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October 24, 2020, 09:41:20 AM
Last edit: October 24, 2020, 09:56:38 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
 #1621

I hate to see that I never got a good score in validation because of too many irrelevant filps, I hope that the team may study how to prevent the bad flips, because even you are smart enough, you can never understand most of the flips in validation time.

I hope that team will 100% focus on sharding/oracle/smart contrants. IDENA (validation) is not about making people fill good about how high their score is (how intelligent are they). It is about separeting bots from real person. Real person is someone with more than 60% in short, 75% from 10 shorts and 75% in long session. If you have more than it means that your score is correct (real person is verified, bot is separated) and validation session works correctly.

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And this includes all errors (f.e. flip didn't load), my obvious mistake because of validating while being drunk etc.

To be honest ... lately i was thinking that dumb, no sense flips is a double-edged sword. Its harder to validate because of them but ... its also impossible for AI to figure it out. And we ... humans will always try to think what would majority do with such dumb flip and in most cases it works. AI will go random in such situation. So dumb, no sense flips do their job too (separeting bot from real person)... maybe even better than obvious flips (car driving, car crash, hospital, cemetery) because they are (or they will be) easy for AI.

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October 24, 2020, 11:00:14 AM
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I hate to see that I never got a good score in validation because of too many irrelevant filps, I hope that the team may study how to prevent the bad flips, because even you are smart enough, you can never understand most of the flips in validation time.

I hope that team will 100% focus on sharding/oracle/smart contrants. IDENA (validation) is not about making people fill good about how high their score is (how intelligent are they). It is about separeting bots from real person. Real person is someone with more than 60% in short, 75% from 10 shorts and 75% in long session. If you have more than it means that your score is correct (real person is verified, bot is separated) and validation session works correctly.

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And this includes all errors (f.e. flip didn't load), my obvious mistake because of validating while being drunk etc.

To be honest ... lately i was thinking that dumb, no sense flips is a double-edged sword. Its harder to validate because of them but ... its also impossible for AI to figure it out. And we ... humans will always try to think what would majority do with such dumb flip and in most cases it works. AI will go random in such situation. So dumb, no sense flips do their job too (separeting bot from real person)... maybe even better than obvious flips (car driving, car crash, hospital, cemetery) because they are (or they will be) easy for AI.

I agree with you, but I think @john1010 is upset not about his score, but about the fact that he is under the limit of 2nd invite from the human status.
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October 24, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
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I agree with you, but I think @john1010 is upset not about his score, but about the fact that he is under the limit of 2nd invite from the human status.

This might be the case. @john1010 - easier validation will be easier for everyone. With 100% easy flips score needed for 2nd invitation will go close to 100% and 2nd invitation will go to random people that was lucky enough that had all flips loaded during every single validation they take part in (so mostly new members because with every validation you expose yourself for risk of 1 not loaded flip - score lower than 100%).

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October 24, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
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I hate to see that I never got a good score in validation because of too many irrelevant filps, I hope that the team may study how to prevent the bad flips, because even you are smart enough, you can never understand most of the flips in validation time.

I hope that team will 100% focus on sharding/oracle/smart contrants. IDENA (validation) is not about making people fill good about how high their score is (how intelligent are they). It is about separeting bots from real person. Real person is someone with more than 60% in short, 75% from 10 shorts and 75% in long session. If you have more than it means that your score is correct (real person is verified, bot is separated) and validation session works correctly.

BTW:


And this includes all errors (f.e. flip didn't load), my obvious mistake because of validating while being drunk etc.

To be honest ... lately i was thinking that dumb, no sense flips is a double-edged sword. Its harder to validate because of them but ... its also impossible for AI to figure it out. And we ... humans will always try to think what would majority do with such dumb flip and in most cases it works. AI will go random in such situation. So dumb, no sense flips do their job too (separeting bot from real person)... maybe even better than obvious flips (car driving, car crash, hospital, cemetery) because they are (or they will be) easy for AI.

I agree with you, but the fact is many people who are creating flips might doesn't know how to do it correctly or neither know the correct story word as a guideline in creating a good flip, the bad thing is, the validating system follow the images that the creator was uploaded. So we have no power to reject it because weather we like it or not we need to guess which one of the flip images are correct even though it will not tells story.

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October 25, 2020, 02:08:54 AM
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So we have no power to reject it because weather we like it or not we need to guess which one of the flip images are correct even though it will not tells story.

In this crucial case, maybe iDena must have a prevalidation session to make sure the flipping image created had correct with suitable and correlate story to the next validation. I'm okay if unsuitable but the image must have relevance to each other and easy to understand.




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October 25, 2020, 04:56:47 PM
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Even if the validation is not easy, this coin must be listed on big exchange like binance, gate.io etc to increase the trading volume, Once it is listed to such exchanges, no one prevent them to become the next ethereum, at minimum they can list it on yobit to attract more people otherwise this crypto is just another garbage


So we have no power to reject it because weather we like it or not we need to guess which one of the flip images are correct even though it will not tells story.

In this crucial case, maybe iDena must have a prevalidation session to make sure the flipping image created had correct with suitable and correlate story to the next validation. I'm okay if unsuitable but the image must have relevance to each other and easy to understand.

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October 25, 2020, 06:02:08 PM
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Even if the validation is not easy, this coin must be listed on big exchange like binance, gate.io etc to increase the trading volume, Once it is listed to such exchanges, no one prevent them to become the next ethereum, at minimum they can list it on yobit to attract more people otherwise this crypto is just another garbage

Getting listed on a major exchange like Binance, OKEx, Kraken is a very good thing for the project but such exchanges asks a lot of money. Also this is not everything for the price.
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October 25, 2020, 08:37:31 PM
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Even if the validation is not easy, this coin must be listed on big exchange like binance, gate.io etc to increase the trading volume, Once it is listed to such exchanges, no one prevent them to become the next ethereum, at minimum they can list it on yobit to attract more people otherwise this crypto is just another garbage

Getting listed on a major exchange like Binance, OKEx, Kraken is a very good thing for the project but such exchanges asks a lot of money. Also this is not everything for the price.
This is a very dilemma because the team has to provide a lot of money to get into a big exchange but it is all likely to increase their sales volume every day and this can also be a breakthrough because if they do it for listing on a large exchange it will attract a lot of traders' attention too
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October 25, 2020, 08:38:00 PM
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Then why should we buy or trade this garbage? there are other cryptos too. The DeFi is much more.

Even if the validation is not easy, this coin must be listed on big exchange like binance, gate.io etc to increase the trading volume, Once it is listed to such exchanges, no one prevent them to become the next ethereum, at minimum they can list it on yobit to attract more people otherwise this crypto is just another garbage

Getting listed on a major exchange like Binance, OKEx, Kraken is a very good thing for the project but such exchanges asks a lot of money. Also this is not everything for the price.

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October 26, 2020, 05:53:40 AM
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Even if the validation is not easy, this coin must be listed on big exchange like binance, gate.io etc to increase the trading volume, Once it is listed to such exchanges, no one prevent them to become the next ethereum, at minimum they can list it on yobit to attract more people otherwise this crypto is just another garbage

Getting listed on a major exchange like Binance, OKEx, Kraken is a very good thing for the project but such exchanges asks a lot of money. Also this is not everything for the price.
You don't have to pay them to be listed on big exchanges like Binance and others, we just need to invite people to actively buy and sell so that the trading volume is high and big exchanges are interested in adding them voluntarily without having to ask for money, just look at their sushi tokens or hordes of YFI tokens with easy to register in the big market because they waste their money by buying and selling on uniswap so that their trading volume is high and eventually added by big exchanges, that's the way to play, the key is people are not actively trading buy and sell iDNA in the market so the trading volume is very low , I have been living in the crypto world for a long time, this method is more powerful than any other way

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October 26, 2020, 07:31:14 AM
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Don't be naive, Sushi and YFI didn't got on Binance for free, this is what CZ or Binance employees says, but is not what really happens behind the scenes.
Binance is asking between $250000 and up to $15 Millions depending on the project, to get a coin listed there, even tho is not a upfront fee.
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October 26, 2020, 07:35:41 AM
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Don't be naive, Sushi and YFI didn't got on Binance for free, this is what CZ or Binance employees says, but is not what really happens behind the scenes.
Binance is asking between $250000 and up to $15 Millions depending on the project, to get a coin listed there, even tho is not a upfront fee.
I say the YFI horde, namely erc20 tokens which are made similar to the name YFI and they reproduce fast and buy and sell on uniswap thus increasing their trading volume and so easy to enter into large exchanges, many cases are seen until now and people are trapped in there

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October 26, 2020, 04:52:59 PM
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I hate to see that I never got a good score in validation because of too many irrelevant filps, I hope that the team may study how to prevent the bad flips, because even you are smart enough, you can never understand most of the flips in validation time.
As far as I understand, at the moment only the average result of the last 10 validations counts in the main % of successful flip solutions. That's why you shouldn't be afraid of losing the high % forever.

By the way, the team can't do anything with bad flips. This is decentralization, which works the way it should.

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October 26, 2020, 05:52:04 PM
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Can anybody give me an invitation code?
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October 26, 2020, 07:26:34 PM
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Don't be naive, Sushi and YFI didn't got on Binance for free, this is what CZ or Binance employees says, but is not what really happens behind the scenes.
Binance is asking between $250000 and up to $15 Millions depending on the project, to get a coin listed there, even tho is not a upfront fee.
This is the right kind of thinking! Smiley
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October 27, 2020, 05:01:58 AM
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I must say this project is actully very very ambitious, if the team can make it work it will be a total game changer for the entire industry. I expect a crazy growth of the network, base on the stats it is growing very fast, more than 4000 nodes now, incredible. Shocked
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Can anybody give me an invitation code?

You can find an invite code here https://t.me/Idenacodes, you can also join this event to get a free IDENA, good luck
https://twitter.com/IdenaNetwork/status/1320732238942818304

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October 27, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
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I must say this project is actully very very ambitious, if the team can make it work it will be a total game changer for the entire industry. I expect a crazy growth of the network, base on the stats it is growing very fast, more than 4000 nodes now, incredible. Shocked

Actually there are 4722 valid identities.

As for the "crazy growth" of the network, I doubt it, since the reward is getting smaller and smaller with the network growth, so many will leave. Maybe this will change in the future since we are on a semi-mainnet (semi-testnet) phase.
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Can anybody give me an invitation code?

I have an invitation code!  Have you obtained the invitation code?

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October 27, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
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I just found this article on coindesk "An Internet for Humans: Proof-of-personhood Explained"

https://www.coindesk.com/proof-of-personhood-2030

It mentioned that there are Idena projects and several other similar projects. Smiley

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