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November 03, 2019, 10:28:19 PM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

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November 03, 2019, 10:59:02 PM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/

I think Bitcoin cannot solve household debt and  banking bailouts since it cannot influence the human aspects of what causes these problems!

I mean how can Bitcoin solve household debt when the the main cause of this comes from socio-economic factors and lifestyle choices! Similarly, how can Bitcoin solve banking problems when it was the result of poor management!

Therefore, I like to assume that Bitcoin cannot solve socio-economic factors, lifestyle choices and poor management but humans will! So the solution is for us to have necessary reforms so as not to have these kinds of problems in the future. Imho.
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November 04, 2019, 12:43:10 AM
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Not sure if it will be a suitable solution, to be honest, there's been a lot of theories that bitcoin would be able to solve a lot of issues, but it seems too optimistic to be honest.

Debt just simply stems from an issue that isn't solved by bettering the financial system, even if we did an overhaul.

I'm honestly getting annoyed at all of these proposals that are being shown to us, how BTC would solve this, etc, etc.
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November 04, 2019, 12:54:40 AM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/


Bitcoin will be one of the saviors of the Chinese people
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November 04, 2019, 12:59:03 AM
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I think Bitcoin cannot solve household debt and  banking bailouts since it cannot influence the human aspects of what causes these problems!
Agree.  Bitcoin isn't going to be curing poverty, war, or any other thing and I wish people would stop asking this question, because it's stupid.  How is a form of money going to do any of that? 

And yet ever since I've been a member of this forum I've seen threads like this one and many posts in which members argue that bitcoin is going to revolutionize third world countries and overall change the world.  If any tool for doing those things could ever be created I would *think* that it wouldn't take over 10 years for it to kick in, would you?
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November 04, 2019, 01:31:10 AM
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It may be a temporary safe haven but it won't be long. Bitcoin isn't supposed and made to cure poverty among countries. It's never even said in the white paper. Poverty and economical crisis lies within the administration and also the solution is within them. They could try to get into crypto, and I also think crypto is widespread known in China since they got multi-story buildings full of shops regarding mining, but having knowm most crypto is volatile won't do them much good either.


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November 04, 2019, 01:53:05 AM
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It may be a temporary safe haven but it won't be long. Bitcoin isn't supposed and made to cure poverty among countries. It's never even said in the white paper. Poverty and economical crisis lies within the administration and also the solution is within them. They could try to get into crypto, and I also think crypto is widespread known in China since they got multi-story buildings full of shops regarding mining, but having knowm most crypto is volatile won't do them much good either.

It might not be clearly stated in the white paper but there's a possibility that it can solve some economic issues concerning Chinese banking nad household debts, it will depend on how a single entity, a business in particular would utilize the use of cryptocurrency especially bitcoin to help them gain their financial stability. In terms of solving Chinese banking, I don't see the implication of bitcoin saving the struggle of banks as clearly stated in the white paper, sending transactions without the need of any third parties.
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November 04, 2019, 02:14:52 AM
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In my opinion, it is directly impossible for bitcoin to solve household debt and banking bailouts, because the root of the problem lies with
China's financial institutions themselves are not wise in managing the country's finances so it causes the problem. But  bitcoin can help
increase the income of China and its citizens. With some state institutions in part Its budget is invested to buy bitcoin and also all Chinese
people also buy bitcoin. With mass adoption as such it is expected that profits will be made when the price of bitcoin rises. But also take
calculate if the price of bitcoin falls, it must make a backup plan related to this.

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November 04, 2019, 02:17:28 AM
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Bitcoin can help in an eventual crisis, especially in China where there are large Bitcoin investors, however, the crises have multiple causes and once they arise, I do not believe that any cryptocurrency becomes a definitive solution, what I do believe is that A widespread adoption of cryptocurrencies largely prevents a possible financial crisis.
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November 04, 2019, 02:18:53 AM
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China’s debt spiraling out of control could not be helped by bitcoin IMO, as they want to continue battling USD for the prime spot on world markets as the global currency. And again, bitcoin is not a savior of currencies and distressed economies. It just so happened that its properties are somewhat aligned or complementing some of the socio-economic problems of the world that’s why some see it as a makeshift solution to their problems.

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November 04, 2019, 02:36:47 AM
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I think Bitcoin cannot solve household debt and  banking bailouts since it cannot influence the human aspects of what causes these problems!
Agree.  Bitcoin isn't going to be curing poverty, war, or any other thing and I wish people would stop asking this question, because it's stupid.  How is a form of money going to do any of that? 

Yeah I guess its better not to spread false hope among our peers because as I understand, there are "societal problems" that cant be solved by technological solutions.

And yet ever since I've been a member of this forum I've seen threads like this one and many posts in which members argue that bitcoin is going to revolutionize third world countries and overall change the world.  If any tool for doing those things could ever be created I would *think* that it wouldn't take over 10 years for it to kick in, would you?

Had their assumptions been correct, then we could have seen significant improvements towards those problems right now but I'm afraid that 10 years since inception, Bitcoin will not solve these so called "societal problems" per se. Imho.

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November 04, 2019, 02:41:06 AM
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Bitcoin had never been and will never be a magic that will cure any economic crisis and problem. It is never aimed to be a solution. It is up to the leaders how will an economic problem will be solved and cryptocurrency can only be an alternative tool and not a solution.

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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?


Bitcoin has never been designed to be the end-all and be-all solution to the ill-effects of the many bad decisions that people and the government got into. Chinese should go back to their old culture where saving money for whatever reason is quite popularly practiced. I am sure that it is the blatant Western consumerism that is now engulfing and creeping into China especially in the face of their newfound wealth and influence. I even heard that the big American membership club Costco opened in China with a lot of fanfare and good reception from the Chinese. They prefer to splurge rather than save their money somewhere or in the banks. China can be following some big mistakes that other big economies made in the past decades. Let's hope they can reverse this trend as it would be disheartening to see millions of Chinese getting afflicted with this economic malady.

I still have to hear an economy that is bailed out by Bitcoin. Certainly, during economic hardships and difficulties Bitcoin can be an instrument that can somehow lessen the pain in the ass, as what we witnessed in Venezuela, Zimbabwe and Argentina. Many Chinese know how to protect their wealth and money so maybe in case there will be a crisis, more will be opting to put their resources in Bitcoin to tie them over for the mean time when the waves are raging like hell. However, I don't see a scenario like this coming to the resilient and proud China. The country has all the money reserved just in case they might need them for some programs to help their economy get stimulated and saved. On the other hand, it might even be Bitcoin that needs some "bail out" from China. And just opening its door officially for Bitcoin can be enough.
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November 04, 2019, 04:06:41 AM
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Bitcoin is not a new thing for the Chinese people. During the 2013 rally, part of it was actually by the Chinese. Due to the yuan devaluation and the capital controls in China, many invested in Bitcoin. And then all of a sudden China bans Bitcoin , followed by the MtGox bankruptcy to begin the long bear market from $1100 to $150.

This is why you need to be careful of this move that happened recently. Most Chinese know about Bitcoin already and would of invested back in 2013 when it was cheaper. We have a bull flag on the daily and you need to becareful if it fails and the entire Xi pump ends up fading.





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November 04, 2019, 04:28:37 AM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/

Not just China, It's a global issue right at this moment! But it's highly unlikely that bitcoin will be any help to this! The simple reason is the consumer driven economy where bitcoin adoption rate is next to zero! We can't really buy any real things using bitcoin, certainly not in a country like China!

I remember, my uncle wanted to buy a scooter 23 years ago. He had to pay in hard cold cash because automotive loan was an alien word that time! Today if I want to even buy a TV, I don't require to pay anything upfront as 100% loan is available! I will just have to pay equated monthly installments! So the buying habit of consumer is changing drastically as well! Result - more household debt!

Bitcoin comes nowhere as a solution to it! It's our own buying behavior that is changing due to the easy availability of loans. Unless we change our outlook, or a government policy prohibits such practices, nothing's gonna change and we will continue to submit ourselves to these loopholes of a debt driven economy!

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November 04, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/
Bitcoin can't solve china banking because bitcoin not got respond from investor in China, many people there dislike with bitcoin and they look happy using and working with bank system, maybe use bitcoin only for increase money with investment way without have use bitcoin for banking way to save crypto assets in the bank.

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November 04, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
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Bitcoin can solve the problems of individuals in countries with their financial problems, such as countries suffering from hyperinflation or the difficulty of formal transfers between those countries.
Like what happened in Venezuela or Zimbabwe or as is happening now in Lebanon, the difference can be made in the extent to which people know about this technology and how to know the investment opportunities that relate to them.

Bitcoin will not solve the problem of Chinese Banking but will solve the problems of some Chinese who may suffer from currency disturbances.





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November 04, 2019, 03:34:17 PM
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I think that China will use crypto-currencies with a maximum of efficiency for their country.
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November 04, 2019, 08:19:50 PM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/

Of course not.

Most of those debts are denominated in yuan or dollars, and they would need to earn yuan or dollars to pay them off. Most Chinese have no way of earning bitcoin in order to convert it to yuan or dollars to pay their debts off.

 
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November 04, 2019, 09:34:37 PM
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China’s economy is not immune to the woes that are creeping into Western ones. It has long been a nation of savers but increasing household debt and more banking bailouts are signaling stormy economic weather ahead. Will bitcoin be the savior when the big crunch comes?

https://bitcoinist.com/will-bitcoin-solve-chinese-banking-household-debt-woes/

Of course, why not? but only if China lifts the ban on bitcoin and cryptocurrency trading in the country. As we all know, the Chinese government has banned bitcoin and all the cryptocurrency trading in the country since 2017 and China did not stop there, they even went on to banned bitcoin mining in the country as well.  
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