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November 05, 2019, 11:10:52 PM
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an accuser does not have to be the one harmed or tresspassed upon
an accuser can be the witness

seriously
this is going in circles
ok going back as it seems to have not sunk in yet

if someone is dead.. murdered by you. you cannot just say that you are free because your accuser cannot speak(due to being dad) instead someone else with good knowledge and evidence can accuse you on the dead persons behalf

i utterly cannot believe you actually think your scripts you read from an outdated and hole filled social group actually has merit
seriously. go kill someone and ask your accuser to stand mumbo jumbo.
see where it lands you

You can't get a witness on the stand without the plaintiff accuser (listed on the indictment) showing up in court, and taking the stand first, if the accused stands as a man, unrepresented, and requires the accuser take the stand. The plaintiff is the joker on the indictment. If it is the State, the State can't get on the stand. But even if there is a representative of the State getting on the stand, show the harm or damage to the State. The State felt the pain how? The State had State property damaged how?

Again, the 4 legs of the case table. There have to be:
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2. Accuser;
3. Witness (in addition to the accuser);
4. Conclusive evidence.

In a common law court of record, it is a man-to-man operation.

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November 05, 2019, 11:16:51 PM
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Anybody can mess things up. Read the differences between freeman stuff, and a man making a legal claim, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197289.msg52994494#msg52994494.

anyon can make a claim.. freeman non-freeman  illegal alien, citizen

but your rhetoric(freeman scripts) is this part
'face my accuser'
'i dont recognise your agent as my accuser'
'stand unrepresented'
'travel a public highway in a vehicle unlicenced'
'hand the cop an invoice'

which is the freeman stuff

and dang..
you still repeating the freeman stuff now
you are so jesus preaching lentz word for word '4 legs of a table'
dude seriously your like 5 years too late to the party. people have moved on from believing that BS its all ben debunked

oh and again for the 5th time
if you want to refer to common law.. you keep forgetting harm, damage, loss AND TRESSPASS
wake up

as for the 4 leg table thing
you dont need a witness if there is things like DNA or security footage
again the accuser can be the witness
the accuser can be an advocate for the one thats harmed or tresspassed on

you really need to try finding some first hand experience of things and stop your lentz religion

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November 05, 2019, 11:23:41 PM
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If anyone is wondering what happens when people try what BADecker is suggesting, search "Sovereign Citizen Fails in Court" on youtube.  There are tons of hilarious examples.


Here's a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYBlyVO7kY

Anybody can mess things up. Read the differences between freeman stuff, and a man making a legal claim, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197289.msg52994494#msg52994494.

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It's actual court room footage.

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November 05, 2019, 11:26:05 PM
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Anybody can mess things up. Read the differences between freeman stuff, and a man making a legal claim, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197289.msg52994494#msg52994494.

anyon can make a claim.. freeman-non freeman  illegal alien, citizen

but your rhetoric is this part
'face my accuser'
'i dont recognise your agent as my accuser'
'stand unrepresented'
'travel a public highway in a vehicle unlicenced'
'hand the cop an invoice'
which is the freeman stuff

and dang..
you still repeating the freeman stuff now
you are so jesus preaching lentz word for word '4 legs of a table'
dude seriously your like 5 years too late to the party. people have moved on from believing that BS its all ben debunked


All this stuff is said in regular court cases under regular circumstances. It is also said by some of the freemen.

The difference is how and when it is said, and the circumstances.

Standing present, unrepresented won't cut it alone. A common law court of record must be required as well. And to start into such a court, there needs to be a claim by the accused who was probably a defendant until he made the claim. Courts recognize this stuff all the time. It's all standard law.

If you go and write a list of freeman stuff, for all we know, the freeman said all this when he was already found guilty, and it was his closing statement before sentencing. There needs to be a chronological order listed before anybody can know what you are actually talking about.

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November 05, 2019, 11:27:04 PM
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If anyone is wondering what happens when people try what BADecker is suggesting, search "Sovereign Citizen Fails in Court" on youtube.  There are tons of hilarious examples.


Here's a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYBlyVO7kY

Anybody can mess things up. Read the differences between freeman stuff, and a man making a legal claim, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197289.msg52994494#msg52994494.

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It's actual court room footage.

As I said, anybody can mess things up, courtroom footage or not.

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November 05, 2019, 11:37:50 PM
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i would love to see BD say
"i am Standing present, unrepresented"
and a judge interupts and says...
so your a christmas gift standing up, that isnt a regift from someone else.. ok sherrif, please take custody of this man, i recommend a 72hour psych evaluation hold

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November 05, 2019, 11:44:14 PM
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Anybody can mess things up. Read the differences between freeman stuff, and a man making a legal claim, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197289.msg52994494#msg52994494.

anyon can make a claim.. freeman-non freeman  illegal alien, citizen

but your rhetoric is this part
'face my accuser'
'i dont recognise your agent as my accuser'
'stand unrepresented'
'travel a public highway in a vehicle unlicenced'
'hand the cop an invoice'
which is the freeman stuff

and dang..
you still repeating the freeman stuff now
you are so jesus preaching lentz word for word '4 legs of a table'
dude seriously your like 5 years too late to the party. people have moved on from believing that BS its all ben debunked


All this stuff is said in regular court cases under regular circumstances. It is also said by some of the freemen.

The difference is how and when it is said, and the circumstances.

Standing present, unrepresented won't cut it alone. A common law court of record must be required as well. And to start into such a court, there needs to be a claim by the accused who was probably a defendant until he made the claim. Courts recognize this stuff all the time. It's all standard law.

If you go and write a list of freeman stuff, for all we know, the freeman said all this when he was already found guilty, and it was his closing statement before sentencing. There needs to be a chronological order listed before anybody can know what you are actually talking about.

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Where did you learn how to be represent yourself in court better than any lawyer ever could?  It wasn't one of those conspiracy websites that sells all the herbal supplements that you're always posting...was it?

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November 05, 2019, 11:46:42 PM
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The difference is how and when it is said, and the circumstances.

which you have no personal experience of

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November 05, 2019, 11:47:35 PM
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i would love to see BD say
"i am Standing present, unrepresented"
and a judge interupts and says...
so your a christmas gift standing up, that isnt a regift from someone else.. ok sherrif, please take custody of this man, i recommend a 72hour psych evaluation hold

 I can tell you exactly what would happen if he says that....

The judge will then ask if he is waiving his right to counsel. If he confirms that he is, he will sign a document stating such.

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I see you citing US code 241.  What are you gonna do with that? - At the moment, I don't have any intent to use that code. I don't know if I ever will in the future.   Are you filing a criminal complaint in federal court? - I am currently not filing a criminal complaint. Generally, I would be filling a claim if I were filing something in the way you are speaking. Why are you asking if I am filing a complaint? Such is dis-honorable, sticking your nose into the business of other people.  Using the same law book you think you can circumvent? - If I used a code, I would be stating the essence of the part of the code I was referring to, and then CF the code itself. Since I am not a licensed BAR member, using a code directly is something I can't do without the approval of a licensed BAR member. To receive such approval would place me under their jurisdiction, which is something I won't know that I want to do until I have the actual case, and my actual suit, in mind. This is why I only state the essence of the code, and CF the code, itself. Besides, if I open my case in Federal District Court, the magistrate/judge is only a referee. The jury is the real judge.
What AUSA is going to approve your complaint ? - I don't off hand know what an AUSA is or what it might be referring to. But it is irrelevant, since I am not doing a complaint, and would most likely do a claim, not a complaint, if I were doing something like this.

Furthermore, that' code isn't even being used in the right context. - I didn't use that code. If you are going to suggest that a code isn't being used correctly, you need to show who isn't using it correctly, and how they aren't using it correctly, or what you say is meaningless. Here's its intention and proper place for use https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3239&context=dlj

You can't just pick a code/section that you think applies to a circumstance and say "see, there it is...that's law." - That's common understanding I would think. After all, somebody who doesn't know what he is doing wouldn't be using just any code without counsel.  
There's so much more to it. Other conflicting sections, criminal definitions, case law, rules of criminal procedure.

I can show you a state and federal law making it an offense to burn a flag. But, it cannot be charged or enforced.  just because it's printed in black and white in a law book doesn't mean there aren't other factors at play.

This sounds great. And thank you for your advice. I expect that there are all kinds or people out there who could offer legal advice like you are doing. So, what's your point?

Besides, USC 241 in your reference, above, is exactly what I would CF it for.


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You did nothing but talk yourself in a circle.   You referenced a code as your basis for suit/warning ... and dont know wtf to do with it now

You admit that you are not a BAR member. You reference a Federal statute, but have no idea what an AUSA is. And you have exactly ZERO courtroom/legal experience.   Yeah, everyone should believe you know the legal system.  Huh

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I see you citing US code 241.  What are you gonna do with that? - At the moment, I don't have any intent to use that code. I don't know if I ever will in the future.   Are you filing a criminal complaint in federal court? - I am currently not filing a criminal complaint. Generally, I would be filling a claim if I were filing something in the way you are speaking. Why are you asking if I am filing a complaint? Such is dis-honorable, sticking your nose into the business of other people.  Using the same law book you think you can circumvent? - If I used a code, I would be stating the essence of the part of the code I was referring to, and then CF the code itself. Since I am not a licensed BAR member, using a code directly is something I can't do without the approval of a licensed BAR member. To receive such approval would place me under their jurisdiction, which is something I won't know that I want to do until I have the actual case, and my actual suit, in mind. This is why I only state the essence of the code, and CF the code, itself. Besides, if I open my case in Federal District Court, the magistrate/judge is only a referee. The jury is the real judge.
What AUSA is going to approve your complaint ? - I don't off hand know what an AUSA is or what it might be referring to. But it is irrelevant, since I am not doing a complaint, and would most likely do a claim, not a complaint, if I were doing something like this.

Furthermore, that' code isn't even being used in the right context. - I didn't use that code. If you are going to suggest that a code isn't being used correctly, you need to show who isn't using it correctly, and how they aren't using it correctly, or what you say is meaningless. Here's its intention and proper place for use https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3239&context=dlj

You can't just pick a code/section that you think applies to a circumstance and say "see, there it is...that's law." - That's common understanding I would think. After all, somebody who doesn't know what he is doing wouldn't be using just any code without counsel.  
There's so much more to it. Other conflicting sections, criminal definitions, case law, rules of criminal procedure.

I can show you a state and federal law making it an offense to burn a flag. But, it cannot be charged or enforced.  just because it's printed in black and white in a law book doesn't mean there aren't other factors at play.

This sounds great. And thank you for your advice. I expect that there are all kinds or people out there who could offer legal advice like you are doing. So, what's your point?

Besides, USC 241 in your reference, above, is exactly what I would CF it for.


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You did nothing but talk yourself in a circle.   You referenced a code as your basis for suit/warning ... and dont know wtf to do with it now

You admit that you are not a BAR member. You reference a Federal statute, but have no idea what an AUSA is. And you have exactly ZERO courtroom/legal experience.   Yeah, everyone should believe you know the legal system.  Huh

Wrong! I didn't reference the code for my hypothetical case. Rather, I CFed (compared) the code to language I used in my case. There is an absolute difference. Why would I do this - CF? Because the code is inside the legal system. My writing that is similar to the Code is outside the legal system, inside the common law that existed before the Constitution. Judges understand this. I don't want to use their Code, because I didn't write it, and because I don't really know what it means.

I don't really care what people believe. Nobody believes the same, anyway. What does what I believe have to do with what you believe? All I am talking is simple common law... which existed long before the Constitution. The Constitution may have been codified, but it is also common law. Article 9 of the Bill of Rights shows that common law from before the Constitution may be used by the people.

All laws flow out of Constitution allowance. Codes are written by Thompsons of Canada, and may not correctly reflect what the lawmakers intended by the laws they passed. Why use Codes? They essentially don't apply to anyone not within the Code system. But CFing the Codes might help Judges understand what you are talking about by what you write.

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November 06, 2019, 12:22:50 AM
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lets just play this one out.. again
lets ignore BD's mumbo jumbo freman scripts from his jesus lentz

so common law
harm loss as bd says
 and tresspass as he keeps avoiding

even under common law you are tresspassing on government property if you do not have permission(permit/licence) to be there

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November 06, 2019, 12:26:26 AM
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I really dont even know what to say anymore.  Reading his response gave me a headache. He's talking in circles again, and  answering questions that were not asked, and referring to statements that were not made.

About the only successful defense MrDecker will ever present is that of insanity

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lets just play this one out.. again
lets ignore BD's mumbo jumbo freman scripts from his jesus lentz

so common law
harm loss as bd says
 and tresspass as he keeps avoiding

even under common law you are tresspassing on government property if you do not have permission(permit/licence) to be there

Nobody ever trespasses on government property. All that happens is that someone says they are trespassing.

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November 06, 2019, 12:31:12 AM
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lets just play this one out.. again
lets ignore BD's mumbo jumbo freman scripts from his jesus lentz

so common law
harm loss as bd says
 and tresspass as he keeps avoiding

even under common law you are tresspassing on government property if you do not have permission(permit/licence) to be there

Nobody ever trespasses on government property. All that happens is that someone says they are trespassing.

Cool

Nobody ever compares a code they used in language for their hypothetical case.  They just reference it.

 Shocked


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November 06, 2019, 12:45:08 AM
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Nobody ever trespasses on government property. All that happens is that someone says they are trespassing.
uk government:
military bases?
parliament?(not the tourist section)
10 downing street?(not the tourist area)

so security guards and passes are not needed?
ok BD go try walking into the white house, i dare you


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November 06, 2019, 12:45:41 AM
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I really dont even know what to say anymore.  Reading his response gave me a headache. He's talking in circles again, and  answering questions that were not asked, and referring to statements that were not made.

About the only successful defense MrDecker will ever present is that of insanity

My explanations show why I say what I do.

For example. And forget the precipe meeting for a moment to make things simpler.

The accused is in court under a complaint, probably as a defendant. The plaintiff reads the complaint. The judge asks for a plea from the defendant. The defendant requires writing tools (paper and pen), and 10 minutes, to give the court a proper answer. In the answer, he writes out his claim... that no man will come forward and claim he did anything wrong (plus a few other simple things, like stating that he requires a common law court of record).

The judge doesn't want to accept this, so he tries to get the accused to plead guilty or not guilty. The accused says that he already gave the judge his answer.

If the judge is obstinate, and tries to put in a plea for the accused, it's a good idea that the accused have friends in court, who have power of attorney to place paperwork into the case for the accused.

If the judge, and the clerk of the courts are obstinate, and won't even let the accused put paperwork into the court, they start their own case against the judge. And if this goes up to the head magistrate, who often is the governor of the State, or to Federal or U.S. District Court, the judge at the trial is removed from the case and suspended until an investigation takes place.


The point is, there is no simple answer. The forum could be filled with pages of possibilities. So, to suggest that BADecker is somewhat insane, is totally incorrect. You know yourself, if you have really been in court, and are really as knowledgeable about court as you have been claiming, that there are loads of court cases that show this... a small percent perhaps... but many.

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November 06, 2019, 12:47:12 AM
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lets just play this one out.. again
lets ignore BD's mumbo jumbo freman scripts from his jesus lentz

so common law
harm loss as bd says
 and tresspass as he keeps avoiding

even under common law you are tresspassing on government property if you do not have permission(permit/licence) to be there

Nobody ever trespasses on government property. All that happens is that someone says they are trespassing.

Cool

Nobody ever compares a code they used in language for their hypothetical case.  They just reference it.

 Shocked


(BAD is over in the flat earth thread getting destroyed by a flat-earther if anyone needs more entertainment)

People don't have to compare their writing to a Code, but they can, and some have.

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Masks are stupid. Watch the first 5 minutes >>> https://www.bitchute.com/video/rlWESmrijl8Q/.
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November 06, 2019, 12:53:01 AM
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Nobody ever trespasses on government property. All that happens is that someone says they are trespassing.
uk government:
military bases?
parliament?(not the tourist section)
buckingham palace?(not the tourist area)
10 downing street?(not the tourist area)

so security guards and passes are not needed?
ok BD go try walking into the white house, i dare you


I have basically been speaking about the USA. The method is similar in the UK. It's Queen's Bench, and the Codes in the UK are more straight forward to what I am saying.

Government buildings as you are talking, might get people shot if they trespass. But if they make it to court, using common law, they can be freed. The only thing that they will lose at is if the legal resident, or his legal guards or other people, file a direct claim against the man for trespassing on their private residence... or something similar.

Certainly a man would have to know what he was doing. So, don't try it. Stay in your room across the hall from notbatman.

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November 06, 2019, 12:56:23 AM
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I really dont even know what to say anymore.  Reading his response gave me a headache. He's talking in circles again, and  answering questions that were not asked, and referring to statements that were not made.

About the only successful defense MrDecker will ever present is that of insanity

My explanations show why I say what I do.

For example. And forget the precipe meeting for a moment to make things simpler.

The accused is in court under a complaint, probably as a defendant. The plaintiff reads the complaint. The judge asks for a plea from the defendant. The defendant requires writing tools (paper and pen), and 10 minutes, to give the court a proper answer. In the answer, he writes out his claim... that no man will come forward and claim he did anything wrong (plus a few other simple things, like stating that he requires a common law court of record).

The judge doesn't want to accept this, so he tries to get the accused to plead guilty or not guilty. The accused says that he already gave the judge his answer.

If the judge is obstinate, and tries to put in a plea for the accused, it's a good idea that the accused have friends in court, who have power of attorney to place paperwork into the case for the accused.

If the judge, and the clerk of the courts are obstinate, and won't even let the accused put paperwork into the court, they start their own case against the judge. And if this goes up to the head magistrate, who often is the governor of the State, or to Federal or U.S. District Court, the judge at the trial is removed from the case and suspended until an investigation takes place.


The point is, there is no simple answer. The forum could be filled with pages of possibilities. So, to suggest that BADecker is somewhat insane, is totally incorrect. You know yourself, if you have really been in court, and are really as knowledgeable about court as you have been claiming, that there are loads of court cases that show this... a small percent perhaps... but many.

Cool

Loads of court cases that show this?   Show me one.

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