Cryptotalk forum payment issue and many more

[TryNinja]

In a spam infected forum, I find it a great idea.
It will make people not only stop posting one-liners that will get deleted but it will also make them avoid topics that would get trashed.
Of course, it generates problems of its own by clogging other topics but it is also forcing people to think not just to open a page where to unload a bunch of text.

After all, why should they get paid for something that erased two hours alter and 99% of the forum didn't read?
Would you pay somebody to rake the leaves from your lawn every hour when all he does is pile them up in a corner so the wind blows them all over?

That would be the idea, yeah. But that's not happening nor it's going to happen while people can spam that easily for money. Their posts are getting deleted, but they keep making more or creating more accounts. I have seen some extremely blatantly multi accounts spamming extremely broken off-topic posts to get paid. Their money is being spent sanely on this kind of posts. The user that got the big 1 BTC price vanished and no one else is making any real discussion there.

[stompix]

That would be the idea, yeah.

Yeah, that's I only touched it and not mentioned how effective it will be because if nothing else is done it won't help at all.

About deletion and clogging the topics:
Total Topics  5448 Total Posts  598022
A clear indicator of mega threads.
Funny thing their user to post ratio in just two months is 120 while bitcointalk's is 25.

But in the end..let them stay there, let them rot!!!
Every post made there means one less shitpot here, and we already have more than enough.

The user that got the big 1 BTC price vanished and no one else is making any real discussion there.

Oh really? This is interesting 
Are they in a clinic recuperating? Note that I didn't believe for a second it was only one.

[Botnake]

I would not because I can't make that long post in a short period of time and contribute to the forum at the same time.

They are changing the rules when you are halfway completing your post requirement, that's too shady and I would not trust them for that, and how much are you getting per post, i think its just a small amount of money, but if you are jobless and you have not seen any option to make money and you have enough time to spend for that, then maybe you will compel yourself to continue, but like I said, its too shady.

[pilosopotasyo]

The campaign here in Bitcointalk could be Paused, because the main thread is locked and participants cannot transfer their earnings in their main balance, so I guess in a week we will not see that Cryptotalk campaign, but they should have relayed the messaged to the bounty manager that the campaign is paused everybody is left guessing.

[virasog]

In a spam infected forum, I find it a great idea.
It will make people not only stop posting one-liners that will get deleted but it will also make them avoid topics that would get trashed.
Of course, it generates problems of its own by clogging other topics but it is also forcing people to think not just to open a page where to unload a bunch of text.

After all, why should they get paid for something that erased two hours alter and 99% of the forum didn't read?
Would you pay somebody to rake the leaves from your lawn every hour when all he does is pile them up in a corner so the wind blows them all over?

That would be the idea, yeah. But that's not happening nor it's going to happen while people can spam that easily for money. Their posts are getting deleted, but they keep making more or creating more accounts. I have seen some extremely blatantly multi accounts spamming extremely broken off-topic posts to get paid. Their money is being spent sanely on this kind of posts. The user that got the big 1 BTC price vanished and no one else is making any real discussion there.

The user who got 1 BTC was also not making any serious discussions there either. 
This is the problem with forums who want to keep it alive by paying for the posts. The moment you stop them payment, they move on and this is what the winner guy with 1 BTC did. You start another competition and he will come with another army of shitposters.

[Botnake]

The campaign here in Bitcointalk could be Paused, because the main thread is locked and participants cannot transfer their earnings in their main balance, so I guess in a week we will not see that Cryptotalk campaign, but they should have relayed the messaged to the bounty manager that the campaign is paused everybody is left guessing.

The manager does not receive a response yet,its up to the member if they will remove or not because some maybe are afraid they might not be able to come back when yobit refill the signature funds balance. With limited number of signature campaign in the forum now, some are still willing to do the job with cryptotalk or yobit hoping soon they'll top up the balance, that's what they do and don't expect yahoo will tell the campaign is now pause because he did not point that on his last update regarding the campaign.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg53250974#msg53250974

I cannot guarantee they are going to refill the balance. I have no control over that. I'm just going by what I've seen so far from them. They have been messaged and are aware.

Wear the sig of you don't mind the risk. Remove it if you do. I'm locking the thread now due to spammy responses.

If the balance is refilled someone pm me and I'll reopen the thread.

[Quidat]

The campaign here in Bitcointalk could be Paused, because the main thread is locked and participants cannot transfer their earnings in their main balance, so I guess in a week we will not see that Cryptotalk campaign, but they should have relayed the messaged to the bounty manager that the campaign is paused everybody is left guessing.

The manager does not receive a response yet,its up to the member if they will remove or not because some maybe are afraid they might not be able to come back when yobit refill the signature funds balance. With limited number of signature campaign in the forum now, some are still willing to do the job with cryptotalk or yobit hoping soon they'll top up the balance, that's what they do and don't expect yahoo will tell the campaign is now pause because he did not point that on his last update regarding the campaign.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg53250974#msg53250974

I cannot guarantee they are going to refill the balance. I have no control over that. I'm just going by what I've seen so far from them. They have been messaged and are aware.

Wear the sig of you don't mind the risk. Remove it if you do. I'm locking the thread now due to spammy responses.

If the balance is refilled someone pm me and I'll reopen the thread.

With that kind of update then its up to users if they can still further risk their time and effort on promoting cryptotalk.Good thing here is that
the manager of said campaign have that update where he already informed the team about such issue.Its not actually new about that transfer balance button
isnt working yet it already happened a lot of times in the past.Sooner or later it would be refilled but all will vary on teams decisions.So patience would be tested up
on here.

[adzino]

Why would you even join that forum and waste your time? I pretty much sure they are paying shit amount for posting. You are just wasting your time for few cents. You could have done something better other than focusing on that forum and would have likely earned more.
Anyways, the forum is supposed to be filled by spammers spamming random shit (with multiple accounts) to earn few cents. Any kind of forum that pays for posting are just encourage their users to spam.

[Pearls Before Swine]

The manager does not receive a response yet,its up to the member if they will remove or not because some maybe are afraid they might not be able to come back when yobit refill the signature funds balance.

Yep, that's a concern of mine and it would be *fantastic* if yobit would just communicate what they plan on doing to yahoo62278 if not the rest of us.  It isn't so much to ask.

But the way I figure it, I'm not looking to join another campaign so it's not going to hurt me one way or another if I just keep wearing the cryptotalk signature.  It isn't like I'm helping to advertise a scam site. 

Also, yobit doesn't have a history of scamming their campaign participants and my spidey sense is tingling that this is probably just a prolonged delay on their part and that they'll refill the campaign wallet eventually.

[Botnake]

The manager does not receive a response yet,its up to the member if they will remove or not because some maybe are afraid they might not be able to come back when yobit refill the signature funds balance.

Yep, that's a concern of mine and it would be *fantastic* if yobit would just communicate what they plan on doing to yahoo62278 if not the rest of us.  It isn't so much to ask.

But the way I figure it, I'm not looking to join another campaign so it's not going to hurt me one way or another if I just keep wearing the cryptotalk signature.  It isn't like I'm helping to advertise a scam site. 

Also, yobit doesn't have a history of scamming their campaign participants and my spidey sense is tingling that this is probably just a prolonged delay on their part and that they'll refill the campaign wallet eventually.

And the signature campaign thread was locked already due as per yahoo, this is to avoid spam post.
I don't know if the issue has been resolve already particularly on the "send to balance" button which participants like to click after they make a post.

[sheenshane]

You guys don't bother your self if they are not paying, as what yahoo's said.

Wear the sig of you don't mind the risk. Remove it if you do.

If you feel they are not paying just stop wearing their signature, I saw now there are few of their participants before switching to another signature campaign.

And the signature campaign thread was locked already due as per yahoo, this is to avoid spam post.

Yes, because a lot of Cryptotalk participants keep asking on the thread they don't even read the previous replies and concerns. I didn't know if that was intended to have a count post and blindly read previous replies.

[LordShanken]

It crossed my mind that maybe they especially suspend the possibility of withdrawals, because they want people who joined only for profit to change their signature and thus get rid of the most spamming ones.

[1Referee]

It crossed my mind that maybe they especially suspend the possibility of withdrawals, because they want people who joined only for profit to change their signature and thus get rid of the most spamming ones.

Makes little sense. If they wanted to properly filter out the garbage posters, they would have shut it down on their end and let Yahoo manually select and pay the participants.

Yobit only cares about the exposure the posters with their signature on provide, and that's actually a lot because you can't open a thread without a few of them popping up in your face. The more annoyed we are looking at their signature, the more success they have because it means their signature is visible across all boards basically.

[LordShanken]

It crossed my mind that maybe they especially suspend the possibility of withdrawals, because they want people who joined only for profit to change their signature and thus get rid of the most spamming ones.

Makes little sense. If they wanted to properly filter out the garbage posters, they would have shut it down on their end and let Yahoo manually select and pay the participants.

Yobit only cares about the exposure the posters with their signature on provide, and that's actually a lot because you can't open a thread without a few of them popping up in your face. The more annoyed we are looking at their signature, the more success they have because it means their signature is visible across all boards basically.

If they were all about spam, then my theory would make no sense. If Yobit is all about visibility, I'm surprised they only accept Senior +. If they wanted spam, they would accept all ranks. I think that even if they want to be visible as much as possible, they do not want to make anything bad for the Bitcointalk community and that is why they only wanted high rank users.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If Yobit is all about visibility, I'm surprised they only accept Senior +.

Lots of campaigns only accept Seniors or higher, or even only Hero and Legendary, because these users get the biggest signatures. Spam has nothing to do with it.

they do not want to make anything bad for the Bitcointalk community and that is why they only wanted high rank users.

Being high ranked doesn't mean you aren't a spammer, as this campaign and the hundreds of users yahoo62278 has banned proves. YoBit do not care about Bitcointalk - they only want to exploit it for their own gain. Their last campaign was such a spam fest which they refused to address that theymos had to step in and ban it altogether. The new campaign was exactly the same, and the only reason they hired yahoo62278 was to avoid being banned again. If they actually cared for the community then they would run a proper campaign as 1Referee has said, instead of this accept-anyone-and-everyone nonsense.

[LordShanken]

If Yobit is all about visibility, I'm surprised they only accept Senior +.

Lots of campaigns only accept Seniors or higher, or even only Hero and Legendary, because these users get the biggest signatures. Spam has nothing to do with it.

they do not want to make anything bad for the Bitcointalk community and that is why they only wanted high rank users.

Being high ranked doesn't mean you aren't a spammer, as this campaign and the hundreds of users yahoo62278 has banned proves. YoBit do not care about Bitcointalk - they only want to exploit it for their own gain. Their last campaign was such a spam fest which they refused to address that theymos had to step in and ban it altogether. The new campaign was exactly the same, and the only reason they hired yahoo62278 was to avoid being banned again. If they actually cared for the community then they would run a proper campaign as 1Referee has said, instead of this accept-anyone-and-everyone nonsense.

Sorry, but I notice a inconsistency in your statement. From my point of view, Cryptotalk/Yobit is doing everything to avoid problems. They did everything what is needed. They reduced the number of posts from 20 to 5 per day, they employed a person who oversees spam. What else should they do to make you think their goal is not only spam but promotion - because that's what this campaign is for, right?!

[TryNinja]

Sorry, but I notice a inconsistency in your statement. From my point of view, Cryptotalk/Yobit is doing everything to avoid problems. They did everything what is needed. They reduced the number of posts from 20 to 5 per day, they employed a person who oversees spam. What else should they do to make you think their goal is not only spam but promotion - because that's what this campaign is for, right?!

Don't be naive. They reduced the number of posts to spend less not to control spam. They also only hired someone as their manager because otherwise they would have been banned again from the forum.

Why do you think they always take so long to refill their payment balance? Or why people on their forum keep complaining that they are receiving less than they should? They want the cheapest way of promoting their forum, so they can shill their scam products to people.

[efialtis]

Sorry, but I notice a inconsistency in your statement. From my point of view, Cryptotalk/Yobit is doing everything to avoid problems. They did everything what is needed. They reduced the number of posts from 20 to 5 per day, they employed a person who oversees spam. What else should they do to make you think their goal is not only spam but promotion - because that's what this campaign is for, right?!

Don't be naive. They reduced the number of posts to spend less not to control spam. They also only hired someone as their manager because otherwise they would have been banned again from the forum.

Why do you think they always take so long to refill their payment balance? Or why people on their forum keep complaining that they are receiving less than they should? They want the cheapest way of promoting their forum, so they can shill their scam products to people.

Yeah, I absolutely agree with what you are saying. The funny thing is - even with their 1000 sats/post "promo" on cryptotalk they are paying more than many of our btc campaigns here. I have just had a closer look and what you guys mentioned before is so true - you really have a VERY hard time finding even one thread with something that could be called real conversation - I have never seen something like that before.   While I have read many posts are being reported/deleted so they dont have to pay, I am not sure what their criteria is because... man, even now that forum is full of bs!  

Edit: By "more" I mean if anyone manages to make the max paid post count of 30 per day. 

[pawanjain]

It's quite obvious to see people facing issues in that forum the reason the number of spam posts people posting there.
What's the use of posts which doesn't convey a message or spread awareness or have any meaning.
Even if there are useful posts, it's probably posted in this forum already.
I don't see any potential use of that forum which might be the reason why they increased the posts count to 100 from 50 knowing people are posting shit.
No wonder why there are so many issues there.

[Welsh]

Don't be naive. They reduced the number of posts to spend less not to control spam. They also only hired someone as their manager because otherwise they would have been banned again from the forum.

Why do you think they always take so long to refill their payment balance? Or why people on their forum keep complaining that they are receiving less than they should? They want the cheapest way of promoting their forum, so they can shill their scam products to people.

They were smart. They came to the forum with a huge promise of money, and got hundreds of users to sign up, and start wearing that signature. That resulted in most of the forum knowing what Cryptotalk was, and who was behind it. Yobit naturally came up whether it was controversy or those talking about the exchange through learning about it because many pointed out that the campaign was being run by Yobit. Their marketing team knew that controversy would occur, and their payment model of going big at first, and then stepping it down quickly would be the perfect way to get their name out there. They hired a reputable manager which meant it looked like they were trying to avoid spam this time, but when you have 600 participant in the same campaign, and over 400 banned by Yahoo that obviously isn't the best approach. The better approach would be allowing Yahoo full control of who can join the campaign. However, its probably more suitable for them to just end the campaign or limit the number of participants, and start again the future with a similar advertisement campaign.