Hitler's War Crimes vs. Those of Churchill & the Americans

[BADecker]

So, read the article. Then come back and let us know what you think reality is.


Hitler's War Crimes vs. Those of Churchill & the Americans

The reality is that the Nazi's were one of the most terrifying ideologies to emerge in the 20th centuries and we are very fortunate they did not emerge victorious in WWII as could easily have occurred had events not played out in just the right way to ensure they were crushed in a few short years. Their ideology much worse then Communism because communism self-implodes after a few decades. Its too far detached from reality. The Nazi evil is much more practical and thus functional and efficient.

There is no reason to doubt the mass extermination efforts against those deemed undesirable to the Nazis. It was not just the Jews who suffered but anyone deemed inferior. The Nazi ideology held that the Aryan race was ethnically superior to all and therefore it was permissible to rule via conquest and certainly desirable to exterminate a lessor races if it was needed to make room for their "betters". Nazism was a rejection of all Christian ethics in favor of a Darwinian worldview of survival of the fittest.

You don't have to limit your analysis to the Jews to understand the issue. Looking at how the Germans treated their Russian prisoners is just as instructive. The Germans captured nearly 4 million soviet prisoners of war during the first year of their 1941 surprise offensive. Very few of those four million Russians would survive.  

Nazi Persecution of Soviet Prisoners of War
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-persecution-of-soviet-prisoners-of-war

The brutal treatment of Soviet POWs by the Germans violated every standard of warfare. Existing sources suggest that some 5.7 million Soviet army personnel fell into German hands during World War II. As of January 1945, the German army reported that only about 930,000 Soviet POWs remained in German custody. The German army released about one million Soviet POWs as auxiliaries of the German army and the SS. About half a million Soviet POWs had escaped German custody or had been liberated by the Soviet army as it advanced westward through eastern Europe into Germany. The remaining 3.3 million, or about 57 percent of those taken prisoner, were dead by the end of the war.

This death toll was neither an accident nor an automatic result of the war. It was a deliberate policy of the Nazi state. German treatment of Soviet POWs differed dramatically from German policy towards POWs from Britain and the United States, countries the Nazis regarded as racial equals to the Germans. Of the 231,000 British and American prisoners held by the Germans during the war only about 8,300—3.6 percent—died in German custody.

The question isn't that war is brutal, and some warriors are more brutal than others. The question is what really happened. Winners write the history they want, no matter what the truth is.

I wasn't there. I'd guess you weren't, either. Which historians are writing the truth?

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The question isn't that war is brutal, and some warriors are more brutal than others. The question is what really happened. Winners write the history they want, no matter what the truth is.

I wasn't there. I'd guess you weren't, either. Which historians are writing the truth?

The historical revisions that don’t come out until all of the eye witnesses are mostly dead are the ones to question. There is no reason to doubt the Nazi war crimes. Those crimes were indeed logical necessities if you embrace the Nazi ideology. Everyone in WWII was brutal but there was a distinct difference in their brutality.

From Wikipedia:

Historian Niall Ferguson, in addition to figures from Keith Lowe, tabulated the total death rate for POWs in World War II as follows:

Percentage of POWs that Died

Soviet POWs held by Germans                  57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs                  41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets                  35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese          33.0%
American POWs held by Germans            1.19%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans   32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese                  24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks            5.0%
British POWs held by Germans                    3.5%
German POWs held by French                    2.58%
German POWs held by Americans            0.15%
German POWs held by British                    0.03%

The record is clear the Germans were selectively civilized based on your race. You were treated pretty well if you were British and totally screwed if you ever came under their power as a “inferior”. The Russians and the Japanese were brutal too but to a lessor degree.

The Nazi’s viewed the Russians as manipulated and controlled by the Jews whom they viewed as the true mastermind and menace. What would a civilization that had no qualms about starving to death almost 60% of their Slavic prisoners of war a population they viewed as inferior dupes feel about the treatment of the race they viewed as the greater menace and the “ mastermind” of communism.  The answer of course is mass extermination which is exactly what happened. There are many many eyewitness accounts of the Nazi crimes but beyond that the Nazi crimes were nothing more then the logical extension of the Nazi ideology.

The Germans were right to fear communism and they were also right that the Jews in Russia played a major role in establishing Communism in that country and overthrowing the monarchy. However, in their fear of that evil and in their anger and desire to correct past injustices they allowed themselves to become a darker evil. To obtain the strength to battle monsters they turned themselves into demons.

Here is what Churchill said of the Nazi’s in 1934 many years before the war would begin

After all, my friends, only a few hours away by air there dwell a nation of nearly seventy millions of the most educated, industrious, scientific, disciplined people in the world, who are being taught from childhood to think of war as a glorious exercise and death in battle as the noblest fate for man.

There is a nation which has abandoned all its liberties in order to augment its collective strength. There is a nation which, with all its strength and virtue, is in the grip of a group of ruthless men, preaching a gospel of intolerance and racial pride, unrestrained by law, by parliament, or by public opinion. In that country all pacifist speeches, all morbid war books are forbidden or suppressed, and their authors rigorously imprisoned. From their new table of commandments they have omitted “thou shall not kill.”

It is but twenty years since these neighbors of ours fought almost the whole world, and almost defeated them. Now they are rearming with the utmost speed, and ready to their hands is the new lamentable weapon of the air, against which our navy is -no defense, and before which women and children, the weak and frail, the pacifist and the jingo, the warrior and the civilian, the front line trenches and the cottage home, all lie in equal and impartial peril.

Nay, worse still, for with the new weapon has come a new method, or rather has come back the most British method of ancient barbarism, namely, the possibility of compelling the submission of nations by terrorizing their civil population; and, worst of all, the more civilized the country is, the larger and more splendid its cities, the more intricate the structure of its civil and economic life, the more is it vulnerable and at the mercy of those who may make it their prey.

Now, these are facts, hard, grim, indisputable facts, and in the face of these facts, I ask again, what are we to do?

[BADecker]

Nobody is saying that the German Nazis of WW2 were the good guys. All that is being said is that American leaders along with Churchill were only "good" because they were forced to be good by the ethics of the people who kept them in power. Had the German government been of a different form, Hitler would not have been able to do the bad he did. Had the American and UK governments been different, they would have attacked Germany long before they did.

WW2 was simply an extension of European wars that had been going on for hundreds of years one way or another. The fact America and the UK did not appear as aggressive as other European nations was due to the people of America and the UK forcing their governments to be peaceful (more or less). But behind the scenes, the Americans and Brits were just as bad as Hitler's people. They simply covered it up better.

The results are that Hitler and the Nazi's died, but the whole world staggers under the banking system that America and the UK allowed to be set in place. Far more are being killed off by the necessity for keeping the banking system in place, than could have been killed off by the WW2 Nazi's if they had won.

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Nobody is saying that the German Nazis of WW2 were the good guys. All that is being said is that American leaders along with Churchill were only "good" because they were forced to be good by the ethics of the people who kept them in power. Had the German government been of a different form, Hitler would not have been able to do the bad he did. Had the American and UK governments been different, they would have attacked Germany long before they did.

WW2 was simply an extension of European wars that had been going on for hundreds of years one way or another. The fact America and the UK did not appear as aggressive as other European nations was due to the people of America and the UK forcing their governments to be peaceful (more or less). But behind the scenes, the Americans and Brits were just as bad as Hitler's people. They simply covered it up better.

The results are that Hitler and the Nazi's died, but the whole world staggers under the banking system that America and the UK allowed to be set in place. Far more are being killed off by the necessity for keeping the banking system in place, than could have been killed off by the WW2 Nazi's if they had won.

There are no human good guys or good nations but there are certainly better and worse. Your first paragraph is true but the second two have issues.

WW2 was more then just an extension of prior European wars. The Nazi ideology was one of eugenic world domination with a ruthlessness made possible by the decline of Christian ethics amoung the population. As Christianity wanes the population becomes vulnerable to parasitic ideologies Communism and Nazism are dark reflections of each other tolotarian collectivist regimes centered around falsehoods made possible by waning Christian virtue.

If the Nazis had crushed Russia it would have probably led to either a eventual global toltarian world government with everyone under Nazi rule and the non Aryans marked for gradual liquidation or more likely a vast global nuclear disaster triggered by the USA or Japan in their attempts to stop them. Nazism would not have spontaneously collapsed like Communism did and their victory in WW2 would simply set the stage for an inevitable WW3. For all it’s faults at least Communism is an inclusive ideology. Their end goal is to transform their enemies into good communists not exterminate them. It is an error to look at modern evils like our financial system as justifying the Nazi evils. What the Nazis would have built had they won would be far worse.

[BADecker]

Nobody is saying that the German Nazis of WW2 were the good guys. All that is being said is that American leaders along with Churchill were only "good" because they were forced to be good by the ethics of the people who kept them in power. Had the German government been of a different form, Hitler would not have been able to do the bad he did. Had the American and UK governments been different, they would have attacked Germany long before they did.

WW2 was simply an extension of European wars that had been going on for hundreds of years one way or another. The fact America and the UK did not appear as aggressive as other European nations was due to the people of America and the UK forcing their governments to be peaceful (more or less). But behind the scenes, the Americans and Brits were just as bad as Hitler's people. They simply covered it up better.

The results are that Hitler and the Nazi's died, but the whole world staggers under the banking system that America and the UK allowed to be set in place. Far more are being killed off by the necessity for keeping the banking system in place, than could have been killed off by the WW2 Nazi's if they had won.

There are no human good guys or good nations but there are certainly better and worse. Your first paragraph is true but the second two have issues.

WW2 was more then just an extension of prior European wars. The Nazi ideology was one of eugenic world domination with a ruthlessness made possible by the decline of Christian ethics amoung the population. As Christianity wanes the population becomes vulnerable to parasitic ideologies Communism and Nazism are dark reflections of each other tolotarian collectivist regimes centered around falsehoods made possible by waning Christian virtue.

If the Nazis had crushed Russia it would have probably led to either a eventual global toltarian world government with everyone under Nazi rule and the non Aryans marked for gradual liquidation or more likely a vast global nuclear disaster triggered by the USA or Japan in their attempts to stop them. Nazism would not have spontaneously collapsed like Communism did and their victory in WW2 would simply set the stage for an inevitable WW3. For all it’s faults at least Communism is an inclusive ideology. Their end goal is to transform their enemies into good communists not exterminate them. It is an error to look at modern evils like our financial system as justifying the Nazi evils. What the Nazis would have built had they won would be far worse.

Evils don't have any justification anywhere.

Ezekiel 16:52:

Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

Jeremiah 3:11:

The LORD said to me, "Faithless Israel is more righteous than unfaithful Judah."

What the Jews built with banking makes Hitler and the Nazi's appear more righteous than America and the UK. But if a person doesn't look, he won't see it.

[CoinCube]

Evils don't have any justification anywhere.

Ezekiel 16:52:

Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

Jeremiah 3:11:

The LORD said to me, "Faithless Israel is more righteous than unfaithful Judah."

What the Jews built with banking makes Hitler and the Nazi's appear more righteous than America and the UK. But if a person doesn't look, he won't see it.

And a deeper look will reveal that the illusion of righteousness to be false but perhaps we will just have to disagree on that.

The Fiat system and it’s failings were set into motion centuries before Hitler when humanity decided to legalize fractional reserve banking allowing multiple simultaneous claims on the same gold. That led to instability and the attempted centralized solution of central banking in the Great Depression and finally when that failed the transition to full fiat which is now starting to fail.

As a group the Jews have a very high IQ and individual Jews certainly profited tremendously from the process over the centuries but if there were no Jews in banking the same process would have occurred with some other nation or group picking up the slack. Our financial system is a power vacuum made possible by human stupidity, greed, and lack of wisdom.

Power vacuums will always be filled. The fiat system cannot be corrected it can only fail. Perhaps we will learn something from the collapse but knowing humanity even if we do we will eventually deploy and build something even worse. It’s what we are and what we do.

See: Finance: Part 1, 2, 3

[BADecker]

Evils don't have any justification anywhere.

Ezekiel 16:52:

Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

Jeremiah 3:11:

The LORD said to me, "Faithless Israel is more righteous than unfaithful Judah."

What the Jews built with banking makes Hitler and the Nazi's appear more righteous than America and the UK. But if a person doesn't look, he won't see it.

And a deeper look will reveal that the illusion of righteousness to be false but perhaps we will just have to disagree on that.

The Fiat system and it’s failings were set into motion centuries before Hitler when humanity decided to legalize fractional reserve banking allowing multiple simultaneous claims on the same gold. That led to instability and the attempted centralized solution of central banking in the Great Depression and finally when that failed the transition to full fiat which is now starting to fail.

As a group the Jews have a very high IQ and individual Jews certainly profited tremendously from the process over the centuries but if there were no Jews in banking the same process would have occurred with some other nation or group picking up the slack. Our financial system is a power vacuum made possible by human stupidity, greed, and lack of wisdom.

Power vacuums will always be filled. The fiat system cannot be corrected it can only fail. Perhaps we will learn something from the collapse but knowing humanity even if we do we will eventually deploy and build something even worse. It’s what we are and what we do.

See: Finance: Part 1, 2, 3

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