History of local boards

[tranthidung]

From this: Bitcointalk's historical important changes, then coupable discussed and asked for a new section for information on local boards as important changes of the bitcointalk.org forum. It is what I am not going to.

Personally, I have some reasons to reject a new section in that thread. Local boards are important components of the forum, obviously, but each local boards have different level of importance in the forum. Summarise all of local boards as one of important changes of the forum is likely irrelevant.

Today, I created the thread, in which I will give you some details on the history of all local boards. It is acceptable if I make mistakes in details or miss some local boards. You are definitely have more understandings on you local boards. If you find any of such mistakes or missed local boards, please help me. I appreciated all of your contributions to improve the thread.

I ranked the status of each local board based on their ranks presented here


Notes:

• Birthday: by default, it is the date on which the first post of each local board published.
• Request on local moderator(s) from theymos: Like that one, see. If you know such requests from theymos in your boards, please let me know.
• A. birthday (Adjusted birthday): recommended by knowledgeable members of each local boards and can be shortly before or after default birthday. It is the day on which locals asked for creation of their local boards. Click on each adjusted birthday to see more details.

It is your favorite local board, not mine, so if you know something interesting, please let me know.


Main languages

Name	Id	Link	Birthday	A. birthday	Moderator(s)	Status
________________________________	_____	_______	_____________	_____________	_______________________	__________________
Pyccкий (Russian)	10	Link	28/7/2010	No	xandry, Xal0lex	Extremely active
Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)	191	Link	21/8/2014	No	dbshck, sapta	Very active
Türkçe (Turkish)	133	Link	01/6/2013	No	EFS	Very active
中文 (Chinese)	30	Link	11/6/2011	No	Barcode_	Very active
Pilipinas	219	Link	03/02/2016	14/01/2016 *	Mr. Big	Very active
Deutsch (German)	16	Link	09/10/2010	No	mole0515	Very active
Nigeria (Naija)	16	Link	Not sure when	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Very active
Italiano (Italian)	28	Link	25/5/2011	No	HostFat	Active
Français	13	Link	01/02/2011 *	No	Halab	Active
Español (Spanish)	27	Link	24/9/2010	19/5/2011	franckuestein	Active
日本語 (Japanese)	252	Link	22/11/2017	No	Anon11073	Active
Português (Portuguese)	29	Link	27/5/2011	No	Adriano	Active
العربية (Arabic)	241	Link	01/5/2017	09/10/2017	OmegaStarScream	Active
India	89	Link	07/9/2012	11/9/2012	No	Active
Hrvatski (Croatian)	201	Link	31/12/2014	No	No	Less active
Română (Romanian)	108	Link	13/01/2013	No	Cyrus	Less active
Eλληνικά (Greek)	120	Link	30/5/2013	No	mitzie	Less active
Nederlands (Dutch)	79	Link	28/6/2011	09/6/2012 *	No	Less active
Polski	142	Link	20/5/2013	29/06/2013 *	malevolent	Less active
한국어 (Korean)	82	Link	29/8/2012	No	No	Inactive
Skandinavisk	45	Link	13/01/2011	09/4/2011 *	No	Inactive
עברית (Hebrew)	95	Link	20/01/2013	No	No	Inactive

Other languages (all moderated by @Cyrus)

All of them are Inactive. See details here

Name	Topic #	Link	Birthday	A. birthday	Moderator(s)	Status
________________________________	__________	_______	_____________	_____________	_______________________	__________________
Bangladesh (Bengali)	631891	Link	30/5/2014	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Active
Uzbekistan (Uzbekiston)	1992326	Link	29/6/2017	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Azerbaijan	270929	Link	09/8/2013	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Հայերեն (Armenian)	1972798	Link	18/6/2017	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Việt (Vietnamese)	60101	Link	18/1/2012	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Esperanto	1568	Link	25/10/2010	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Lietuviai (Lithuanian)	24339	Link	29/6/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Eesti (Estonian)	23048	Link	27/6/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Česky (Czech)	33050	Link	30/7/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Canada	183337	Link	22/4/2013	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Singapore	214887	Link	24/5/2013	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Sri Lanka	2106234	Link	30/8/2017	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
ქართული (Georgian)	679928	Link	06/7/2014	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Slovenija (Slovenia)	23321	Link	27/6/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Latvija (Latvia)	957954	Link	16/02/2015	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Malaysia	85430	Link	04/6/2012	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Suomi (Finnish)	7319	Link	05/5/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
فارسی (Persian)	620798	Link	22/5/2014	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Укpaїнcькa (Ukrainian)	236982	Link	18/6/2013	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Cpпcки (Serbian)	51450	Link	10/11/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
ภาษาไทย (Thai)	567738	Link	12/4/2014	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Magyar (Hungarian)	20301	Link	21/6/2011	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive
Бългapcки (Bulgarian)	56593	Link	04/01/2012	No	Cyrus, Xal0lex	Inactive

• * Locked at November 08, 2017, 08:52:25 AM
• *: Initially, I chose 150 as a threshold, but because the figure of German is a little bit less than 150, I adjusted the threshold a bit.
• *: need more confirmations, so please help if you know it.
  

Rank criteria:
For now, only based on npost_daily = total posts / total days (from birthday to today)

________________________________	______________________
Status	Criteria (on npost_daily)
________________________________	______________________
Extremely active	>= 600
Very active	>= 140
Active	>= 25 - < 140 *
Less active	>= 5 - < 25
Inactive	<5
________________________________	______________________

Read more:

• Merit distributions over boards
• Time series plots of daily merits over boards

[tranthidung]

For local boards in the main languages section

I made new variables for the rates of new posts (npost_daily) and new topics (ntopic_daily) per day for each local boards. Then sorting them out descendingly for each variable. I allocated local boards corressponding ranks (rankpost - according to descending orders of npost_daily; and ranktopic - according to descending orders of ntopic_daily).

Total days in between the birthdays of local boards and today calculated.

In the below list, I sorted all local boards out descendingly, according to rankpost that calculated from npost_daily.

Based on the criteria, the top 5 active local boards are:

• Russian: 1505 posts/day
• Indonesian: 545 posts/day
• Turkish: 376 posts/day
• Chinese: 213 posts/day
• Pilipinas: 174 posts/day

There are two sets of criteria but I would like to choose the rankpost. There is no reasons for now to combine two criteria sets.

Details:

Code:

. list rankpost ranktopic boardname npost_daily ntopics_daily npost ntopics daysbetween birthday today, abb(30)

     +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     | rankpost   ranktopic      boardname   npost_daily   ntopics_daily     npost   ntopics   daysbetween    birthday       today |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |        1           1        Russian        1356.2            36.3   4626017    123808          3411   28jul2010   29nov2019 |
  2. |        2           5     Indonesian           545             6.5   1049600     12574          1926   21aug2014   29nov2019 |
  3. |        3           3        Turkish         375.2              16    889951     38038          2372   01jun2013   29nov2019 |
  4. |        4           2        Chinese         212.9            28.9    658643     89330          3093   11jun2011   29nov2019 |
  5. |        5           6      Pilipinas         173.4             5.5    241878      7642          1395   03feb2016   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        6           4         German         145.4             7.8    485286     26060          3338   09oct2010   29nov2019 |
  7. |        7           7        Italian          85.4             5.2    265617     16159          3110   25may2011   29nov2019 |
  8. |        8          10       Francais          70.6             3.9    227468     12467          3223   01feb2011   29nov2019 |
  9. |        9           8        Spanish          60.1               5    201603     16840          3353   24sep2010   29nov2019 |
 10. |       10          15       Japanese          54.2             1.5     39924      1115           737   22nov2017   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       11          11     Portuguese          43.1             3.4    133939     10522          3108   27may2011   29nov2019 |
 12. |       12           9         Arabic          35.6             4.4     33540      4169           942   01may2017   29nov2019 |
 13. |       13          12          India          27.7             3.4     73041      9100          2639   07sep2012   29nov2019 |
 14. |       14          19        Crotian          22.8               1     40862      1751          1794   31dec2014   29nov2019 |
 15. |       15          13       Romanian          17.6               2     44246      5061          2511   13jan2013   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |       16          17          Greek          16.5             1.2     39172      2892          2374   30may2013   29nov2019 |
 17. |       17          14          Dutch          15.4             1.6     47371      5057          3076   28jun2011   29nov2019 |
 18. |       18          18         Polski          12.5             1.1     29689      2507          2384   20may2013   29nov2019 |
 19. |       19          16         Korean             6             1.3     15932      3528          2648   29aug2012   29nov2019 |
 20. |       20          20   Skandianvisk           2.5              .4      8225      1407          3242   13jan2011   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |       21          21         Hebrew             1              .3      2474       702          2504   20jan2013   29nov2019 |
     +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Ranks in total posts per day (ntopics_daily):

Code:

. list ranktopic boardname ntopics_daily, abb(30)

     +------------------------------------------+
     | ranktopic      boardname   ntopics_daily |
     |------------------------------------------|
  1. |         1        Russian            36.3 |
  2. |         2        Chinese            28.9 |
  3. |         3        Turkish              16 |
  4. |         4         German             7.8 |
  5. |         5     Indonesian             6.5 |
     |------------------------------------------|
  6. |         6      Pilipinas             5.5 |
  7. |         7        Italian             5.2 |
  8. |         8        Spanish               5 |
  9. |         9         Arabic             4.4 |
 10. |        10       Francais             3.9 |
     |------------------------------------------|
 11. |        12          India             3.4 |
 12. |        11     Portuguese             3.4 |
 13. |        13       Romanian               2 |
 14. |        14          Dutch             1.6 |
 15. |        15       Japanese             1.5 |
     |------------------------------------------|
 16. |        16         Korean             1.3 |
 17. |        17          Greek             1.2 |
 18. |        18         Polski             1.1 |
 19. |        19        Crotian               1 |
 20. |        20   Skandianvisk              .4 |
     |------------------------------------------|
 21. |        21         Hebrew              .3 |
     +------------------------------------------+

[kawetsriyanto]

Great post, mate. This post is like the current data (information) of all local boards on bitcointalk. And I am glad to see my local board become one of the top ones based on the number of "npost" / the most active local boards. Anyway, I don't see how many members are involved in each local board. It will be interesting to know if you can add the information.

I am surprised to know that there are some local boards having no moderators. How to handle spam posts there? Report to........?

[tranthidung]

Update for other languages:

From the results, I updated status for all of them as Inactive.

* Vietnamese: locked at 08nov2017. Stats for Vietnamese ended at that day, not today.

Code:

. list rankpost boardname npost_daily npost daysbetween birthday today, abb(30)

     +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     | rankpost    boardname   npost_daily   npost   daysbetween    birthday       today |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |        1   vietnamese           3.9    8250          2090   18feb2012   08nov2017 |
  2. |        2    ukrainian           2.3    5416          2355   18jun2013   29nov2019 |
  3. |        3   bangladesh           2.1    4276          2009   30may2014   29nov2019 |
  4. |        4     srilanka           1.7    1433           831   20aug2017   29nov2019 |
  5. |        5      serbian           1.5    4275          2941   10nov2011   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        6    hungarian            .6    1911          3083   21jun2011   29nov2019 |
  7. |        7        czech            .5    1418          3044   30jul2011   29nov2019 |
  8. |        8     malaysia            .5    1472          2734   04jun2012   29nov2019 |
  9. |        9    singapore            .4     922          2380   24may2013   29nov2019 |
 10. |       10     slovenia            .4    1217          3077   27jun2011   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       11         thai            .4     815          2057   12apr2014   29nov2019 |
 12. |       12      persian            .3     537          2017   22may2014   29nov2019 |
 13. |       13       latvia            .2     404          1747   16feb2015   29nov2019 |
 14. |       14     georgian            .2     411          1972   06jul2014   29nov2019 |
 15. |       15    bulgarian            .2     568          2886   04jan2012   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |       16    esperanto            .1     172          3322   25oct2010   29nov2019 |
 17. |       17   lithuanian            .1     394          3075   29jun2011   29nov2019 |
 18. |       18       canada            .1     140          2412   22apr2013   29nov2019 |
 19. |       19   uzbekistan             0      23           883   29jun2017   29nov2019 |
 20. |       20   azerbaijan             0       4          2303   09aug2013   29nov2019 |
     |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |       21      finnish             0     138          3130   05may2011   29nov2019 |
 22. |       22     estonian             0     124          3077   27jun2011   29nov2019 |
 23. |       23     armenian             0      25           894   18jun2017   29nov2019 |
     +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

[tranthidung]

Anyway, I don't see how many members are involved in each local board. It will be interesting to know if you can add the information.

I can't, I am sorry.

I am surprised to know that there are some local boards having no moderators. How to handle spam posts there? Report to........?

AFAIK, some moderators or global moderators handle some boards, simultaneously.

[DdmrDdmr]

Local boards are an area of potential great growth. My local board, Spanish, is clearly underused in relation to the world population that speaks the language, and currently shows a great gap between current posting activity, and potential posting activity. There are other factors to weigh-in such as wealth, culture, technological settlement, and so forth, but the gap is pretty wide, and I do hope it eventually boosts (maybe SEO can help).
 
Just a additions to the data reflected in the OP:

- The Birthday of the Local Boards I think are, in some instances, that of a prior Language Thread. For example, the Spanish Local board figures as the oldest, born on the 24/09/2010, but it was really constituted as a local board on the 19/05/2011 (see Please create a Local/Castellano (Spanish) forum). This is just a technicality that I found to be true for my local board, albeit an important one for the board itself.

- Dealing with averages has it’s particularities. The longer the period of time, the more data points we flatten out into a single value, losing some perspective as to evolution of the values. Dealing with posts count numbers is a bit of a p.i.t.a., and at some point, I decided to follow these values for local board (not local threads) on a monthly basis, in order to get a better reading of post count evolution, and specially on it’s distribution over main+first level childboards (i.e. in order to separate Altcoin stuff from the rest).

For example, the Russian local board is currently generating just over 20k posts per month:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/W5QB867G7?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

The Russian postcount, for example, differs from the overall average quite a bit (just under 700 new net(*) posts per day last month vs 1504 all time average). Altcoin now represents there around 7,88% of newly created posts, whilst on January 2018 it was 46,76%. It’s interesting to play around with the data (alas, manually retrieved each month), and retrieve information in the process.

(*) Net: created - deleted - moved

[SFR10]

- The Birthday of the Local Boards I think are, in some instances, that of a prior Language Thread. For example, the Spanish Local board figures as the oldest, born on the 24/09/2010, but it was really constituted as a local board on the 19/05/2011 (see Please create a Local/Castellano (Spanish) forum). This is just a technicality that I found to be true for my local board, albeit an important one for the board itself.

Same goes for Philippines local board ^{[most likely that's the case with other local boards as well]}: Can the Philippines PLEASE get their own sub-section? ^[14/01/2016]

Name	Id	Link	Birthday	Moderator(s)	Status
________________________________	_____	_______	_____________	_______________________	__________________
Français	13	Link	Need help	Halab	Updating

Based on the published dates, this is the very first thread on that board ^{[it doesn't represent its birthday]}: 17/01/2011
- Perhaps it's best to just add a note in front of those boards with no clear birthdays...

[tranthidung]

- The Birthday of the Local Boards I think are, in some instances, that of a prior Language Thread. For example, the Spanish Local board figures as the oldest, born on the 24/09/2010, but it was really constituted as a local board on the 19/05/2011 (see Please create a Local/Castellano (Spanish) forum). This is just a technicality that I found to be true for my local board, albeit an important one for the board itself.

I forgot to add some more notes, in particular the pre-history of the first post in your local board (Spanish).
I left some notes previously but now it is time to edit OP with more notes to make it more understandable, and easily get more helps.

It is acceptable if I make mistakes in details or miss some local boards. You are definitely have more understandings on you local boards. If you find any of such mistakes or missed local boards, please help me. I appreciated all of your contributions to improve the thread.

- Dealing with averages has it’s particularities. The longer the period of time, the more data points we flatten out into a single value, losing some perspective as to evolution of the values. Dealing with posts count numbers is a bit of a p.i.t.a., and at some point, I decided to follow these values for local board (not local threads) on a monthly basis

I know but for such a cross-sectional data (like the thread in initial version), the averages are all I can do for now. 

It’s interesting to play around with the data (alas, manually retrieved each month), and retrieve information in the process.

I agreed and I am going to observe and publish more data on monthly basis.

Based on the published dates, this is the very first thread on that board ^{[it doesn't represent its birthday]}: 17/01/2011

Thanks. For the birthday of the Français local board, I am going to wait for @Halab.

- Perhaps it's best to just add a note in front of those boards with no clear birthdays...

Added more notes.

[Halab]

Thanks. For the birthday of the Français local board, I am going to wait for @Halab.

I am not the official historian of the french section . I'm far from knowing everything, but I did a little research and I didn't find a topic asking for the creation of the french sub-section.

But in the Staff section, I found a message, from June 2011, from the french mod at this time asking for new sections to be added.
So the anniversary date of the creation of the french section is somewhere in the first half of the year 2011.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

I would like to shed some light on the early days of the history of Indian local board.

For quite some time from 2010, there was somewhat moderate activity of Indians in this forum. But since they didn't have a forum, they were discussing about the Indian bitcoin stuffs in Bitcoin Discussion and the transactions of Indian Rupee to Bitcoin took place in Marketplace section. knight22 was the first user to request for a separate local board dedicated to India in Meta.  Some literally very old satoshi timers hailing from India (diswara) supported the idea and was taken into theymos attention.

knight22 requesting for a separate local board dedicated to India :

I have noticed that a lot of people from India are trying to get closer relations. Maybe it is the good time to create a new sub forum in the local bord for India people?

diswara supported the idea :

I am from Tamilnadu, India & I encourage to have a sub forum.
The reason for not much coordination on Bitcoin awareness is due to different language people living in different part of India.

The uniqueness of India "Unity in diversity", some what restricts coordination due to different languages.
So, it will take some time.  

theymos created a new local board for India :

OK, added.

This was how the local board was created. For over 6 months the board didn't have a dedicated moderator, then Benson Samuel PMd theymos to make him the moderator at somewhere around March 2013. Then theymos replied Benson for how people of India are reacting to his moderator position.

Hello All,

I had written to theymos to grant me access as the moderator for the India forum.

It could use a lot of organizing and mild moderation.

He has requested me to post this and request India forum members for their opinion if everyone is alright with me as the moderator.

Looking forward to some responses and suggestions.

And then finally at March 20,2013 Benson was made the moderator for Indian local board. Till the coinsecure hack he was the sole moderator and was removed from the position at April 2019. This is how the Indian local board was created and Benson was made the moderator.

EDIT : September 11,2012 marks the birth of Indian local board. A really good and unique topic. 

[Rikafip]

How come you marked Japanese section as "Active" , while they have very little activity in last year?

Croatian, Polish, Greek, Dutch and even Romanian have been more active than Japanese  in 2019 and they are marked as "less active".  Even Korean, that is marked as "inactive" has been more active lately than Japanese section.

[SpaceSuite]

@OP Fantastic thread you have created.

Under Other languages/locations, you seem to have missed to add বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.0.

[tranthidung]

Under Other languages/locations, you seem to have missed to add বাংলাদেশ (Bangladesh) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.0.

Thanks. I missed it.

How come you marked Japanese section as "Active" , while they have very little activity in last year?

Croatian, Polish, Greek, Dutch and even Romanian have been more active than Japanese  in 2019 and they are marked as "less active".  Even Korean, that is marked as "inactive" has been more active lately than Japanese section.

The ranks are based on average daily posts within the whole period since birthday of each board. Yeah, it incorrectly reflects the level of activity of each board but for now, I stick with it. With that indicator, npost_daily, the Japanese board has higher rank.
Please see the Rank criteria in OP.

Over time, each month passes, I will have more data and I will consider to add more indicators, such as total posts and average daily posts within last 120-days period.

[malevolent]

How come you marked Japanese section as "Active" , while they have very little activity in last year?

Croatian, Polish, Greek, Dutch and even Romanian have been more active than Japanese  in 2019 and they are marked as "less active".  Even Korean, that is marked as "inactive" has been more active lately than Japanese section.

He took average posts per day made in each section since their creation (and without accounting for previously existing language threads which were later moved to the newly created sections, but that is a minor detail) to sort the local boards.

[Veleor]

The actual date of birthday of the Russian local is July 28, 2010

It's interesting that so many Russians have shown interest in the project. Thinking about the Russian culture and society, I'm not completely surprised why. I'll make a new board, let's see how many non-English-speaking users we'll get.

The first topic in the Russian local.

[rosezionjohn]

Name	Id	Link	Birthday	A. birthday	Moderator(s)	Status
________________________________	_____	_______	_____________	_____________	_______________________	__________________
Pilipinas	219	Link	03/02/2016	No	Mr. Big	Very active

I believe this is the first official post for the Pilipinas board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1348399.msg13738811#msg13738811

[khaled0111]

Great job tranthidung. Your topic motivated me to visit some local boards to know what's going on there and what are the main subjects that are being discussed on each one of them.

Regarding the Arabic local board, please update the creation date to the 9th of October 2017:

Created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=241.0

Glad to see my local board tagged as Active.

[JeromeTash]

Nice topic OP. It helps one keep truck of their local board of interest and also know when it was created. Couldn't afford 5+ sMerits as that was the last sMerit i had. Maybe i will come back some day when i get more  

As observed Europe and Asian Languages are dominating the local board section (it's good because it helps natives feel at home in the forum and discuss freely) but it makes me wonder what is happening to our brothers and Sisters in Africa. It's one of the continents known to have hundreds of local languages yet i barely know anyone in this forum who is from there. Could they have just abandoned using their local languages in the forum for English, French, German?
Or are they not just interest in discussing crypto?

[malevolent]

As observed Europe and Asian Languages are dominating the local board section (it's good because it helps natives feel at home in the forum and discuss freely) but it makes me wonder what is happening to our brothers and Sisters in Africa. It's one of the continents known to have hundreds of local languages yet i barely know anyone in this forum who is from there. Could they have just abandoned using their local languages in the forum for English, French, German?
Or are they not just interest in discussing crypto?

English and French are the lingua franca of many African countries, they're here, usually posting in English. Sometimes you can recognize them by their signature if they want to announce themselves.

[hosseinimr93]

Regarding the Arabic local board, please update the creation date to the 9th of October 2017:

Created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=241.0

The date of Arabic Local board in the OP is May 01, 2017 which is before the date of this post by Theymos. It is clear that the correct creation date of Arabic board is October 9, 2017.
The Arabic thread link which is posted in the OP, had been likely posted in a Non-Arabic board and moved to the Arabic board after it was created.
There might be some other errors in the OP due to moved topics.