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May 08, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
Merited by safar1980 (2), JayJuanGee (1)
 #201

Part of the reason merit distribution is declining is because merit is being received by people who are inactive. Otherwise, merit distribution is declining because people are not spending sMerit as they receive merit.

As merit sources don’t spend their source sMerit, less new merit enters into the ecosystem. If all active merit sources spend all their merit, and the inactive sources don’t spend any, it would appear that source merit is not being spent when looking at the data, but there would be missing context.

For this reason, the appointment of new sources seems to me pointless. The number of active posters is decreasing, and new merit sources will simply be handed out to the same users as current sources.



New merit sources should give preference to the good quality posts no matter who made it, if Theymos made any changes in the merit sources lists. Even if theymos is not interested in adding new sources, its better to reallocate some since some merit sources have very few smerits to spend from their source which was even less than 100 for some.

Then it makes sense to make a correction to those sources that have a very small bank. Those who have 400-500 merit in the bank monthly for distribution do not need this correction.



Rare? I send 1 merit/post almost half of the time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716), even though i focus on specific board/topic without being too generous.

And how many sources like you? Most sources send 2,3,4,7 merit per post. I used to send 1 merit per post myself. With my bank of 500 merit, I managed to evaluate more than 500 posts. Only my personal smerit were helped out, so I requested a correction and an increase in the bank. When I see that a user evaluates 180-220 posts per month, having 400-500 merit in the bank, then it is clear that in this case, the correction and increase of the bank in the bank is just a whim of this merit source.





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May 08, 2021, 12:53:51 PM
Merited by fillippone (4), JayJuanGee (1), ETFbitcoin (1)
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If anyone wants to take a look at their (or others) average sMerit sending habits, they can get a glimpse here:
Overall:
https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PotentialMeritSources
Restricted to 2021:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/848DMMFCG?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

Specifically, the column “Avg. Merit TX” is the interesting one, although the complementary stdDevSentTx may be interesting to take a look at too (the higher this value is, the more variable the amount send in relation to the average).

The list is not delimited to Merit Sources, but the top members on the list are bound to be. There are a bunch of people with an average in the 1s range, going all the way up to 5s (and beyond).

For example, my average for the running 2021 is of 1,04, with a standard deviation of 0,2. So basically, I’m a regular (mean) 1 sMerit per Tx type of person.

Additionally, the Sent TX summary (top right of the following screen) shows that I (Username is changeable) award 1 sMerit 89,92% of my sMerit TXs, 2sMerits 9,3%, and my max is that of 10 sMerits (0,04%):
https://public.tableau.com/shared/QTY32FDHP?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

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May 09, 2021, 08:58:42 AM
 #203

Rare? I send 1 merit/post almost half of the time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716), even though i focus on specific board/topic without being too generous.

And how many sources like you? Most sources send 2,3,4,7 merit per post. I used to send 1 merit per post myself.

With @DdmrDdmr statistic, we can see there are some people who did same thing. But i problem with sending more merit per post. The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post.

With my bank of 500 merit, I managed to evaluate more than 500 posts. Only my personal smerit were helped out, so I requested a correction and an increase in the bank. When I see that a user evaluates 180-220 posts per month, having 400-500 merit in the bank, then it is clear that in this case, the correction and increase of the bank in the bank is just a whim of this merit source.

Each merit source have different total of source merit each month, only about 12 merit source have more than 300 source merit (according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend).

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May 09, 2021, 09:06:38 AM
 #204

The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post.
That's not really a problem: If the post is very useful, it's likely to receive Merit from other users too.

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May 09, 2021, 09:19:22 AM
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The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post.
That's not really a problem: If the post is very useful, it's likely to receive Merit from other users too.

And i never say it's problem, but merely concern.

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May 11, 2021, 06:26:25 AM
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With @DdmrDdmr statistic, we can see there are some people who did same thing. But i problem with sending more merit per post. The real concern is merit source send same amount of merit for almost all posts, ignoring the quality or how useful is the post.
As a merit source, I tend to give out a varying amount of merit, depending on a number of factors, including the amount of total sMerit I have to give out, and my mood, but also the effort put into the post, and the importance of the information in the post.

Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post.
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May 11, 2021, 06:35:20 AM
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Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post.
No punishment to merit sources if they don't use all sourced smerit so they should not force themselves to send sourced smerit more than a post deserves to get.

1, 2 or any number can be sent to a good post but each source can bind with their rules. If their rules are.
Good post: 1 merit
Above good post: 2 merit
Excellent post: 3 merit.

They can bind with their rules. If is not fair if they send 1 merit to a good post usually but when their source is full, they send a good post 10 merit.

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May 11, 2021, 06:43:25 AM
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Merit sources should do their best to keep their available source merit close to zero (ie spend all their source merit), and doing so is not always easy if they do not read a lot of good posts. This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post.
No punishment to merit sources if they don't use all sourced smerit so they should not force themselves to send sourced smerit more than a post deserves to get.
There is no punishment, but theymos has encouraged the merit sources to spend all their source merit. If I do not spend all my source merit, it will go to waste, so I might as well give more merit on a per post basis so all my source merit is depleted. Theymos has said in the past that it is better to give one post 50 merit if you can only find one merit-worthy post in a month and have 50 source merit rather than let your source merit go to waste.
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May 11, 2021, 08:27:06 AM
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This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post.

Alternatively merit source could send more merit per post (including post which already merited) only for posts which considered better than most merited post.

If is not fair if they send 1 merit to a good post usually but when their source is full, they send a good post 10 merit.

Merit system has never been fair and each source is allowed to have their own rules/preference.

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May 13, 2021, 05:13:33 AM
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This means they may need to send a lot of merit per post.

Alternatively merit source could send more merit per post (including post which already merited) only for posts which considered better than most merited post.

If is not fair if they send 1 merit to a good post usually but when their source is full, they send a good post 10 merit.

Merit system has never been fair and each source is allowed to have their own rules/preference.

I will kind of go along with your point that the merit system might not be the most fair system, but I doubt that creating additional requirements for merit sources would be very helpful.  There seems to be a decent amount of subjectivity and even lack of imposition of requirements for merit sources which likely causes it to be kind of less centralized... even though sure, having the same merit sources for a long time, likely gravitates towards greater centralization, so what would be the solution to make it more fair?  Have more merit sources or rotating merit sources, which is something that theymos could do.. perhaps?

Sure there could be more clear guidelines for merit sources too, including that they spend their merits or lose their position or lose their allocation, and if there seems to be needs for tweaking and ongoing monitoring and tweaking of the system in order to attempt to make it more fair, then maybe theymos should appoint a merit system czar?  Not sure if that would help, or if theymos's seeming choice to NOT change the system very often is more fair from his perspective, which seems that NOT making changes very often seems to be where he is at, at this time.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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May 13, 2021, 06:59:03 PM
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The current sources have already raised the rates for evaluating posts, it is already rare that anyone throws 1 merit per post, at least 2, 4, or even more.

Rare? I send 1 merit/post almost half of the time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=359716), even though i focus on specific board/topic without being too generous.

same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends.

Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry...

I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc...

Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho


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May 13, 2021, 09:24:03 PM
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same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends.

Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry...

I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc...

Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho

one merit per post may seem stingy but often times i wind up meriting the same person several posts in row in a thread, so it averages out to more per person i suppose..  as consistently good posters get more merits, its kinda follows, whether they get many merits in one post or one merit each for many posts..

i do try to give more to sub legendary all things being equal but legendaries also need merits so they can send them on too.
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May 14, 2021, 11:29:42 PM
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same here. 90+ percent of mine are 1 merit sends as i try to spread it out as much as possible. i think the most ive given out was 3 or 4 (rare, those) except for a couple fat finger sends.

Only send 1 isn't bad but a bit of BS imo.... sorry...

I like to send more as 1 so a rewarded person can resent some as well, its hard to write only merit'able' posts and so difficult to earn merits which can be resent by someone who isn't a source, good members still need some kind of motivation to rank up etc...

Beside that, as sources we can detect a lot of good members which are more as capable of sending merits for good posts as well... so I don't mind giving 5-10 to some good senior, hero etc members so they can resent and rank up both... Also a lot of good Legendary posters whom fancy some merits as well but have difficulties with earning, so for members we know are good members, its not wrong for meriting them on there posts a bit more from time to time imho

one merit per post may seem stingy but often times i wind up meriting the same person several posts in row in a thread, so it averages out to more per person i suppose..  as consistently good posters get more merits, its kinda follows, whether they get many merits in one post or one merit each for many posts..

i do try to give more to sub legendary all things being equal but legendaries also need merits so they can send them on too.

I reward sub sometimes harder as they are needing to rank up a bit, though I merit very active Legendaries as well with more merit, for the reasons they are the stones of the forum where we build on and they fancy some merits as well to send and reward other and new members....

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May 30, 2021, 08:16:26 PM
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Bumping this thread in the hope that Theymos will see it and see my plea for more source sMerits.  I've posted in a few threads recently that I'm all out of earned ones and right now have only about 15 source sMerits--and I could easily give those away within a few minutes.

I've also made the offer to review post histories in a few threads for members who contact me via PM, and lately there have been several who've taken me up on it and have ended up with a bunch of merits.  I'd like to keep that offer open, but I can only do so if I have enough sMerits to give out.

Thanks in advance, Theymos.

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El Duderino, filling in a merit boost bill hoping the grand official Theymos will approve my request….

9 June, official request for more source merits

Why, main reason is I’m a bit short in Smerits to do my merit job as how I’m pleased of doing it….
I’m not looking to other sources, we all have our own way of spreading them.

I do like to rank up deserving members, I do like to give Legendary non-sources Smerits as well on good posts in order they feel them self rewarded and recognized in this forum where they have been posting for years and separated themselves from non-believers etc, as they like to get some Smerits as well to reward further new members etc, even on busy days as lately I always do find the time so exhaust my full sourc allowance as my seg earned merit, NON are not been used, all are always send….

I hope my bill gets past like it did in El Salvador and my bags getting a bit more Smerits

Good work, should be rewarded

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June 09, 2021, 12:26:29 PM
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Agree with El Duderino_ above.

I often find my sMerit (source allowance) empty. I like to cruise around the forum dropping sMerit on deserving posts. I could really do with an increase to my source allowance, it’d help a lot.

Hope theymos reads these posts & increases our allowance any way.

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June 09, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
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I do not need a bump as I have been lazy in giving merits out.

I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away.

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June 09, 2021, 02:21:45 PM
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I do not need a bump as I have been lazy in giving merits out.

I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away.

Very generous phillip, greatly appreciated.


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June 09, 2021, 11:55:06 PM
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I just gave 30 to the 3 above me which means they now have 15 to give away.
Jeez, philipma1957--you didn't have to give me any merits at all, but I appreciate it.  My whole point in posting in this thread was to get Theymos's attention so that he might replenish my source sMerits a bit more rapidly.  And I think it might have worked, though it seems like I never have more than about 30 sMerits at any given point.  Still, if they get re-upped once I use them all up I'm fine with that.  I just want to have enough so that I'm not completely out when I see a post worth meriting.

Hope theymos reads these posts & increases our allowance any way.
Me too, especially since I don't think Theymos intends to anoint any new merit sources for now.  Last I checked there were quite a few applications that fell on deaf ears.

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June 12, 2021, 12:52:53 PM
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Are there any changes in merit circulation in the last couple of months? I didn't see any new sources and few left/inactive.





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