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November 16, 2019, 07:01:02 AM
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i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.
and joined Mike Hearn and they tried to do a hostile takeover with BitcoinXT and that failed miserably.

underhanded?Huh
hostile take over?Huh
you really are drinking the core coolaid

gavins XT was not a client doing node ban and implementation of new rules.
gavins XT was not a client doing mandated consensus bypass
gavins XT was not a client doing anything that would disrupt the community in any controversial way.

it was using real consensus. and yes his options didnt sway favour by the core fangirls and so consensus was not reached thus nothing changed.. meaning nothing underhanded or harmful occured
basically it didnt get the vote so he didnt push.. and thats how consensus should be.

however core did do underhanded stuff. they didnt get thier segwit november 2016+ vote. so the pushed they mandated they fear campaigned they banned nodes they bypassed proper consensus to get thier segwit aug2017 activated
its why the network has become too reliant on core. and how core is actually a central point of the network now.

but hey 'all hail core' and look how people who even dare criticise core are treated.
in a fair open community if you cant criticise a leader, if the leader has no opposition, where if there were any theyd be banned/ censored, its no longer a network solving the byzantine generals problem but become a dictatorship

so if you fear criticsising core and you instead want to give them loyalty and favour them as the sole controller. then you have accepted centralisation

atleast try to actually check and research facts, and not follow the scripts of core fangirls on reddit/twitter
there is plenty of block data, plenty of code. plenty of actual facts that show that XT wouldnt have caused harm by being controversial. yet same data and facts of blockdata and nod stats and code that show that core was controversial.

but i know your just going to continue to believe the core fangirls version of events, like what most slave/loyalists to dictators do


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November 16, 2019, 07:10:27 AM
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I think Gavin chose to retire because he didn't want to be involved in the big player drama that is happening until now.
Maybe he is still active in the world of cryptocurrency but only behind the scenes because we know that he is one of the visionaries in cryptocurrency. There is a possibility he will return if the drama is over.

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November 16, 2019, 07:20:42 AM
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what do you mean is to make the price of bitcoin go back up to be very expensive? I doubt that because I saw when a few years ago if he could move the price conditions of cryptocurrency there might be many traders and investors affected but I am sure they are not easy to influence anymore, traders have learned from something that has happened.

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November 16, 2019, 07:33:50 AM
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what do you mean is to make the price of bitcoin go back up to be very expensive? I doubt that because I saw when a few years ago if he could move the price conditions of cryptocurrency there might be many traders and investors affected but I am sure they are not easy to influence anymore, traders have learned from something that has happened.

the op didnt say that (as far as i read his statement on the first page )  i think what he means when he say comeback is that the guy can showed up in public and announce something important or something good like if he will tweak the said cryptos to make them more better or more stable but i think this will also lead for thier value to grow because people will be more interested with those cryptos more evenly .
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November 16, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
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i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.
and joined Mike Hearn and they tried to do a hostile takeover with BitcoinXT and that failed miserably.

underhanded?Huh
hostile take over?Huh
you really are drinking the core coolaid

gavins XT was not a client doing node ban and implementation of new rules.
gavins XT was not a client doing mandated consensus bypass
gavins XT was not a client doing anything that would disrupt the community in any controversial way.

it was using real consensus. and yes his options didnt sway favour by the core fangirls and so consensus was not reached thus nothing changed.. meaning nothing underhanded or harmful occured
basically it didnt get the vote so he didnt push.. and thats how consensus should be.

however core did do underhanded stuff. they didnt get thier segwit november 2016+ vote. so the pushed they mandated they fear campaigned they banned nodes they bypassed proper consensus to get thier segwit aug2017 activated
its why the network has become too reliant on core. and how core is actually a central point of the network now.

but hey 'all hail core' and look how people who even dare criticise core are treated.
in a fair open community if you cant criticise a leader, if the leader has no opposition, where if there were any theyd be banned/ censored, its no longer a network solving the byzantine generals problem but become a dictatorship

so if you fear criticsising core and you instead want to give them loyalty and favour them as the sole controller. then you have accepted centralisation

atleast try to actually check and research facts, and not follow the scripts of core fangirls on reddit/twitter
there is plenty of block data, plenty of code. plenty of actual facts that show that XT wouldnt have caused harm by being controversial. yet same data and facts of blockdata and nod stats and code that show that core was controversial.

but i know your just going to continue to believe the core fangirls version of events, like what most slave/loyalists to dictators do



Hey, so you are are Gavin supporter and a Core hater and I do not blame you for that. Some people have issues with the Core guys and they go

on with their lives, but you obviously have deep seated issues with them (based on your post history and constant negative finger pointing at

them)  Roll Eyes

I on the other hand believe that the BitcoinXT thing was a blemish on the whole Bitcoin community, because a lot of underhanded things took

place back then that could simply be classified as childish. (This happened from both sides)  I do not want to go into a long debate over who is

right and who is wrong, because I know you will never budge and I will also not bend the knee (so it will just be wasting time)

Let's just leave this there and you believe what you want and I will continue to be the Core fangirl if that makes you feel better. (calling people

names)  Roll Eyes

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November 16, 2019, 09:26:36 AM
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maybe he was seclusion and trying to forgive himself for having said Craig Wright as Satoshi, I think he was enough to retire if he was not seen anymore, we also know Gavin often communicates with satoshi of course he has some Bitcoin in his wallet so he could have he retired early enjoying his wealth, I think without gavin bitcoin will continue to grow

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November 18, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
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He made a promise to retire and I think he is fulfilling his promise and if he is to come back based on his own personal decision, I think that it will be a blow to him, and also him not being a man of his word. It is just like the way satoshi disappeared, if he was not a man of his word, I am sure that he would have already long resurface but 10 years is still counting and he is still abiding by his policy, so as this man too will also do, except maybe the community feel that there is a strong reason for him to come back and that would be on a special request that he can live on.

There are other strong developers and I think that they have the power to be able to take over form where he actually stopped, so I am not sure that without him, their crypto space will not continue to grow stringer.
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November 20, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
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Being pioneer in the industry does not mean that you are still perform as you did. I used to be we developer long ago and I was really good but I have left that sector long ago. Now when I see these days programmers and developers I sometimes feels myself really outdated and most of them are out of my scope.

My point is that technology changes every single day and if you are keeping yourself up to date with these and are not consistence then being a pioneer is not going to give you any advantage. Bitcoin community evolved and even person like Satoshi can not make much impact anymore. Bitcoin is not a one node or few nodes. It's thousands nodes and millions are into it.

Good point. Being a pioneer in something doesn't mean you'll be the best at it. You need to remain constantly updated with the latest happenings in the industry. Considering that the Blockchain industry moves at a fast pace, new things emerge every day. Gavin was a great developer back in Bitcoin's early days and could still be one if he decides to make a comeback. It's only a matter of staying "up-to-date" with everything that has happened with crypto and Blockchain technology since one's departure. The last activity related to Bitcoin Cash, may give us an indication that Gavin would continue working on BCH's side if he makes a comeback. After all, he's been always known to be a proponent of large block sizes within the Bitcoin blockchain.

I remember the day where Bitcoin XT was proposed as a solution for scaling the main BTC blockchain by accepting larger blocks than 1MB. Back then, many people were against large blocks for a very good reason (mostly centralization issues). While Bitcoin XT never came into light, the new Bitcoin Cash hard fork made a drastic change in Bitcoin's block size capacity. I would've imagined Gavin working hard on "big blocks" in order to make the alternative BTC blockchain as secure and scalable as ever. Still though, we should accept the fact that he's not an indispensable person. I believe that we shouldn't worry much about Gavin since we already have hard-working developers on both ends (Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash). Should he return, he would prove to be useful for the long-term development of BCH.

Nonetheless, I believe that Gavin's decision to abandon Bitcoin was largely because of his loss of credibility within the Blockchain industry. After all, he insisted that Craig was the real Satoshi without any evidence backing his claims. With loss of confidence, there's no reason to head back into Bitcoin now. Hence, his return or departure wouldn't make a difference in Bitcoin's long-term development due to the immense number of people working on it today. Just my thoughts Grin

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