[ANN] A New Coin! First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid)

[Yankeeruinx]

Posting my reply from this thread here too:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new


Just when I thought this was all over and we could move on.....

For comparison here is our CryptoTalk thread:

https://cryptotalk.org/topic/17069-ann-zentoshi-zenx-launching-november-7th-2019/

Now to me this seems fine but then admittedly I haven't done a deep dive into user accounts and post history of who is posting there.

Now let's say that we did hire some kind of pump group as claimed, then why wouldn't they also be working on the CryptoTalk thread too?

I don't know what's going on with BTT and why things are happening, for all I know one of the accusers has made a bunch of alt accounts and is trying to set us up to get some trust credit or a community member thought they were helping us by making posts, who knows at this point.

What I do know for absolute certainty is no pump group has been hired or paid to make posts on our ANN thread so I feel like all these accusations of being a scam are a little too far and have been extremely damaging to our project. We just launched our testnet which was supposed to be an exciting milestone for us and a chance to show everyone what we have been working on and it is all being muddied by these constant accusations.

First we were accused of having a fake team and using pics stolen off google, we provided social links for everyone on the team who offered them and added them to LinkedIn.

Then we were accused of not being a registered LLC in the US so we provided documents as proof that we were in fact registered.

Then there was the whole T&C issue which has also been resolved.

Now we are left with this mystery hired shill/pump group which conveniently is something we do not have an ability to disprove, at least I have no idea how you can disprove that kind of allegation.

Maybe these attacks/accusations about the project did start off with good intentions to protect the BTT community but at this point it is starting to feel a bit malicious in all honesty.

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[JollyGood]

the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 

To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.

[ZentoshiOfficial]

the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 

To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.

Hello JollyGood,
How are you,
The official team did not order any services for pumping the announcement. if you have confirmation, please present.
Perhaps which of the project investors has taken their own initiative, we admit it. But we cannot forbid people to do this. Although we do not approve of such actions.
We have paid for 0 shilling, and the real conversation about any potential business and project has been happening in our discord which people have been consistently joining. As we mentioned everyone is free to join and devise their own opinion, we welcome everybody 

Thank you,
The Zentoshi Team

[lancem]

Mainnet launch is tomorrow... Who is excited?

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Hello,

Our modified CPU miner is available!

https://github.com/zentoshi/cpuminer-balloon2

Cheers.
-Zentoshi Team

[JollyGood]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

[bitpotter]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

[mosprognoz]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We just wasted our time on giving them advises how to properly start and present this project. Any new project needs a lot of time and some investments in advertising to achieve results. This dudes ignored all this. They thought that everyone will jump on board with bags of money, only because it is blockchain related project. That times of scammy ICO's past and now nobody will invest a single dollar in a project that is presented in zentoshi way.

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum.

To the people who care:

We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team

[JollyGood]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum. The only one making nasty waves is you and your band of alt accounts that talk to each other miraculously across this forum in tandem. none of you are not even looking forward to our launch, our technology, or anything productive. So good day.

To the people who care:

We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team

I had to unblock you from my IGNORE listy to read the message and after reading it placed you back on IGNORE.

I already view your social media and Telegram from to time (occasionally) but do not flatter yourself, I am not too interested in your project at all but am aware of the reasons given for failure to adhere to the much publicised launch date. I was not surprised 

I am keeping an eye on it from time to time to just to be sure the line between "failed project" and "scam" is not crossed.

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We updated everyone in our Discord and Telegram where they look for our news. As you will probably notice, not a single person actually interested in our project made comment about it on this very forum. The only one making nasty waves is you and your band of alt accounts that talk to each other miraculously across this forum in tandem. none of you are not even looking forward to our launch, our technology, or anything productive. So good day.

To the people who care:

We ran into a small issue at crunch time: there is an unusual bug which occurs while a node is mining and minting at the same time, whilst deterministic masternode, quorum signing and chainlocks are all enabled.

Which was detrimental to our launch. We have since fixed this issue and have a new countdown for our launch time.

Jollygood, I am not sure why you are such a negative person, or so toxic to the "new coin" community (the opposite of what you represent in your name) but your comments do not scare us away.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

We have gone no where, just busy making fixes and communicating our delays to the community through our channels.

If anyone wants news from the source, we are all always available to chat on our discord and telegram... night or day.

Cheers.
Zentoshi Team

I had to unblock you from my IGNORE listy to read the message and after reading it placed you back on IGNORE.

I already view your social media and Telegram from to time (occasionally) but do not flatter yourself, I am not too interested in your project at all but am aware of the reasons given for failure to adhere to the much publicised launch date. I was not surprised  

I am keeping an eye on it from time to time to just to be sure the line between "failed project" and "scam" is not crossed.

Hello JollyGood,
We appreciate your diligence on this forum, please continue taking a look at our project. However with building new technology comes delays, we don't think this means we are a failed project, in fact in doing anything that advances the technology of this field or stepping into the unknown you'll find new obstacles. While we could just fork some PIVX code and be on our way, we promise to our community to keep working hard and being transparent and honest.

We look forward to proving you wrong,
See you in a bit,
Zentoshi Team

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

It looks like they will not continue this project, it looks they are less communicative with everyone, I think this will end soon.

Hello bitpotter,
Telegram has been updated about 3 hours before launch date that we hit unexpected issues found through our Testnet. We also made multiple announcements on our discord, we've been working hard at fixing these and figured anyone that is involved will see it on discord rather than on here.
We also don't have a definitive date as to when these problems will be fixed, probably looking at a week delay, but until then we will wait to update the thread until we can give a time and are in the process of redesigning the art used on the thread to update it once we can give a date. Thank you for checking in 


this has been the community feedback, which are inspiring for how understanding they are.

Well the 7th November came and went. This project failed to take off on the launch date and this thread was not even updated.

Their social media and Telegram was not much help in letting people know what was going on.

We just wasted our time on giving them advises how to properly start and present this project. Any new project needs a lot of time and some investments in advertising to achieve results. This dudes ignored all this. They thought that everyone will jump on board with bags of money, only because it is blockchain related project. That times of scammy ICO's past and now nobody will invest a single dollar in a project that is presented in zentoshi way.

Hello Mosprognoz,
How are you?

It's been a while, but we tried to inform you last time, we're not making this thread so "everyone will jump on board with bags of money." We tried to get you to become more informed, suggesting you read the whitepaper before you make these statements about our project. We will restate it for you, We are not an ICO. Most ICO's are illegal, and being classified as a Utility coin under House Bill 70 means we can't be an ICO and operate as a business. We're not here for people to jump on board and throw money at us. If you read our whitepaper or anything about this project, all of you would know that we funded this project with our own money.
And we will continue to do so until the project is live and we have something to offer.
So I repeat, for you mosprognoz, and for you JollyGood,
We're creating something here that you won't find on any other project. Are we going to hit delays while building something new? Yes. Is this the easiest way forward? No. Are we just going to give up like you suggested? No. Are we going to go away because of unsubstantiated scrutiny? No. Are we begging for money as we spend our savings into this project because we truly believe in it? No

So before you call us a scam, or make any other uninformed statements, please be patient. We will build this technology, and help all of the blockchain technology take a step forward. No its not easy, and yes there will be delays, but we're doing this out of our own funds, and at 0 risk to you, an outsider who is just shouting. We're the ones working hard, our devs who are spending sleepless nights, our team who is building every component of this project. Sure it's easy to be skeptical, and shout hate, and from what we've seen from your profile you're quite known in this community for bringing down scams. But we haven't seen you endorse a new project in a very long time, neither of you,so be patient, and we promise you'll have something to look at that you've never seen before

[Gash]

the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 

To be clear, I understand your sentiments because they have made a mistake by using paid shills and sock-puppets to post in this thread, that was a major error as it took away the conversation from any potential business and project to questions about their integrity instead.

The second major error was this insistence on feigning ignorance about it and trying to switch it around by playing the victim card instead.

Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.

[JollyGood]

Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.

I understand your sentiments.

When weak inexperienced teams who are far bigger dreamers than they are entrepreneurs and realists end up hiring a promotions manager who in turns uses paid-shills or an sock-puppets to pump their threads then it just strengthens the view that is shared by many including you.

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Our GitHub is now public! Thank you for all of our community's continued support!
https://github.com/zentoshi/zentoshi/releases/tag/db36e8c4f
Come see the real technology behind Zentoshi for yourselves 

Cheers!
Zentoshi Team

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Testnet is live! Download our Windows wallet here: https://github.com/zentoshi/zentoshi/releases/tag/db36e8c4f

[Yankeeruinx]

Most teams look fake. Most of all coins are scams. It just that some are poorly presented while the others are maxed out in terms of elaborate design and well written excerpts from tech papers other people wrote. To convince urself that new ICO wont come out anymore, close bitcointalk butt with a nice cork.  Eliminate the cause to make the consequence impossible.

I understand your sentiments.

When weak inexperienced teams who are far bigger dreamers than they are entrepreneurs and realists end up hiring a promotions manager who in turns uses paid-shills or an sock-puppets to pump their threads then it just strengthens the view that is shared by many including you.

You keep making these accusations against me when I literally had nothing to do with this threads creation and release. It was being designed and it’s release date was set well before I was brought on to the team. BTT is barely on my radar as a means for promotion these days as there are far more effective ways to reach your audience these days. When people can easily connect to teams through Telegram or Discord and chat directly to them there isn’t much point in these ANN threads. With that said of course you should still have a presence on BTT as even now it’s still expected that projects do but it is certainly not as important as it used to be.

But yeah keep talking crap and thanks for the free bumps 👍

Edit:

Have updated this thread with proof of your reckless abuse of the Trust score system on this forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.msg53033600#msg53033600

[lancem]

Any update on the main-net launch?

[ZentoshiOfficial]

Hello everyone!
Please check out our development update:
https://link.medium.com/n3uBYNDlA1

We're also in the process of recoding our database to bitcoin core v0.19 to be one of the first coins with deterministic nodes utilizing the latest implementation of deterministic nodes!

[Admkng5]

The team cannot resolve issues, you decided to use a new codebase, because you cannot resolve issues. Are you sure, that you can produce a good product? Now you use a BTC codebase, because it simpler. How you can run your own original product?
And start was delayed.

[ZentoshiOfficial]

The team cannot resolve issues, you decided to use a new codebase, because you cannot resolve issues. Are you sure, that you can produce a good product? Now you use a BTC codebase, because it simpler. How you can run your own original product?
And start was delayed.

Hello and thank you for your question.

We have always used Bitcoin as our core code base however we designed our blockchain with the ability to upgrade to any version of Bitcoin Core as they release. Kind of like dropping a new engine into the body of an old car. Bitcoin Core v0.19 is in pre-release so we decided to do the needful and do the rebase. This does not have anything to do with our issues we had during our initial testnet release. Those issues have been resolved, and we are looking forward to another release for stable testnet in the next few days. We only intend to release a stable product that is 100% functional. Anything less and we will not go to mainnet.

We have originality in the design and implementation of the technology stack and our future implementations to our chain. This is just the start. Furthermore, all cryptocurrencies are based off an implementation of Bitcoin's code. Most however are functioning on outdated versions and have no plans to change that. We can look at DASH and PIVX as examples which are both coins we can agree are good projects that added to the market with their own technologies... but currently fall short when it comes to utilizing the latest technologies, some being things like SEGWIT which we implemented along with our DASH stack.

I hope this provides you with clarity, and I look forward to conversing with you further about this if you wish.

-Zentoshi