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October 28, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
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I get being annoyed with people who are so blindly gung-ho about one cryptocurrency that they refuse to
acknowledge that any other crypto could possibly have any merit, but comparing that to racism?

That's a bit much.



Bitcoin Cash’s Roger Ver compares Bitcoin maximalists to racists and says the Australian Government is too
unreasonable to let him visit.

Bitcoin Cash main man Roger Ver has zero time for Bitcoin Maximalists.

Maximalists are, of course, the hardcore fundamentalists of crypto – true believers that the one and only true
coin is Bitcoin and that all other projects are by definition ‘shitcoins’.

“I think it’s kind of like a form of racism and tribalism. It’s like: ‘oh, my group is better than your group’,”
he told Micky.

Read more: https://micky.com.au/why-bitcoin-maximalists-are-like-racists-according-to-roger-ver/

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I don't think he's that great with his words on occasion, especially since it's been so heated in his mind at least, for the last couple of years.

I think he's right when he says people are tribal when it comes to coins, but ultimately there's no blood loyalty there. And most coins are equally shit with a handful of exceptions so it's pure opinion most of the time with random grudges developed mainly for the hell of it.

If there was a coin that solved more problems, solved its own problems, had a better track record and made more money than someone's existing allegiance then almost everyone would switch without ever looking back.

The people who aren't capable of doing that are those who've backed themselves into the wrong corner backing the wrong horse and done it very vocally and very publicly. Rather like Roger, funnily enough. At that point it's not about the virtues of the actual coin, it's about not wanting to look like a twat and that's universal.

I respect the effort he puts in, if not his methods. I'd respect him more if he admitted that things ain't looking too great for his pet sometimes.

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October 29, 2019, 02:16:49 AM
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I don't feel like he's being that stupid this time, but a lot of the language he knows and just the way and "vibe" you get off him is like someone having a tantrum and just having a rant - the comparison between racism and this definitely is taking it a bit too far and kinda shows Roger's flaw here.

There are a lot of people that are purely loyal to a coin, and could also be known as shills and they are quick to attack other people's coins. I agree with this fact, and I've personally seen it with a lot of ICO's and telegram channels.

This is obviously going to happen though, the crypto-community is a diverse one and there's a coin for everything, so this sorta thing is obviously going to happen.

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October 29, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
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I'd respect him more if he admitted that things ain't looking too great for his pet sometimes.

Why would he? I remember clearly how people here expected bcash to become worthless fast (I was one of them), but it has surprised most of us and still does so today. I'm pretty sure that it will actually go up more as Bitcoin goes up, and that's fine, because despite the hate he's receiving, he's a work horse who's only goal is to make bcash grow, and it works.

We all know what happened to the dozens of other forks, they're worth single digit prices if we exclude BSV. In other words, he can be proud of himself and I genuinely believe that he's confident enough in his shitcoin to believe that it will be the top coin in the next years.

One thing I do like about bcash and BSV is the fact that we can get to see what scaling roadmap is the most successful one.
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October 29, 2019, 08:32:07 AM
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Why would he?

Look at how precarious the mining has been recently. I couldn't persuade someone in good conscience that everything was great when the chain was over 100 times weaker than Bitcoin and has been 51% attacked/protected in the past, though it's weird how forgotten that is and that's before the centralisation and development issues.

Then again I'm no huckster so I guess he's untroubled by that.

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Look at how precarious the mining has been recently. I couldn't persuade someone in good conscience that everything was great when the chain was over 100 times weaker than Bitcoin and has been 51% attacked/protected in the past, though it's weird how forgotten that is and that's before the centralisation and development issues.

Then again I'm no huckster so I guess he's untroubled by that.

The whole bcash gang likes the hashrate of their shitcoin to be low because that allows them to rule every aspect of it with iron fist with very little effort. Before the split of BSV it was somewhat tough to get an upgrade through because they had to deal with nChain and CoinGeek, while today they can change their protocol to their heart's content.

In case of an attack, they just point some of their Bitcoin hashrate to bcash and the threat will be dealt with swiftly. It's a whole different league they operate in, nothing like what we value in Bitcoin.
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Why would he? I remember clearly how people here expected bcash to become worthless fast (I was one of them), but it has surprised most of us and still does so today. I'm pretty sure that it will actually go up more as Bitcoin goes up, and that's fine, because despite the hate he's receiving, he's a work horse who's only goal is to make bcash grow, and it works.


Hahaha, perfect ground for testing the tribalism and racism Tongue
Everyone, ready the pitchforks and listen to what this infidel has said:
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I'm pretty sure that it will actually go up more as Bitcoin goes up

He just compared our precious bitcoin evolution with bcash!!!
Lol, let's start throwing stonecoins at him, and yeah, stonecoins seem to be real and even cheaper than normal stones.

Now, on a serious note, he is a bit right about this but as gentlemand pointed out the motive for it is not ideals or beliefes or anything great, it's out of pure financial interests and the loyalty cand be erased with a dump in the market.
I think that we can count on our fingers the people that truly believe in some altcoins without counting the financial aspect. Actually...I'm not so sure bitcoin would pass this test with some satisfying numbers either..

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October 29, 2019, 12:43:45 PM
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When someone has no other argument based on logic or facts, they throw out "racism".  It is an old canard that is used by those with few intellectual arguments left.
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I get being annoyed with people who are so blindly gung-ho about one cryptocurrency that they refuse to acknowledge that any other crypto could possibly have any merit, but comparing that to racism? That's a bit much.


Roger Ver just like CSW is just playing a game, a game of words so that he can get the attention that he is craving for. There is nothing substantial with what he said except that comment that people in the cryptocurrency industry has that tendency to be tribal and not accepting the fact that other platforms can also contribute to the overall growth of this industry, at least he got a good point on that.

Now, comparing Bitcoin maximalists to racists can be a great exaggeration and uncalled for statement. This is not words of a man who is really professional but of a wounded man who has many ax to grind to people who are not siding with his opinions and convictions. This is not the kind of leader that the cryptocurrency industry needs. All the politicking, name calling and everything in between are not all necessary and can be bringing harm to our industry. People with self-vested interests are not thinking of the overall welfare of the industry but just of themselves and the things they can get out of what they are holding.
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October 29, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
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Ver just wanted for those maximalist to switch and praise up BCH instead. All people that do support BTC would be called as racist.  Grin
Well you cant please anybody though and all Forked coins of BTC will really have that kind of negative perspective specially to those who hardly & solely support Bitcoin.

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October 29, 2019, 03:27:06 PM
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Maximalists are, of course, the hardcore fundamentalists of crypto – true believers that the one and only true
coin is Bitcoin and that all other projects are by definition ‘shitcoins’.
It is not Bitcoin Maximalists, but the aim of creating new cryptos is to fix some of the Bitcoin problems by childishness solutions. This solution (new coins) deserves to be called shitcoins.
Many cryptocurrencies (99%) have taken easy solutions to bitcoin's problems, so it's no shame to be described as shits, at least technically.

hardcore fundamentalists of crypto are those who call some currencies with real changes (ETH, Monero,..etc) as shitcoins,





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October 29, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
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I get being annoyed with people who are so blindly gung-ho about one cryptocurrency that they refuse to
acknowledge that any other crypto could possibly have any merit, but comparing that to racism?

That's a bit much.



Bitcoin Cash’s Roger Ver compares Bitcoin maximalists to racists and says the Australian Government is too
unreasonable to let him visit.

Bitcoin Cash main man Roger Ver has zero time for Bitcoin Maximalists.

Maximalists are, of course, the hardcore fundamentalists of crypto – true believers that the one and only true
coin is Bitcoin and that all other projects are by definition ‘shitcoins’.

“I think it’s kind of like a form of racism and tribalism. It’s like: ‘oh, my group is better than your group’,”
he told Micky.

Read more: https://micky.com.au/why-bitcoin-maximalists-are-like-racists-according-to-roger-ver/
I'm not sure where to start, this happens to be a quite terrible analogy. I understand what he means or or is insinuating (at least the jist of it) but it definitely came out wrong. I think he's referring to how biased many people can be within the crypto community, when it comes to being an advocate of certain coins and features. I agree a lot of crypto enthusiast see the majority of alternative coins (besides Bitcoin) as shit coins.
     I think Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin as a proof of concept to demonstrate the potential capabilities of the Block-chain. I think is nothing more than a proof of concept for other system to be modeled after it's likeness and image. If it weren't then why release code that was open source?
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I get being annoyed with people who are so blindly gung-ho about one cryptocurrency that they refuse to
acknowledge that any other crypto could possibly have any merit, but comparing that to racism?

That's a bit much.

https://micky.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/flickr-roger-ver.jpg

Bitcoin Cash’s Roger Ver compares Bitcoin maximalists to racists and says the Australian Government is too
unreasonable to let him visit.

Bitcoin Cash main man Roger Ver has zero time for Bitcoin Maximalists.

Maximalists are, of course, the hardcore fundamentalists of crypto – true believers that the one and only true
coin is Bitcoin and that all other projects are by definition ‘shitcoins’.

“I think it’s kind of like a form of racism and tribalism. It’s like: ‘oh, my group is better than your group’,”
he told Micky.

Read more: https://micky.com.au/why-bitcoin-maximalists-are-like-racists-according-to-roger-ver/
I'm totally agreed with Mr.Roger Ver. I also can add the racists are also people who name some project scam if they don't like its idea or concept.
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October 29, 2019, 09:11:16 PM
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If you want to bet on a single stock doing much better above the rest of the market, that makes you a racist?

It's a completely invalid argument and comparison, and a desperate one in my opinion.

Besides, bitcoin dominance rising does not help his case. BTC is proven to be the favourite coin for institutional investors because of its relative stability and history compared to the rest, and that is a fact, not opinion.

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October 29, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
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When someone has no other argument based on logic or facts, they throw out "racism".  It is an old canard that is used by those with few intellectual arguments left.

He should have kept it at "tribalism." There's certainly an element of that. Some maximalists are over the top with their hatred of altcoins. I'm much more indifferent myself. I see no reason to care. I may think Bitcoin is superior, but I've got no motivation to argue about it.

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Well that is just a brazen comment to make about bitcoin holders as a whole. Painting a wide brush on a range of people are dangerous and does not bode well for his reputation in the cryptospace.
From my previous posts about him my view on ver with this statement still hasnt changed. And this is I think hes just triggered! Grin

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This guy is a mental retard. When you have different projects, you have different ambitions and opinions, a different vision and more precisely you have different people interested in and so it ends with different communities, each having his own mentality. Of course, none is the same.

It's like with GNU/Linux,  go to use a forum dedicated to Ubuntu and go to another dedicated to Arch. You will quickly see what I'm talking about.

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“I think it’s kind of like a form of racism and tribalism. It’s like: ‘oh, my group is better than your group’,”
he told Micky.
Oh wait, isn't it what he does when comparing Btrash to Bitcoin?

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I think they have a problem with his criminal background and his snake oil salesman behavior, when it comes to Bitcoin Cash. He also left his country of origin, because he blamed his government for all his mistakes.  Roll Eyes

Once you get labelled as a scammer, that reputation will stick to you like shit sticks to a wool blanket. Roger Ver also has some strong ties with Anarchist groups in the past and that would raise some red flags with many foreign governments.  Wink

They are just protecting their citizens from people with a bad history.  Grin

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October 30, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
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Everybody can have their own opinion and Ver can of course have his. To him maximalists are racist and to me Ver is a rich entitled asshole. When somebody writes his name I jump in memory to that idiot showing the finger in an interview and saying don't disrespect me it's bitcoin cash not bcash.

While it's true that maximalist could be annoying, he's confused between "Racist" and "Narrow Minded"

I just wonder if he would say the same thing towards BCH maximalists?

No way. If BCH was the dominant coin Ver would be in the Forbes 100 and you wouldn't hear a word about BCH maximalism being bad from him.
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October 31, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
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Yawnfest. Just a tired line of aimless discussion. I do agree there are some rabid people on all sides of the fence (all 100 sides of them) but hey, that's human nature.

You want everyone to kumbaya and play nicely? Half of Bitcoin users at least (and I do mean actual users and yeah I won't preclude myself) are some kind of social deviants. The other half are first-world middle classers with too few real-world problems to distract them from arbitrary digital power struggles.

It's like school all over again for most people. I friend you, you don't friend me, my daddy bigger than yours.

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