Wrongful accusation by Timelord. Did Yahoo put him in DT?

[minime0105]

I recently came back to this forum after getting message from Yobit when they restart their campaign.
After a few days of good work, yahoo kicked me. Reason, was the bad rating from Timelord 2 years ago.

When I ask him, he said this :

You may have timelord on your untrusted list but his feedback shows up and makes you -1. Take up your issue with him. If he removes the trust rating I'll see if I can get ya back in.

Now, when I approached Timelord here are his responses.

1

Sir i ask you humbly to remove or change your old red review but you add a new neutral for waking up after long time. That is fair I accept.
But sir I am no body's alternative account and your connection proof of spelling match of scammerrr is just coincidence of typing.. how can you you say that fair or proof of my account linking with someone else?

sir please consider

I *am* actually investigating your two messages; I will advise once I have completed my investigations.

2

Your red review rating will stop yahoo from accepting me.

That's three times you've said that. Yes, I am looking into it. No I will not be finished today.

When did you buy your account?

3

What do you mean buy account? This is my only account. I stopped using forum 2 or so years ago. Came back for the yobit campaign because got the email. Thought it would be nice money for christmas gift. But your rating is ruining that. I ask you to not make baseless accusations with no proof. Please thank you.

Firstly do you understand I am reviewing your case and that I am tracking down posts from quite a few years ago.
Secondly, YoBit is on the nose here on Bitcointalk and some people don't want to see the signature.
Thirdly, some other people would just tell you to fuck off.  I am looking at your request (even though you your message header should be lees confrontational and say "Please review your rating".

It's the week-end, chill. Go for a walk - enjoy the day.

4

I hope your weekend is over and you can find it in your conscience to correct your mistake.

Thank you

No mistake on my part - at any rate, who did you say is managing the campaign you want to get into?  I'd like to talk to them, thanks.

You guys can see how he thinks if i type the word scammmer withe extra letters, I become the alternate account of someone else? How ridiculous is that explanation?

It has been a week or so since my last message to this guy. Still no trial on his part to fix his mistake, instead he is trolling me in inbox.

When I say this -

Are you shitting me sir? You know very well which yahoo I am talking about.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846
Now if you dont remove the rating. I will have nothing to say to you anymore. I am tired of your dicking around.

he replies with this -

Now if you dont remove the rating.

You'll do what exactly?

What is more ridiculous,

Not being able to take part in Yahoo's campaign because of this rating? or the rating itself?
I ask you community, is this fair? please tell me. I create the thread in Meta so everyone can see it. If this is wrong section, then please tell me.

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[suchmoon]

Timelord2067 is not in DT. Maybe yahoo62278 forgot to add ";dt" when checking the ratings.

[minime0105]

Timelord2067 is not in DT. Maybe yahoo62278 forgot to add ";dt" when checking the ratings.

It is not matter of whether he is DT or not. He can be Dt if you experienced people put him in there. But is this a logical thinking? type a word with extra letters and you become an alternate of someone?
If I sneeze like suchmoon, do I become suchmoon?

[hilariousandco]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

[minime0105]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

So why is yahoo adding him to his trust list and punishing me? Look at my post history. Do I spam? Do I create bad post? Then why exclude me from earning opportunity?

[suchmoon]

So why is yahoo adding him to his trust list and punishing me? Look at my post history. Do I spam? Do I create bad post? Then why exclude me from earning opportunity?

Timelord2067 is not in yahoo's trust list either and shouldn't be showing up even on his 2nd level. So there must be some misunderstanding. Let's wait for him to respond.

[yahoo62278]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

So why is yahoo adding him to his trust list and punishing me? Look at my post history. Do I spam? Do I create bad post? Then why exclude me from earning opportunity?

I do not have Timelord in my trust list. Just went through it to make sure, but that doesn't mean I don't trust some of his ratings. He's right more often then wrong when linking accounts. Does he have a piss poor attitude? Of course, he does. That still doesn't make him wrong in most cases.

Your rating is a little odd I agree but at the time of your removal I had been removing almost everyone with neg trust that shows up when I look from the campaign.

Regardless, you were removed from cryptotalk and the admin has not responded to my request to add other users back, so your result would still be the same. There are other campaigns out there you can try to get a spot in, this is not really a Meta issue either.

[DireWolfM14]

Lol, this is sort of timely, so I'm just going to quote myself from what I wrote on Timelord's trust page just last week (positive review, mind you:)

Timelord2067 puts a lot of effort into exposing fraudulent behavior, and I find his efforts are a tremendous contribution to the health of the community. I may not always agree with his findings, and think his personality can be a bit abrasive at times. If one can look past that it becomes clear he cares about this forum.

I must admit this is one of those situations were I find myself disagreeing with Timelord.  

Intentional mis-spelling of a word like "scammer" by placing multiple Rs at the end is not that uncommon, in my opinion.  It reminds me of how my siblings and I would tease my mother about her accent.  Rolling Rs at the end of a word is still an inside joke in my family.  I recon it's more common among those who's native language is of Latin or Middle Eastern origin, and can therefor look odd to those who's native language is of Germanic origin.

[Stack23]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

So why is yahoo adding him to his trust list and punishing me? Look at my post history. Do I spam? Do I create bad post? Then why exclude me from earning opportunity?

How does removing from the campaign should make you lost an earning opportunity ?  Do you only come here to earn ?

[minime0105]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

So why is yahoo adding him to his trust list and punishing me? Look at my post history. Do I spam? Do I create bad post? Then why exclude me from earning opportunity?

I do not have Timelord in my trust list. Just went through it to make sure, but that doesn't mean I don't trust some of his ratings. He's right more often then wrong when linking accounts. Does he have a piss poor attitude? Of course, he does. That still doesn't make him wrong in most cases.

Your rating is a little odd I agree but at the time of your removal I had been removing almost everyone with neg trust that shows up when I look from the campaign.

Regardless, you were removed from cryptotalk and the admin has not responded to my request to add other users back, so your result would still be the same. There are other campaigns out there you can try to get a spot in, this is not really a Meta issue either.

I do not understand. Are you kicking me out of this campaign for an irrelevant "odd" rating? Or because I did something genuinely wrong? Please be a little more clear. Should I give up hope of joining a campaign because you place more trust in the review of a bully like Timelord, not respond to 3 of my messages and now come here to say a long explanation that does not provide any clear answer.

It is very lazy of you to say me to join other campaign when I could be blocked from joining other campaign because of my low activity on this forum, which is again because of the arrogant bully timelord.

Please tell me if I should continue to hope to be back in this campaign. If not, then I need a proper answer as to why I was kicked. I have followed all the rules of this campaign so why should I be barred from participating if I break no rules? I want fairness nothing more.

[DireWolfM14]

It is very lazy of you to say me to join other campaign when I could be blocked from joining other campaign because of my low activity on this forum, which is again because of the arrogant bully timelord.

Why does your activity have anything to do with Timelord?  His rating is untrusted, so it's not even affecting your trust score.

Look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=778786;dt

In comparison, look how many negative untrusted ratings I have: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2003859;dt
It hasn't affected me in the slightest.  I'm not whining every time I'm called a "scammer" or "hacked account" and it certainly hasn't affected how much time I spend on the forum.

If you come out of the woodwork just to spam the forum only because there's a sig campaign that has low standards, don't be surprised if the rest of the community takes exception to that.  

[minime0105]

It is very lazy of you to say me to join other campaign when I could be blocked from joining other campaign because of my low activity on this forum, which is again because of the arrogant bully timelord.

Why does your activity have anything to do with Timelord?  His rating is untrusted, so it's not even affecting your trust score.

Look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=778786;dt

In comparison, look how many negative untrusted ratings I have: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2003859;dt
It hasn't affected me in the slightest, I'm not whining about every time I'm called a "scammer" or "mentally challenged" and it certainly hasn't affected how much time I spend on the forum.

If you come out of the woodwork just to spam the forum only because there's a sig campaign that has low standards, don't be surprised if the rest of the community takes exception to that. 

The point is not that. The point is why would I get kicked out of a campaign where I was following every rule? I did come out of the wood but I did not spam. I even earn merit from suchmoon when I come back. So why should everyone else get a chance to earn from that campaign and I kicked out because of one bully?

I dont expect the community to stick out their neck for me. Not many people know me here. But I hope at least the man that is managing a large campaign like this, would be fair. Am I wrong to assume that?

[Vispilio]

I thought the philosophies of a libertarian forum like this would be more in line with famous jurist William Blackstone's ratio:
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."


I have Timelord on ignore and distrust for a long time now, and even so I can recall at least 10 cases when he has shown the judgement skills of a toddler.

And astoundingly enough, you have experienced and "well trusted" members of this community who still come up with gems such as "his efforts are a tremendous contribution to the health of the community", at the expense of inflicting completely unfair injuries against valuable and totally innocent members of the forum: minime0105 in this case

It is 100% irrational stuff like this that makes a lot of people suspect there is foul play going on in how the trust system is handled in this forum. Just by reading the quoted messages in this thread alone, it would be crystal clear to any intelligent observer that minime0105 is the aggrieved party, and timelord is insane...

It would lead to the continued alienation of a lot of great members if smearing campaigns and character assassination are tacitly encouraged in this forum...

ps. @Cøbra mentioned the same problem in his tweets just the other day, and I hope @theymos is well aware that there is a steadily increasing population who think that the Default Trust system of BTT continues to be highly manipulated for a while now...

[DireWolfM14]

The point is not that. The point is why would I get kicked out of a campaign where I was following every rule? I did come out of the wood but I did not spam. I even earn merit from suchmoon when I come back. So why should everyone else get a chance to earn from that campaign and I kicked out because of one bully?

I dont expect the community to stick out their neck for me. Not many people know me here. But I hope at least the man that is managing a large campaign like this, would be fair. Am I wrong to assume that?

My first post in this thread is expressing my opinion that he's wrong in this case, and I don't feel like expressing my honest opinion is "sticking my neck out."  It's just my opinion, like Timelord's review is his own.

But I think you're missing the point of the forum.  By your own admission you only came here to earn a few sats, rather than to be a participant in the community and discussion of bitcoin.  It's my opinion that alone makes you a spammer, regardless how many merit you earn and from whom.

I thought the philosophies of a libertarian forum like this would be more in line with famous jurist William Blackstone's ratio:
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

I like that, and although I don't describe myself as a libertarian I tend to agree with the sentiment.  But the trust system isn't a court of law.  No one is going to jail because Timelord leaves a negative review on his trust wall.  We are all adults, and we are all entitled to take every review any way we choose.  

I have my reasons for valuing Timelords efforts.  I run a business here that leaves me very vulnerable to those who abuse alt accounts.  So, yeah I find "his efforts are a tremendous contribution."  I may have my selfish reasons, but I also expressed that "I may not always agree with his findings."  If you're going to quote me, please be thorough, not selective.

[minime0105]

But I think you're missing the point of the forum.  By your own admission you only came here to earn a few sats, rather than to be a participant in the community and discussion of bitcoin.  It's my opinion that alone makes you a spammer, regardless how many merit you earn and from whom.

Well I am glad then that you are not running this forum. If this was an educational forum then okay I might have conceded to your opinion. But this is not that. I am here to make money, and I do not do that by shitposting garbage. If you think anyone that is here to not earn money, then you are living in a fool's paradise. And you alone do not represent all of the community.

Yet, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But right now it is not a contention of opinion. But what is fair and what is not. The only reason yahoo kicked me off that campaign was for this bully's rating. And I wanted to know why Yahoo entertains this bully. The answer to that is pretty much clear now.

What is not clear, is if Yahoo expects me to say goodbye to Yobit campaign because of this bully's rating or if there is a chance for me to get back earning some money legitimately like I was doing.

And i wish you stop riding the high horse by calling almost $14 per day "few satoshis". Some people do not make that per week.

[LoyceMobile]

IsTimelord2067onDTyet.tk

[sonerbo]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

The best post I have read for long time. And how ironic one staff is agree about timelord is only lord of his balls but some others are respecting him. Come on lord check my posts from 2014 and maybe you can catch something ! You can do it !

[The-One-Above-All]

READ THE ENTIRE POST AND TAKE THE ACTION YOU REALLY NEED TO BE TAKING.

Yahoo is the clear issue here not timelord and some responsibility actually sits at theymos's own feet. Yahoo removed you from the campaign right??? tell him to present his clear case that demonstrates you need to be removed, not just deferring his responsibility to proven gamed and abused metrics like this shitty old "trust" system. Bogus ratings like timelord leave ONLY MATTER because yahoo enforces this bogus crap.

This old shitty trust system should have been DELETED. The fact theymos allows PROVEN trust abuse to stay there and allows campaign managers to blatantly use those BOGUS ratings are reasons to claim you are not TRUSTWORTHY enough for their scampaigns is totally disgusting. I mean the very notion of creating a NEW system because the old system was proven to be abused and broken but then allowing the old ratings to stand and dictate a big fucking scam warning on all of your threads is MORE than weird.  That is like acknowledging people have been wrongly accused and put in prison , then just saying oh well they are in there now just fucking leave the poor bastards there in jail anyway for the fun of it.. haha

We warned theymos the flagging system is practically impotent whilst the scampaign managers will still use the gamed and abused trust ratings of their pals to ensure those DT pals and alts have a grossly fair advantage for the better campaigns. Also they have the ability on a whim to crush peoples ability to partake in paid2post and you fucking wonder why the entire forum is turning into an echo chamber??

What was the point of the flagging system it is completely impotent to stop the crushing of free speech because those campaign managers will simply continue to use the OLD and gamed/abused system to still cut people out and that will create an echo chamber here and crush free speech whilst handing the best sig spots to the scampaign managers PALS.

This is undeniable.

1. Remove the old system completely where you can be UNTRUSTWORTHY for whistle blowing on scammers
2. Remove the lemons flag because even after you remove the old shitty abused laughable trust system they will just jump on the lemons flag.


Type 2 flag and above should be the ONLY reason to claim people are untrustworthy.

These campaign managers like yahoo and hhampuz have NO ACCOUNTABILITY as you can see. They just say " oh well we can't be fucked to investigate if you are untrustworthy or not and we can't be fucked to see if your posts are of high quality or not , we will simply defer all responsibility to our PALS on DT and merit sources.

Start presenting a concrete case that campaign managers are discrimination on bogus grounds against applicants you idiots. Pointing at self elected DT scum will do nothing. You can prove they are blatant scammers and nothing will happen to them. Theymos don't care at all.

If campaign managers THEMSELVES can not demonstrate you are A FINANCIAL DANGER, or that your posts ARE NOT HIGH QUALITY but still refuse you then go after the projects themselves for employing campaign managers that are clearly corrupt and discriminating against people on bogus grounds.

Yahoo and Hhampuz are fucking clowns. They likely do not even have the capacity to discern a post of real value . Let's get some objective smart campaign managers that will give a credible reason for denial that stands up to scrutiny.

Theymos is the only person that can fix the crappy trust system, he will not. So you will need to put pressure on the PROJECTS and campaign managers to REALLY employ the more valuable posters and those that are not observably financially high risk.

Forget worrying about timelord, the guy has some very strange ideas about the trust system HOWEVER he actually is not afraid to direct those ideas to every member equally, he is not a typical DT scum bag gang member nor one spamming the typical mixing/gambling sigs.  He does at least fuck with every members equally that makes him far more suitable for DT than those that are clearly pushing double standards.

GO AFTER YAHOO he should be saying here, I will investigate the issue, I will present a strong case that will stand up to scrutiny for kicking you out. If not tell him he is corrupt and make a thread about him.

You will get nowhere going after timelord. The leverage is with the projects and the members they are entrusting with scampaign managing.


If this is a false accusation from timelord then yahoo needs to investigate and find out for himself the lazy slob or fuck off and let someone else do the campaign managing that is not discriminating on bogus grounds.

Recognize the fact here that yahoo is responsible for kicking you out, the responsibility is WITH HIM to demonstrate exactly why you should be kicked.

You have not worried about the trust abuse for years it is only relevant now YAHOO is using it as the basis to boot you out. HENCE the clear issue we have right now.

Contact theymos also perhaps once you explain it to him for the 100th time it will start to dawn on him exactly WHY the old system needs to be burned entirely along with the lemons flag.

The flagging system is great if it was a stand alone system. Since the main punishment people care about is exclusion from campaigns and the old system is still be used as a bogus excuse for that then the flagging system is completely POINTLESS and IMPOTENT.

You may think it is strange only we can recognize this clear fact. The thing is they ALL know this is  exactly how it it but like it to remain like that so pretend not to grasp/accept there is need for immediate change.

[suchmoon]

What is not clear, is if Yahoo expects me to say goodbye to Yobit campaign because of this bully's rating or if there is a chance for me to get back earning some money legitimately like I was doing.

At this point a bigger obstacle to getting back into the campaign is probably your attitude than Timelord's rating. Despite your sense of entitlement, participation a signature campaign is a privilege and not subject to forum rules. Now that your original issue has been clarified perhaps it's time for you to lock the thread and try to resolve this privately if you still disagree with yahoo62278's decision. Anybody else can only inflame the drama.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Perfect example of why timelord shouldn't be on DT and nobody should pay attention to his ratings.

Shit, I didn't even realize he was on DT.  Sometimes Timelord2067 finds solid, obscure connections but sometimes there's a definite air of paranoia and/or straw-grasping going on in his head.  I tend to respect him but it would probably be best if he wasn't on DT given some of his questionable feedback. 

The best post I have read for long time. And how ironic one staff is agree about timelord is only lord of his balls but some others are respecting him.

That's what happens in a free world, dude.  Opinions can and do differ--and I don't think Timelord2067 is doing anything out of malice by any means.  OP probably got a raw deal here, though I agree that he's not going to get (or deserve) much sympathy now that he's admitted his motivations for returning to the forum.  No fault of Yahoo62278, of course.