commies]

I'm not drawing an equivalence between what happens in the US, China, or North Korea.  Of course you can say one is not as bad as the other or one is much worse but I'm simply pointing out that they are all doing bad things.  

I'm not even interested in comparing and splitting hairs over which one is worse because I only live in one country and should focus on what my country is doing. You think Chinese prisoners didn't break laws? Even Otto Warmbier broke a law.   You clearly understand that laws can be unjust but you only look outward.  No one silenced him, they just made the business decision that someone speaking out against the government killing innocent people was not good for business.

No one's stopping NBA from commenting on China but they have to accept the consequences of what they say.  Colin Kaepernick was banished from the NFL for having an opinion against the Police killing innocent people.  

That is EXACTLY what you are doing, drawing a false equivalence between the US and China.

"Of course you can say one is not as bad as the other or one is much worse but I'm simply pointing out that they are all doing bad things." 

That's called an equivalence you fucking jamoke.

Do you think illegal aliens broke laws illegally entering the country? Oh that's different! That is a concentration camp!

You're projecting your line of thinking onto me.  You might believe in enforcing your idea about how government should work onto other countries but I don't.   I don't like China's form of government but don't want to change it because I am not Chinese and it is not my place to tell other people how they should run their country.  So although I'm not defending the actions of the Chinese, I am defending their sovereignty and right to run their own country without American intervention.  

You can say that the US doesn't have gulags and concentration camps but China also denies all of the things you say about them.   No one would admit to running concentration camps.  China calls them "Vocational education and training centers".

Everyone has their own excuse for human rights violations and every authoritarian government goes as far as necessary to protect the existence. .   Maybe you should learn a bit about your own country before focusing so much on a country on the other side of the world.    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Murder_of_Fred_Hampton
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States#Human_rights

I am not projecting anything on to you. You are constantly defending Communism saying you don't advocate for centralized state authoritarianism, but yet here you are defending centralized state authoritarian Communists who run literal gulags, death camps, and organ harvesting. Of course that is nothing compared to us holding some Mexicans for a few weeks before deporting them. Now THAT is the REAL concentration camps!

Chinese prisoners broke Chinese laws as well.  You seem to think the US is the only government that locks people up based on broken laws.  I don't remember voting for the authors of the constitution.  Neither do the native Americans or puerto ricans or Hawaiians and all the other territories with little representation or choice to be governed by it.   If Chinese want to make reforms, they can work really hard in school, join the party, work their way up and reform it from within.  See how your logic against the american poor sounds?

Equivalence implies equal which I never did. Saying a group of things are all bad is not saying they are all equally bad.  These are different degrees of the same thing.  Beer and vodka are both alcoholic beverages but that doesn't mean I think they are equivalent.  I'm also not going to tell an alcoholic to quit drinking while I'm blowing through 6packs. 

I acknowledged that China does some things that are worse than what the US is doing at this point in time but that Americans should focus on what they have control over as a priority over what is going on in other countries.  I think its much more effective to set an example of how others should be instead of trying to dictate what others should do.   

You are excusing the one you're responsible for while crying out against the one someone else is doing.  That is worse than drawing an equivalence.

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Chinese prisoners broke Chinese laws as well.  You seem to think the US is the only government that locks people up based on broken laws.  I don't remember voting for the authors of the constitution.  Neither do the native Americans or puerto ricans or Hawaiians and all the other territories with little representation or choice to be governed by it.   If Chinese want to make reforms, they can work really hard in school, join the party, work their way up and reform it from within.  See how your logic against the american poor sounds?

Equivalence implies equal which I never did. Saying a group of things are all bad is not saying they are all equally bad.  These are different degrees of the same thing.  Beer and vodka are both alcoholic beverages but that doesn't mean I think they are equivalent.  I'm also not going to tell an alcoholic to quit drinking while I'm blowing through 6packs. 

I acknowledged that China does some things that are worse than what the US is doing at this point in time but that Americans should focus on what they have control over as a priority over what is going on in other countries.  I think its much more effective to set an example of how others should be instead of trying to dictate what others should do.   

You are excusing the one you're responsible for while crying out against the one someone else is doing.  That is worse than drawing an equivalence.

"equivalence noun
Definition of equivalence

1a : the state or property of being equivalent
b : the relation holding between two statements if they are either both true or both false so that to affirm one and to deny the other would result in a contradiction"

Creating a false equivalence is EXACTLY what you are doing. You jerk yourself off talking about how you have me "in your class" but I have to teach you the English language. Like I said you aren't qualified to teach people how to use a fryer at McDonalds.

China is not leaving the US to its own business. China intends to control The USA totally or to destroy it. What is really important though is we don't say anything bad about the genocidal dictatorship right? You spend so much fucking time moralizing, yet when an undeniably anti-human situation presents itself you have all the excuses in the world for it. At this point I am forced to assume you are either totally insane, totally full of shit, or totally retarded.

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The truth hurts which is why the Chinese were in a hurry to take down anything related to the truth and what's surprising is how easy it is to take down such....damn it's citizens can really make good use of the blockchain, thanks to its decentralized nature.

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[coins4commies]

Chinese prisoners broke Chinese laws as well.  You seem to think the US is the only government that locks people up based on broken laws.  I don't remember voting for the authors of the constitution.  Neither do the native Americans or puerto ricans or Hawaiians and all the other territories with little representation or choice to be governed by it.   If Chinese want to make reforms, they can work really hard in school, join the party, work their way up and reform it from within.  See how your logic against the american poor sounds?

Equivalence implies equal which I never did. Saying a group of things are all bad is not saying they are all equally bad.  These are different degrees of the same thing.  Beer and vodka are both alcoholic beverages but that doesn't mean I think they are equivalent.  I'm also not going to tell an alcoholic to quit drinking while I'm blowing through 6packs.  

I acknowledged that China does some things that are worse than what the US is doing at this point in time but that Americans should focus on what they have control over as a priority over what is going on in other countries.  I think its much more effective to set an example of how others should be instead of trying to dictate what others should do.  

You are excusing the one you're responsible for while crying out against the one someone else is doing.  That is worse than drawing an equivalence.

"equivalence noun
Definition of equivalence

1a : the state or property of being equivalent
b : the relation holding between two statements if they are either both true or both false so that to affirm one and to deny the other would result in a contradiction"

Creating a false equivalence is EXACTLY what you are doing. You jerk yourself off talking about how you have me "in your class" but I have to teach you the English language. Like I said you aren't qualified to teach people how to use a fryer at McDonalds.

China is not leaving the US to its own business. China intends to control The USA totally or to destroy it. What is really important though is we don't say anything bad about the genocidal dictatorship right? You spend so much fucking time moralizing, yet when an undeniably anti-human situation presents itself you have all the excuses in the world for it. At this point I am forced to assume you are either totally insane, totally full of shit, or totally retarded.

I never drew an equivalence for HOW bad they are.  You missed the difference between the statements "both are bad" and "both are equally bad".  I acknowledged that right now today china is doing things that are worse than what the present day american government is doing.

  You also keep using that same bad (analogy?).  Of course I'm not qualified to teach people how to use a machine I've never seen.

I have not made excuses for any of these awful things.  You are the only one in this thread making excuses for terrible things.  Shame on you.  

You can say anything you want about China but don't try to force people into doing things that will hurt Chinese people as well as their own pocket.  Lebron can do a lot more with his money here in the US to help oppressed  people than he could by getting himself censored in China and losing tons of money.   Lebron talking shit about china would certainly reduce morale in China. If you cared about chinese people, you'd understand that.

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I never drew an equivalence for HOW bad they are.  You missed the difference between the statements "both are bad" and "both are equally bad".  I acknowledged that right now today china is doing things that are worse than what the present day american government is doing.

  You also keep using that same bad (analogy?).  Of course I'm not qualified to teach people how to use a machine I've never seen.

I have not made excuses for any of these awful things.  You are the only one in this thread making excuses for terrible things.  Shame on you.  

You can say anything you want about China but don't try to force people into doing things that will hurt Chinese people as well as their own pocket.  Lebron can do a lot more with his money here in the US to help oppressed  people than he could by getting himself censored in China and losing tons of money.   Lebron talking shit about china would certainly reduce morale in China. If you cared about chinese people, you'd understand that.

Quantification is not a requirement. You literally made an equivalence by the dictionary definition. Oh look, more "NO U!!!1" arguments... that's a new one. Again, you are ignoring the fact that China is meddling in the domestic affairs of the USA, but all you can do is cry about how its not fair we criticize them. You are brain dead. I do care about the Chinese people, and I am willing to bet I have had far more contact with Chinese than you have. I care enough about them to advocate for the end of the CCP while you just make excuses for it.

[coins4commies]

I never drew an equivalence for HOW bad they are.  You missed the difference between the statements "both are bad" and "both are equally bad".  I acknowledged that right now today china is doing things that are worse than what the present day american government is doing.

  You also keep using that same bad (analogy?).  Of course I'm not qualified to teach people how to use a machine I've never seen.

I have not made excuses for any of these awful things.  You are the only one in this thread making excuses for terrible things.  Shame on you.  

You can say anything you want about China but don't try to force people into doing things that will hurt Chinese people as well as their own pocket.  Lebron can do a lot more with his money here in the US to help oppressed  people than he could by getting himself censored in China and losing tons of money.   Lebron talking shit about china would certainly reduce morale in China. If you cared about chinese people, you'd understand that.

Quantification is not a requirement. You literally made an equivalence by the dictionary definition. Oh look, more "NO U!!!1" arguments... that's a new one. Again, you are ignoring the fact that China is meddling in the domestic affairs of the USA, but all you can do is cry about how its not fair we criticize them. You are brain dead. I do care about the Chinese people, and I am willing to bet I have had far more contact with Chinese than you have. I care enough about them to advocate for the end of the CCP while you just make excuses for it.

Quantification is not a requirement for an equivalence but it would be required to make the one I drew be a FALSE equivalence.  

What domestic affairs are you talking about?  I don't even subscribe to a "we have to meddle with them because they meddled with us pov".  I don't think we should be messing with Syria, Iran, Russia, North Korea, or any of these countries.  I'm a non-interventionist.

What would happen to the Chinese people if their government was destroyed?  The government that brought them to where they are as .a country today? What would it be replaced with?

Heres an equivalency for you...you like to talk about how with all its faults, capitalism has raised so many people out of poverty, well , with all its faults, no government has raised people out of poverty at the rate of China's in the past 40 years.


Its a dumb bet that isn't contributing to the discussion but unless you've live in China, I'd doubt it.  Most of the grad students in chemistry in America are Chinese so I spent 8 years of my life around mostly Chinese.  I also taught classes where half of the students were Chinese.  The bet is useless though because there are so many different types of Chinese people with different backgrounds and just like anywhere else, a lot of the wealthy, privileged people don't care about the poor and a lot of the poor don't have the opportunity to interact with the rest of the world.  

You aren't thinking about all the people who won't be able to see anymore nba or have nike because those companies spoke out against china.  You want china to be like north korea. 

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OP, you missed the Activision/Blizzard stuff all the gamers are up in arms about.

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What would happen to the Chinese people if their government was destroyed?  The government that brought them to where they are as .a country today? What would it be replaced with?

History showed one Chinese govt overthrown by violence, a worse one would be established.
The Chinese Commies were shouting freedom and democracy as hell back in 1940s. Many commies died fighting for freedom and democracy until their last breath literally.
And one couldn't say what those Commies claimed were all fake. The mainland Chinese govt controlled by nationalists back in 1940s was indeed corrupted and brutal. There was neither freedom nor democracy under such a dark regime. And that regime on mainland China was crashed by a civil war.
Once the revolution succeed, the winner CCP who claim the power as a prize would not share it to people. Thus the revolution failed at the same time.

History repeated in Iran in 1979 after the Shahanshah's regime was overthrown.

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What would happen to the Chinese people if their government was destroyed?  The government that brought them to where they are as .a country today? What would it be replaced with?

History showed one Chinese govt overthrown by violence, a worse one would be established.
The Chinese Commies were shouting freedom and democracy as hell back in 1940s. Many commies died fighting for freedom and democracy until their last breath literally.
And one couldn't say what those Commies claimed were all fake. The mainland Chinese govt controlled by nationalists back in 1940s was indeed corrupted and brutal. There was neither freedom nor democracy under such a dark regime. And that regime on mainland China was crashed by a civil war.
Once the revolution succeed, the winner CCP who claim the power as a prize would not share it to people. Thus the revolution failed at the same time.

History repeated in Iran in 1979 after the Shahanshah's regime was overthrown.

The first act of the new leadership brought in by these types of revolutions is always to murder the revolutionaries responsible for bringing it forth. I am looking at you Coins4Commies. You and your kind will be the first to be thrown into the mass graves if you succeed in what you advocate for.

[BonfireBob]

I don't care about the NBA, but South Park, why??? what did they do wrong?