Algorithm to "merited by" order

[Little Mouse]

I merited a post a few minutes ago and there were 3 more users who merited the post before me. So, I was the 4th user to merit the post. We all had shared 1 merit to that post, maybe because we don't have a lot of smerits (Common in the Bengali local thread) 
Surprisingly, my name was being displayed at the first while I was the last person to merit that post. I can't remember if I have ever noticed that before, or maybe I have forgotten.


In general, higher merits to lower merit will make the order but when everyone shares the same amount of merit, what is the algorithm? I just checked all of the 4 profile and it seems activity is the only thing to count here to make the order. Is it? Have theymos ever shared this?

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[UchihaSarada]

The order is not in alphabetical or user id. Because it is not in alphabetical order, I thought of member id order and I believed you are the oldest member who merited that post. Checking show this is not true too.

NicNacCoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=960780
Little Mouse https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2344286
Dimitri94 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3417917
Learn Bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3506304

Member id makes sense but activity point is counted too.

Pretty sure it's first by merit awarded for that post (obviously), then by activity.

Right. And in case of equal activity, member ID is the tiebreaker.

Tiebreakers: Merit amount, Member activity, Member ID.

[Nwada001]

I believe this post's merited arrangement order is done based on the amount of merit given by each member, but when everyone gives the same amount of merit, earlier before now I was thinking the arrangements were alphabetical, but from the picture above I see that it's far from that... Then the only way I could think of it again is that it's based on reputation. That's why DT members will come first according to their rank, followed by others.
This is just an assumption.

Edit: UchihaSarada then the only explanation could be my assumption above. Little Mouse is a DT 2 member and every other user who have merited the post are below that.... So respect will be shown to the elder 🌝🙃

[UchihaSarada]

Then the only way I could think of it again is that it's based on reputation. That's why DT members will come first according to their rank, followed by others.
This is just an assumption.

Edit: UchihaSarada then the only explanation could be my assumption above. Little Mouse is a DT 2 member and every other user who have merited the post are below that.... 🌝🙃

Member activity point is your account activity point that is not your account reputation. It's not DT member point.

Member activity is not reputation. theymos did not write that reputation is a tiebreaker.

So respect will be shown to the elder

Your account is older but it can have less reputation than younger account.

[Nheer]

Your account is older but it can have less reputation than younger account.

Of course some younger accounts can have more reputation than some older accounts so I doubt that is the case. The arrangement has always been higher merit to lower merit order and when same number of merit is being shared i have always thought it to be in the order of time but Op story and image tells us otherwise. Maybe it could be an error, maybe Everything will rearrange back after some time just has my profile failed to change from member rank to full member rank even after activity was updated but after some time everything went to normal.

[joker_josue]

I happened to have noticed this already.

What I thought at the time is that the weight on the DT has some influence.
But maybe it's not, it's just a guess.

[rat03gopoh]

What I thought at the time is that the weight on the DT has some influence.
But maybe it's not, it's just a guess.

Yeah it's not like that, in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448111
julerz12's position is ahead of DireWolfM14 while the two have a large difference in weight DT2 values ^[1].

I just think the order is: sum, then total login time (which is the unique variable). If we pay attention to all the posts that get a lot of merit, the last order is the account that is younger or has a few posts, or lots of posts with shorter post intervals.


1. https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

[joker_josue]

I just think the order is: sum, then total login time (which is the unique variable). If we pay attention to all the posts that get a lot of merit, the last order is the account that is younger or has a few posts, or lots of posts with shorter post intervals.

Taking this observation, I think the method is seniority in the forum and not the login time.
I've been checking each of the cases that have the same number of merits given, the one that appears first is the one that has been registered for the longest time in the forum.

[Lucius]

I have to admit that I noticed it a long time ago, but I never felt the need to ask that question, although I drew some conclusions myself like the others in their comments above. What I have concluded is that the order primarily works according to the principle that those who have awarded the most merits are the first, and then if several users give the same number of merits, the order depends on the date of registration. It is a very simple criterion that makes sense.

[skarais]

What I have concluded is that the order primarily works according to the principle that those who have awarded the most merits are the first, and then if several users give the same number of merits, the order depends on the date of registration. It is a very simple criterion that makes sense.

I agree with your first point, but I get the different facts that the date of registration is not the only factor that will affect the order lists on a post even if they submit the same number of merits.

You can see the facts in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg62243331#msg62243331

Supposedly if registration date were to be factor, then @reagansimms registered on April 10, 2014 is in second place compared to @ETFbitcoin registered on July 26, 2014. I think date of registration just one of the factors that affect the algorithm apart from activity points, DT strength and few others.

[Little Mouse]

if several users give the same number of merits, the order depends on the date of registration. It is a very simple criterion that makes sense.

No of course because Nicnaccoin has given 1 merit in that post and still Nicnaccoin is visible after my username while Nicnaccoin has joined the forum in 2017. On the other hand, I have joined in 2018, one year after Nicnaccoin joined. Registration date isn't the criteria here as we can see. So far, it seems number of activity is the criteria. Highest number of activity will be visible first when same number of merit is shared.
Well, this was just my curiosity about how this works. I know it's not something important but it's good to know the criteria.

[GiftedMAN]

I happened to have noticed this already.

What I thought at the time is that the weight on the DT has some influence.
But maybe it's not, it's just a guess.

Nice guessing but I don't think the weight on the DT has any thing to do with it rather I have observed that the number of merits given out is the reason and having digged through some thread created by me I realized that when the number of merits given by each user are in equal number the last user because first regardless of the rank of the user or position. I stand to be corrected if am not on the right track, just my personal observation though.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I usually noticed that myself already... The resolution was seen as a kinda - "rate by newest reactions" format... It took me sometime anyways but I'm not still sure that's the case anyways.
Many have rised in thoughts with different suggestions about how the algorithm is calculated but I'm afraid Theymos would have to say alot about his repositionings to us. There was also a time I realized that an OP was merited but I couldn't find traces of it on the other person's merit history.... how's that possible?? I'm still thinking till this day.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[_BlackStar]

I didn't notice anything like this before until today I got you asking about how it works.
I don't know exactly how it works and is sorted, but maybe only theymos can explain it correctly even though we only analyze it based on ID, registration date, activity, DT position or total login time.

In fact I have made several attempts to find the answer, but it is still difficult to find a definite answer. It is possible that formula like this is also used to determine the order in which merit is sent after the highest number in the first place:

Code:

1000 - ((Activity Rank + Trust Rank + Earned Merit Rank) / 3).