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November 17, 2019, 07:01:44 AM
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It is definately high but while comparing it with some popular masternode coins like dash etc it is quite affordable for some people. But still it is not for average people. Average people must not do staking as it is not profitable for them.

If the beginner does not have a good strategy it is best not to take the bet and that is absolutely right. This becomes a matter that continues to be thought of by them if losses begin to approach them.
I was thinking about using a little money first to learn the market algorithm. Large capital certainly has a big risk, if you are just starting out, you should use less funds to find knowledge and use other funds for real work in daily life.

if you earn by just staking its still profitable.
you don't know yet how much will eth be after they are going to shift to POS but i'm almost certain before this shift will happen there will be huge dumps, if you want to stake you might consider waiting for that to happen first. 32 eth isn't a huge as what Dash needs to run MN. if there will be pool, i guess you can just invest few ETH and join the pool.


What I have to say has nothing to do with just Ethereum, it applies to all staking coins.

How do you decide which coin you want to stake? I hope this is not a decision based on the amount required for participation. I think the future value of that coin should be taken into consideration when choosing the coin to be staking. Because the number of coins increased with staking can cause the price to fall. If you do staking coins that you think the price will rise in the future, it will not affect you even if the price decreases. I think that's an important detail. The market also has coins offering 20-30% staking returns. But their future is very uncertain ... And I don't think you have a chance to profit from that coin. If you think Ethereum will increase in value in the future (which I think), it is certainly a logical investment.

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November 18, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
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guys i can not find any official document for validator account's amount of ethereum. everyone says that 32 ethereum needed for validator but does it rumours or announced officaly? and the another thing everyone says vitalik offered %5 annual rate for validator revenues. please give an official link about it. i want to clearify this v2 phases.

 
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November 21, 2019, 05:26:29 PM
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if you earn by just staking its still profitable.
you don't know yet how much will eth be after they are going to shift to POS but i'm almost certain before this shift will happen there will be huge dumps, if you want to stake you might consider waiting for that to happen first. 32 eth isn't a huge as what Dash needs to run MN. if there will be pool, i guess you can just invest few ETH and join the pool.

Well, at least the 32 ETH requirement is quite affordable compared to a DASH masternode. As long as ETH remains relatively low in price, anyone could easily afford 32 ETH with their Fiat currency of choice. The real deal would be if ETH rises to new ATHs across the market. Imagine how costly it would be to obtain 32 ETH with a price of over $1,000 per ETH. By then, only wealthy people will be able to effectively secure the ETH blockchain. For the rest, staking pools seems to be the way to go to make some "extra cash" with any amount of ETH held onto the service.

Nonetheless, the minimum requirement of 32 ETH can be left as is or lowered at will if devs decide to do so. After all, it's too early to talk about this since ETH is not a full-fledged PoS coin yet. Some say that ETH will turn into a hybrid coin (PoW + PoS) while others believe that Ethereum will adopt PoS in its entirety. If it turns out to become a hybrid coin, then it'll be a blast as there will be flexibility for people looking to support the ETH blockchain in every way. The ETH dev team should look for ways to maintain the blockchain as decentralized as possible instead of focusing on profit. Just my thoughts Grin


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November 24, 2019, 03:08:07 AM
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I'm interested with that topic and actually researched about them before. I've read that there's like a pool where you can join with any amount of ETH just to complete that 32 ETH as minimum requirement for staking.
I wholly forgot that discussion but it's somewhat like that, since we are not yet onto that point but I think some devs will do something like that to offer for smaller holders that wants to stake their ETHs.
I have not checked anything about the info but I have one question, do we get rewarded as participants of the 32 eth stake? for example we are part of the 32 eth with a value of 0.1 eth, then whether we will get twice the reward or a percentage of what we bet before? or the reward will be calculated based on the big or small amount of our stake?

 
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November 24, 2019, 03:51:24 AM
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I'm interested with that topic and actually researched about them before. I've read that there's like a pool where you can join with any amount of ETH just to complete that 32 ETH as minimum requirement for staking.
I wholly forgot that discussion but it's somewhat like that, since we are not yet onto that point but I think some devs will do something like that to offer for smaller holders that wants to stake their ETHs.
I have not checked anything about the info but I have one question, do we get rewarded as participants of the 32 eth stake? for example we are part of the 32 eth with a value of 0.1 eth, then whether we will get twice the reward or a percentage of what we bet before? or the reward will be calculated based on the big or small amount of our stake?

Of course you will get rewarded if you join in the staking. But you need to have 32 ETH first and then you will have to store them in the specified wallet. The reward is fixed per 32 ETH I think. So if you double your 32 ETH stake then you will also get double reward. The 32 ETH is just the minimum. You have the choice to make it higher if you want. Your reward will also go higher. But we need to wait for the specific instructions of Ethereum itself regarding this.

 
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November 26, 2019, 04:17:06 PM
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Of course you will get rewarded if you join in the staking. But you need to have 32 ETH first and then you will have to store them in the specified wallet. The reward is fixed per 32 ETH I think. So if you double your 32 ETH stake then you will also get double reward. The 32 ETH is just the minimum. You have the choice to make it higher if you want. Your reward will also go higher. But we need to wait for the specific instructions of Ethereum itself regarding this.

Believe me, once you get the minimum ETH required for staking, you'll be able to earn a constant reward over the long term. This will be just like a savings account at a bank, but better as you'll earn much more money over time if prices start to rise all the way to the moon. Getting 32 ETH for staking is much more affordable than saving money for a DASH masternode. Ethereum could remain a decentralized cryptocurrency for the world, because of its high accessibility.

While PoS may lead to a certain level of centralization for the ETH blockchain, it's the best way to go in order to increase scalability and reduce energy consumption by a long shot. People who can't afford 32 ETH would simply choose a staking pool to reap the rewards. While the earnings won't be the same, at least it's something that will accumulate over time which serves to be a nice source of passive income.

Nonetheless, we'll just have to wait for the ETH dev team to give out specific instructions on how to stake the cryptocurrency on our wallets. The 32 ETH requirement could be temporary as the underlying blockchain hasn't done the switch to PoS yet. As we get closer to this phase, developers could decide to either lower or increase the ETH requirement to become a validator. It's best to set a dynamic amount of coins required for staking instead of a fixed value, since ETH prices are volatile. Otherwise, the cost of obtaining 32 ETH for staking may increase according to the coin's price across the market. In the end, people will decide whenever they'll keep supporting ETH with its PoS implementation or simply switch to another coin that's much easier to mine or stake. With an ever-growing crypto market, there's a choice for everyone. Just my opinion Smiley


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November 26, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
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by lowering the minimum ETH many participants will be, but maybe with the decrease the results obtained cannot be maximized, and inevitably decrease. so with a big bet it only applies to a few participants who have large capital, but also large income

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there will be 2 chain, eth1 (POW chain) will continues, and eth2 (POS chain) will created as beacon chain.
and there will be a smart contract on pow chain to send eth coins to pos chain. this chain is one direction and contract only has deposit method. so you can never take your coins back from pos chain to pow chain.

on pos chain 32 ether needed for validator account

https://blog.ethereum.org/2019/11/21/eth2-quick-update-no-4/

 
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November 26, 2019, 05:15:03 PM
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if you earn by just staking its still profitable.
you don't know yet how much will eth be after they are going to shift to POS but i'm almost certain before this shift will happen there will be huge dumps, if you want to stake you might consider waiting for that to happen first. 32 eth isn't a huge as what Dash needs to run MN. if there will be pool, i guess you can just invest few ETH and join the pool.

Well, at least the 32 ETH requirement is quite affordable compared to a DASH masternode. As long as ETH remains relatively low in price, anyone could easily afford 32 ETH with their Fiat currency of choice. The real deal would be if ETH rises to new ATHs across the market. Imagine how costly it would be to obtain 32 ETH with a price of over $1,000 per ETH. By then, only wealthy people will be able to effectively secure the ETH blockchain. For the rest, staking pools seems to be the way to go to make some "extra cash" with any amount of ETH held onto the service.

Nonetheless, the minimum requirement of 32 ETH can be left as is or lowered at will if devs decide to do so. After all, it's too early to talk about this since ETH is not a full-fledged PoS coin yet. Some say that ETH will turn into a hybrid coin (PoW + PoS) while others believe that Ethereum will adopt PoS in its entirety. If it turns out to become a hybrid coin, then it'll be a blast as there will be flexibility for people looking to support the ETH blockchain in every way. The ETH dev team should look for ways to maintain the blockchain as decentralized as possible instead of focusing on profit. Just my thoughts Grin

i've read the update so its a hybrid just like you said. will it help the network to enable more TPS?

what i'm saying though is that to secure the profit, you may want to wait first because every time a coin shifts to another algo, the price usually sinks. if you buy ETH today the price could be higher than what might it be after the POW. it could be less $100, so save some USD til you see what will happen. prices will always dip, some whales are going to drag its price down.


 
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I came up with an article across the web, explaining Ethereum's staking requirements in the future which is going to be a minimum of 32 ETH. Multiplying this with current prices, I get an average of $5,780 (USD) (at $180 per coin). This doesn't seem cost-effective for the average person, as it's somewhat expensive to start earning rewards from the ETH blockchain. If ETH devs leave that requirement for staking upon the launch of Ethereum 2.0, I'm afraid that the blockchain will be less secure than what it is right now (as less people will be able to keep the network strong).

The best solution would be to lower the minimum ETH required for staking in order to encourage the average person to support the blockchain as much as possible. With lower costs, nearly anyone will be able to join the ETH blockchain, making it much more resilient against third-party attacks. What do you think about this? Huh

For sure! If staking will be lower - more peoples will enter this scheme. Furthemore - it will be a good effect for a price. A ot of people decide to buy ETH for receving their percents for a staking.

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there will be 2 chain, eth1 (POW chain) will continues, and eth2 (POS chain) will created as beacon chain.
and there will be a smart contract on pow chain to send eth coins to pos chain. this chain is one direction and contract only has deposit method. so you can never take your coins back from pos chain to pow chain.

on pos chain 32 ether needed for validator account

https://blog.ethereum.org/2019/11/21/eth2-quick-update-no-4/

Read that update but didn't find any requirement on 32 ETH to launch validator contract. Could you be a more specific on that by providing the link to official source?

 
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there will be 2 chain, eth1 (POW chain) will continues, and eth2 (POS chain) will created as beacon chain.
and there will be a smart contract on pow chain to send eth coins to pos chain. this chain is one direction and contract only has deposit method. so you can never take your coins back from pos chain to pow chain.

on pos chain 32 ether needed for validator account

https://blog.ethereum.org/2019/11/21/eth2-quick-update-no-4/

Read that update but didn't find any requirement on 32 ETH to launch validator contract. Could you be a more specific on that by providing the link to official source?

actually, i am searching this 32eth for validator account argument. its rumour too Smiley its not announced official but on this message vitalik confirmed this rumours Smiley
https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/1002914813578637312

 
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November 28, 2019, 03:25:13 AM
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Shrimp holders can do a group staking same idea on a group buy. They just need a trusted person to hold and stake there funds on the ETH contract. They might decided to set the amount high so that it will not flood ETH network for too much mini transaction.

I still believe that shrimp holders will be more beneficial to this staking option. I doubt if individuals would risk 32 eth into a single staking program. Even the whales would find it difficult to invest such a sum considering the inherent nature of the industry. I would advise that they should reconsider the minimum amount of investment to attract more investors or better still, create a strategy that will help more ethereum holders to come into the fold.

On a second thought, I have a strong conviction that this staking program could contribute to an increase in the value of ethereum. I would personally love to see ethereum grow in value and compete rightly with Bitcoin.
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if by lowering your min ethereum below 10 eth I think many participants will respond. maybe the increase in the number of ethereum will only target the owners of ethereum with a large amount, so this has not been maximally targeted to all circles

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November 28, 2019, 04:59:45 AM
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if by lowering your min ethereum below 10 eth I think many participants will respond. maybe the increase in the number of ethereum will only target the owners of ethereum with a large amount, so this has not been maximally targeted to all circles

I think that even lower. Maybe relative to 5 ETH or 500 USD will be an initial good investment for most people without doing  a large compromise. Specially with persons that have never bought crypto before.

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November 28, 2019, 08:02:37 AM
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there will be 2 chain, eth1 (POW chain) will continues, and eth2 (POS chain) will created as beacon chain.
and there will be a smart contract on pow chain to send eth coins to pos chain. this chain is one direction and contract only has deposit method. so you can never take your coins back from pos chain to pow chain.

on pos chain 32 ether needed for validator account

https://blog.ethereum.org/2019/11/21/eth2-quick-update-no-4/

Read that update but didn't find any requirement on 32 ETH to launch validator contract. Could you be a more specific on that by providing the link to official source?

actually, i am searching this 32eth for validator account argument. its rumour too Smiley its not announced official but on this message vitalik confirmed this rumours Smiley
https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/1002914813578637312

If you are actively watching reddit and you can easily find an interesting discussion about why vitalik was taking 32 ethereum as the minimum requirements to be the validator.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/9zyv29/when_will_we_know_32_eth_for_pos_is_the_final/
It's clear if vitalik has been answering so many questions about that and it's not just only a rumour without argumentation.

 
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December 02, 2019, 07:51:09 PM
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i've read the update so its a hybrid just like you said. will it help the network to enable more TPS?

what i'm saying though is that to secure the profit, you may want to wait first because every time a coin shifts to another algo, the price usually sinks. if you buy ETH today the price could be higher than what might it be after the POW. it could be less $100, so save some USD til you see what will happen. prices will always dip, some whales are going to drag its price down.

That's certainly true, mate. Ethereum's price could experience a short term increase in price as a result of its PoS upgrade. However, it could quickly decline in price as hype comes to an end. This is the same as Zcash where it reached an ATH of over $5k per coin, just to be valued at nearly $40 per coin today. The steep decline in price, has left many early investors financially bankrupt. The smart people would buy ETH a couple of months after the PoS upgrade is released. Only then, they'll be able to obtain the minimum 32 ETH for staking at the lowest prices possible.

Considering that PoS hasn't even launched yet, it may be too early to tell if the 32 ETH requirement will be fixed or changed over time. If I were part of the dev team, I would encourage the decentralization of the network as much as possible. Setting a dynamic requirement instead of a fixed amount, could prove to be ideal in a highly-volatile crypto market. Imagine if 1 ETH would've cost $500. It would take the average person $16,000 to secure the ETH blockchain for the foreseeable future. While there's still the choice of staking pools, the number of participants in ETH's consensus will be very low increasing the chance of centralization.

Nonetheless, if ETH remains a hybrid cryptocurrency forever, then there would be no need to worry about the required number of coins for staking. People who can't afford 32 ETH, could simply resort to mining the cryptocurrency with GPUs. This will maintain the decentralization of the underlying blockchain for many years to come. But if ETH goes full PoS, the decentralized model of the blockchain will be put at risk threating the security of the world's second largest cryptocurrency by market cap. Just my opinion Smiley


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December 02, 2019, 09:21:24 PM
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I don't think the 32Ethers is much if you want to stake, they need to make it worthwhile for the stakers, if you stake over $5000 in asset the ROI on investment need to be significant to encourage more people to stake. I believe there would be services that would offer staking for those that do not have 32Ethers to stake. Just like that of Dash shared Masternodes

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December 03, 2019, 01:38:46 AM
 #99

I don't think the 32Ethers is much if you want to stake, they need to make it worthwhile for the stakers, if you stake over $5000 in asset the ROI on investment need to be significant to encourage more people to stake. I believe there would be services that would offer staking for those that do not have 32Ethers to stake. Just like that of Dash shared Masternodes

That's why I don't think the argument that 32 ETH is too high makes much sense. Just go with a service or pool or something similar for those who have less. We aren't talking about insane amounts of money regardless ... this isn't like 1M, what a Dash node used to cost.

 
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December 03, 2019, 03:48:04 AM
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I don't think the 32Ethers is much if you want to stake, they need to make it worthwhile for the stakers, if you stake over $5000 in asset the ROI on investment need to be significant to encourage more people to stake. I believe there would be services that would offer staking for those that do not have 32Ethers to stake. Just like that of Dash shared Masternodes

That's why I don't think the argument that 32 ETH is too high makes much sense. Just go with a service or pool or something similar for those who have less. We aren't talking about insane amounts of money regardless ... this isn't like 1M, what a Dash node used to cost.
Maybe it all because a lot of people already expect that they will stake their coin with any amount of ETH. And then with this amount, and people don't know maybe there are service or pool for they who have less (honestly i just know it too because read your post), will complain about it. At first, i think 32 ETH is a big amount too because maybe there are a lot of people who can't afford that amount of ETH.

 
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