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December 02, 2019, 12:47:13 PM
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It's working but as for me, it's more important if we'll do it ourselves. Trading needs technicality and knowledge so it's hard to rely on trading bots. It's only advisable for those who don't have enough time to do trading. We are always advised to learn and do our own research so we will be able to do trading on our own. If we could spend time in monitoring our earnings, it would be better if we do actual trading.

 
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December 02, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
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How do you get your trading bot to work? If they do, why isn't everyone beating the market?
^ Trading bot works itself but it needs humans to set the bot work properly. So, the bot will work through traders(us), if we don't know how it works properly, the trading bot is nothing. This algorithm will help you when it comes to buying points at the same selling point if you have mystically set by your own technical analysis the bot will execute wrong actions too in trading. Nevertheless, trading bot it's very helpful and fully functional.

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December 02, 2019, 04:18:52 PM
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It does, but it's not everything. They're great for managing everyday transactions that you would normally require manual input from users, but trading still requires the personal management of the traders themselves to ensure that they follow a set of schedules they have implemented for themselves, and not leave everything to the bot to do. Bots make lives easier but doesn't make trading easier.

I'd say it depends.  Trading bots can do stuffs... From setting stop losses to automatically creating trailing stop orders, let's say, A token/coin is on the uptrend and you're unable to keep track as it involves enabling and disabling stop loss orders. Those (activating + deactivating) are repetitive tasks and can be automated. That's when bots come in. Where most people get it wrong is that they think bots are the ultimate tools to make $1M per day. Like computers, bot are unable to make decisions except for the predefined conditionals – If this then that.

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December 02, 2019, 04:23:30 PM
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These days its very difficult making a profit with algo or trading bots. The trading bots in general usually only work during certain market conditions. For example, there might be a profitable bot which only works during trending markets such as the strong bull market of 2017 or the bear market of 2018. Then there are other bots which only work best for ranging markets which is what happened most of 2019.

The algo bots usually you need to design yourself, you can't usually buy them. If you got a badly programmed algo bot you need to be careful because there are spoof orders on many exchanges because they know that bots look for certain conditions such as below some moving average and if a large >$5 million order pops up they might automatically sell and these usually end up trapping the bots.

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December 02, 2019, 04:46:58 PM
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It's working but as for me, it's more important if we'll do it ourselves. Trading needs technicality and knowledge so it's hard to rely on trading bots. It's only advisable for those who don't have enough time to do trading. We are always advised to learn and do our own research so we will be able to do trading on our own. If we could spend time in monitoring our earnings, it would be better if we do actual trading.
I am sure you have the wrong assumption, all the bots do is to make your work easier, all the inputs are done by you and it will automate every buy and sell order according to the market situation, the main thing is that you need to be careful when using the bot as you need to trust the creator if not they will have the key to your coins, so my advice to everyone is to be careful when selecting one or you need to create your own which is the safest.

 
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December 02, 2019, 05:30:58 PM
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It's working but as for me, it's more important if we'll do it ourselves. Trading needs technicality and knowledge so it's hard to rely on trading bots. It's only advisable for those who don't have enough time to do trading. We are always advised to learn and do our own research so we will be able to do trading on our own. If we could spend time in monitoring our earnings, it would be better if we do actual trading.
I am sure you have the wrong assumption, all the bots do is to make your work easier, all the inputs are done by you and it will automate every buy and sell order according to the market situation, the main thing is that you need to be careful when using the bot as you need to trust the creator if not they will have the key to your coins, so my advice to everyone is to be careful when selecting one or you need to create your own which is the safest.
Well, you are right there, the trading bot is just like to make our task easier not just they work on their own just for us as traders. It is really good if you have a bot when you are at the trading because even while you are sleeping the bot will work just for you. Indeed, this does not give any assurance that you will make a good profit, it still depends upon how you command the bot correctly.

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December 02, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
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Almost all the existing bots only help us automate our trading strategies and processes so far. I saw a few statements here that AI-powered bots don't exist and can't trade on their own. And if someone tries to sell them, that's a scam.

I beg to differ and explain why.

There are 2 main components in each automated trading system: entry/exit algorithm and risk/money-management. If you have win/loss ratio slightly more than 50% and you have a good risk-management at place, your system will be profitable. But with poor-thought-out risk-management your system could have negative results in the long run even if you have good win/loss ratio.

Thus, we decided to run an experiment and created an open service where we and our users can create their own algorithms using our Neural Network module specifically designed for trading needs. Each NN-based algo created by user (you just run learning process and wait) is custom and gets its own entry/exit parameters. Then you put a bot on it and it starts trading automatically.

That's the first part of the equation. The second one is risk-management. And here comes the main thing.

We decided to take completely different approach and introduced "Bot Targets" which are as follows:
- "realized profit" which your bot reaches and stops trading. It could be 5-10 or 20 trades. You never know.
- "realized loss" - max loss you can afford trading with this bot. It'll also stop trading when loss limit is hit. So, it's a bot overall loss trading limit (and not a limit for a given trade!)

Think of it this way: you are a commander and your bots are your soldiers. You have to manage them and set them goals. But not micro-manage..

How your "soldier" (your neural net bot) will reach the goal is up to him. Your responsibility is to train them (run a learning process), set goals and discard....and "recruit" new ones. It's an ongoing process.


P.S. if you want you can give it a try at https://bipoon.com
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December 02, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
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Trading bots do what you tell them to do, so in that sense yes they work. Whether your trading strategy works or not, that's a whole other story. The bot is only as good as your strategy you've given it.
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December 03, 2019, 03:22:01 AM
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It's working but as for me, it's more important if we'll do it ourselves. Trading needs technicality and knowledge so it's hard to rely on trading bots. It's only advisable for those who don't have enough time to do trading. We are always advised to learn and do our own research so we will be able to do trading on our own. If we could spend time in monitoring our earnings, it would be better if we do actual trading.
I am sure you have the wrong assumption, all the bots do is to make your work easier, all the inputs are done by you and it will automate every buy and sell order according to the market situation, the main thing is that you need to be careful when using the bot as you need to trust the creator if not they will have the key to your coins, so my advice to everyone is to be careful when selecting one or you need to create your own which is the safest.
Well, you are right there, the trading bot is just like to make our task easier not just they work on their own just for us as traders. It is really good if you have a bot when you are at the trading because even while you are sleeping the bot will work just for you. Indeed, this does not give any assurance that you will make a good profit, it still depends upon how you command the bot correctly.
The profitability depends on how it is being program and it is a good way for traders to diversify their time and create a bot that can work passively for them. You are right that there is no assurance that the bot will become profitable consistently because the market is very unpredictable and we should somehow adjust the bot based on the changes in the market.

 
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The profitability depends on how it is being program and it is a good way for traders to diversify their time and create a bot that can work passively for them. You are right that there is no assurance that the bot will become profitable consistently because the market is very unpredictable and we should somehow adjust the bot based on the changes in the market.

Still at the end of the day this is not a good way to earn in trading, so for me it's just a waste of time, this should be just for guidelines and for easy to check, but don't use it as your source in trading, still technical analysis is good and learning continuously in trading will be your great weapon in your every battle, experience will be your great friend.

 
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December 03, 2019, 05:04:09 AM
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How do you get your trading bot to work? If they do, why isn't everyone beating the market?
The trading bot also works really well if the coders can understand how the market operates and how the com bot can be extremely smart. Most people now invest in trading bots as many because bots always follow the same discipline as the programmer wrote. and of course the win rate is higher than normal and its capital management skills are too good. those advantages have made bots more elite and made more money for people in this financial market.

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I think the bots are working okay, but the problem is we need to set the bot with the right so it will run with our command. But unfortunately, not all bots can automatically change the strategy to the current market because we still need to check on how the bots running, so if the market has turned around, we can set it again. By using the bots, you can have more time to watch the market moves, but you cannot get more skills in trading because you don't practice what you see in the market, and besides that, you use the bots to trade. I prefer to use manual trading than using the bots because I can get more experience in trading that will help me in the analysis so I can improve my skills in the future.

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The profitability depends on how it is being program and it is a good way for traders to diversify their time and create a bot that can work passively for them. You are right that there is no assurance that the bot will become profitable consistently because the market is very unpredictable and we should somehow adjust the bot based on the changes in the market.

Still at the end of the day this is not a good way to earn in trading, so for me it's just a waste of time, this should be just for guidelines and for easy to check, but don't use it as your source in trading, still technical analysis is good and learning continuously in trading will be your great weapon in your every battle, experience will be your great friend.
Not necessarily applicable anytime. Somehow trading bots have pros and cons and I do believe that its developers aren't stopping to make it better until everyone appreciate and use it for their trades. Trading with bots aren't that thing we should underestimate because using it requires a knowledgable trader too. It's not a help that can be used by anyone regardless of their knowledge in trading.


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December 03, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
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Depends on your definition of "Work"
Of course they "Work" like a bot is supposed to work. Like any other computer program it will run and give results. If your sole objective is to make profit then know this that the market is not made to give you profit every time you trade. That would have made you a millionaire within a few days and other traders would become beggars. Cheesy

Nope, a bot does not give you "automatic profit"<< the term itself is hilarious at the idiocy given to it. It will automate your trades in the most risk free way but there is no guarantee of profit.

If someone tell you of a guaranteed profit bot - be cautious they are trying to scam you.

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I almost ask this same question before I found this threat and from the response from people so far, I don't really think there is any need for me to still go ahead to purchase the said bots at a higher price.

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Trading with trading bots has no differences from gambling. Yes, you are just replying on your luck to generate profits. Because, you are not making use of your skill-set and  experiences but simply believing into some other's coding, which is very much similar to play dicing in automated mode. On both the cases, you are simply relying on others' code.

You may choose a bot after long analysis still there will be no assurances for a code to react in profitable manner under ever-changing market conditions. Manual trading is flexible to withstand against all types of trading whereas bot trading cannot. So, chances for wiping out all your trading capital is always high.




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December 03, 2019, 02:07:39 PM
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It is the user behind the bot that beats the market OP.  ; )

which is very much similar to play dicing in automated mode. On both the cases, you are simply relying on others' code.
It isnt that straightforward, you are relying on the code to do what it is intended to do with the variations you give it.

Manual trading is flexible to withstand against all types of trading whereas bot trading cannot.
Depends how flexible the bot is and the user want it to be.

So, chances for wiping out all your trading capital is always high.
It can be as simple as cut the bot its budget. 
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Trading bots is an automated system of trading, programmed in such a way that it navigates the market to make profits. Trading Bots actually works on the condition(s) to which it was built. Regardless, it is not 100 per cent guaranty to make profitable trades in most cases, as there are certain market conditions that can alter the way to which the bot was programmed.

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Yes, you can trade with a trading bot. But trading bots aren't always for use. It usually has some common trading functions. Such trading is done on a daily basis. However, trading should not be done depending on the trading bot. Because it's so risky. A major loss can happen at any time. Trading bots have been created to help people in trading. To be completely dependent on it would be a mistake.

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Trading bots is an automated system of trading, programmed in such a way that it navigates the market to make profits. Trading Bots actually works on the condition(s) to which it was built. Regardless, it is not 100 per cent guaranty to make profitable trades in most cases, as there are certain market conditions that can alter the way to which the bot was programmed.
Of course, bots trading cannot guarantee all profits in all cases because it is only programmed for certain calculations and cases, this can be upgraded but this market has too many unexpected changes, bots still can't be perfect for all. And except for these small flaws, many people have probably seen someone say that bots trading is unreliable, that's enough for us to understand that bots trading has a lot of problems, and why we need to use it when we can do everything well, control the situation.

 
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