CLEAR guide to red trust for EXTORTION and BLACKMAIL according to DT members.

[The-One-Above-All]

For those wondering what qualifies as extortion and blackmail according to DT members. I will provide a few handy scenarios.


SCENARIO 1

1. cryptohunter was attacked in his own thread by LAUDA who randomly claimed cryptohunter was a liar. Cryptohunter asks lauda to present the evidence of the LIES. Lauda refuses.

Lauda then comes and repeats the accusations that cryptohunter is a liar. Cryptohunter says produce the evidence of the lies. Lauda refuses and simply states it again. Cryptohunter then says if you call me a liar again without evidence we will encourage people to review your own post history and they will see who is the liar here.

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  Lauda gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.



SCENARIO 2

2. cryptohunter presents quotes of laudas post histories where he lied.

Tman comes along and claims cryptohunter  has blackmailed and extorted lauda and gives CH more red trust.

Cryptohunter says to TMAN - you can not give red trust for presenting a facts based post.

Tman replies " I can I will and I just have"

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  TMAN gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.


SCENARIO 3

3. Cryptohunter tells Tman to remove the trust abuse (that he has clearly admitted he has given red trust for a FACTS based post) or else he will be sure to make sure people know this was clearly TRUST ABUSE.

YOGG comes along and BOOM CLAIMS THIS IS BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION and gives cryptohunter red trust.

Cryptohunter say to yogg this is like someone stealing your phone and you telling them to return it or else you will report them to the police.

Yogg says yes that would be extortion and be wrong.


ALL DT agrees with this and all confirm the red trust is fine and deserving.  Here we see steamtyme ( a tman asslicker) agreeing that ALICE telling bob to return her phone or she will call the cops is BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION

By creating a "tit" for "tat" scenario, Alice can be said to be blackmailing Bob. There is the perceived agreement if you return my property, I will not notify the police. Do something for me and I'll remove the negative consequence of your actions from the table. Now would Alice be punished, charged or sentenced for this - No at least not in my country. Should the police become involved their advice would be to always notify them and file a report even if you've recovered the property.

Rightly so, Alice may not realize that by letting Bob off scott free, she is only setting the predator on a path to the next victim, who may not be so lucky.

NOW WHAT HAPPENS??  start reading here

SCENARIO 4 - the non threatening, non blackmailing, non extortion totally fine and okay way to do things

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53220286#msg53220286

TMAN comes in and buys a "debt" from LoyceV for 1 satoshi. Then straight away starts threatening to DOXX or seems to be implying in this thread that he will do far more to the " apparent" debtor that dox him. TMan says if this "apparent" debtor does not pay him $650 dollars in a few days he will dox him, and some other threats in PM to him and now seems to be making all kinds of threats.

I mean not only is this clearly financially motivated like his other extortion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

It is totally selfish, I mean he is claiming he will release the dox if he does not get HIS 1 satoshi to $650 bucks convertion ... so what he will not turn this information over if he is paid $650?? what about the other fucking people that were " apparently" scammed or not paid out??

That threat started as an attempt at a legal combined effort to get funds back for everyone. Now tman says he will buy all the debts and will extort the guy to paying him back?? actually I forgot...those are not threats, not blackmail and not extortion because it is DT member and different rules apply to them. DOUBLE STANDARDS.


This is BULLSHIT they use the trust system to punish those that whistle blow on their scamming and prior extorting, by claiming you are extorting them LOL then they go around REALLY extorting people for clear selfishly motivated financial gain.

WHAT IS WORSE is the scumbags like steamtyme and the other scammer supporters that have WEASELED their way on to DT with the COMPLIMENTARY CHIPMIXER supporting and colluding with them to fully entrench them on default trust. All enabled, sanctioned and rewarded by the bogus merit=trust system.


So the guide to defining Extortion and blackmail with regards red trust is clear.

You can not say you will encourage people to review a persons post history (who falsely accuses you of lying over and over) to find out the truth about them ..that = EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL

You can not say you will make sure people know the truth that a DT member admitted trust abusing your facts based post if they do not remove that trust abuse = EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL

You can say you will dox people and PM them other threats unless they pay $650 bucks for something you just bought for 1 satoshi = NOT a threat, NOT extortion nor blackmail.

Or if you get caught making threats unless people pay you money or btc ... you always have the old " under cover agents" get out.
Or if that does not work call in SS for the reverse the meaning of words defense.

More guides will be produces as and when we feel the need to keep the board updated with the latest views and attitudes of our honest and upstanding DT members.

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[suchmoon]

There's little doubt that you're an unstable lunatic and this thread is just more proof of that.

Whether this deserves red trust is another question. I used to think it doesn't but that didn't stop you from attacking me for that too, so it's quite plausible that some users consider your mental issues "high risk".

[The-One-Above-All]

There's little doubt that you're an unstable lunatic and this thread is just more proof of that.

Whether this deserves red trust is another question. I used to think it doesn't but that didn't stop you from attacking me for that too, so it's quite plausible that some users consider your mental issues "high risk".

LOL what an off topic bunch of adhominem speculative derailing garbage.

Sorry, pointing out clear and undeniable double standards and your pals undeniable scamming and YOUR OWN scammer supporting does not indicated PROOF of instability or being a lunatic.

Looks just like some kind of ad hominem attack to derail the thread and avoid tackling the clear double standards.

Stand behind your low functioning spew moron. Where is the PROOF in the initial post ?? NOWHERE that is where.

You clearly supported scammers and on top of that tried your best to get a real legend banned.  Then wonder why some people may QUESTION your actions here. LOL  Then PRETEND the member attacked you for saying he should not have red trust haha

Now here you are spamming chipmixer with your corrupt colluding scumbag pals.

NOW THEN which part of the initial post do you wish to debate or are you just going to hide behind your ad hominem attacks ??

Watch suchmoon run away or claim we are back on ignore for the 100th time.

Your posts are absolute garbage with zero substance that will stand up to scrutiny. If you are not self debunking, running away from your own challenges or just generally spewing moronic crap you are supporting scammers and trying to get real honest and useful members punished. Oh that is if you are not stabbing THEYMOS in the back claiming he is sneaky and heavy handed by asking you to exclude a proven scammer and trust abuser from default trust.

Now back on topic please we are debating here BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION as clearly described in the initial post.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

[The-One-Above-All]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

NO because it is not a reputation based thread.

It is a clear guide for people to use when determining BLACKMAIL or EXTORTION as per DT actions/opinions.

More scenarios can be added as we go along.

Whos reputation would it be under?? the entire boards reputation as we add more examples of BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION that deserve red trust and flagging.

Why don't we move all those " MY TRIP TO LEGENDARY" to reputation they are not even system wide/ board wide applicable they are merely an account of one persons asslicking journey. Pulling themselves along the gutter by their tongues toward chipmixer riches LOL

Actually most of the crap here in meta is far LESS meta board material than this clear guide and chance for DT members to give their clear insight into BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION with regards negative trust and flagging.

Got it now?

Where is YOGG that other scammers supporting scum sucker to give tman red trust for blackmail and extortion.??  Let's hear his bullshit explanation of why he is not going to give his DT mutual include, merit cycling pal and fortunejack spammer a negative trust now??

[TMAN]

cant believe I am answering this but...

I bought a debt, I can chose how to pursue that debt however I shall chose
I did not say I would publicly dox the user in question just that I would get his dox
I am still buying his debt.

back on ignore cunty.

[The-One-Above-All]

cant believe I am answering this but...

I bought a debt, I can chose how to pursue that debt however I shall chose
I did not say I would publicly dox the user in question just that I would get his dox
I am still buying his debt.

back on ignore cunty.

Oh really, let me get some quotes here for you then to explain and tell us how this is NOT anywhere near as bad as scenario 1-3 above.

This will be fun.

for 1 satoshi.

Sold I owe you 1 Satoshi.

@dean.

you now owe  me $650.00

i will now PM you the name of someone who has your full dox, I will be meeting with this person on the 13th December, unless you pay me in full I will be passing your full dox to the investigators in this thread.

xxxxx

2nd lead on your dox...

3rd lead commencing next weekend, I’m playing poker with some people who have played with you.

Silly silly dean

oh no

every poker player knows me, everyone knows that. it's hardly a lead

No son, no one knows you other than a few sweatties, you ain’t fucking famous you mug. It’s closing in dean, all over the $650 of debt I bought.

Imagine what would of happened if you actually scammed me??

Pretty sure this has to be against forum rules no?



Mods gonna delete this post too?  

Dean,

You are responsible for the situation you're in right now.  Not JollyGood or TMAN or RHaver or the "hackers" or anyone else.  Just you.

If your goal is to make everyone whole, I suggest putting more time into that instead of trying to play the victim while being a dick all the time.  It's just not working.

Yes... 1000% start making a concerted effort to not be a cunt, start making payments or build a small fund with a trusted escrow and I’ll leave you be. If not the TMAN will do all. In my power to make you unhappy

you are a idiot.

Ok sugar tits, your poor attempts at intimidation do not work with people like me, your scams are pathetic, your attitude is pathetic. I bet even your Mrs is pathetic.

Peace out scam man - we will find you, my team have new information! no new public information to be posted

You dickfuck, you told me you were going to come see me. As you would have to arrange travel you spaznozzle, I told you to stay where you are.

Fucking persecution complex, if I was coming for you I would just come for you this ain’t grinder you dick, if I chose to collect debts in full you would not know when it’s coming, hows it’s coming or what the fuck would happen.

Poor boy, you really have no idea how these things work do you?

However should any other members be looking for full collection on top of the $650 dean owes me I am more than happy to assist, I’m buying any debts owed by dean now. Please PM with debt total, your requested sales price. If the total is worth my contacts time I will make arrangements for collection

Hmm so all of that is NOT blackmail/extortion  but scenarios 1-3 are blackmail/extortion.

LOL  you have turned a thread which started to be a LEGAL combined effort to get funds back for everyone INTO a thread where you buy the debts for 1 satoshi and then EXTORT the debtor to pay YOU back and if he does then WHAT YOU WILL NOT GIVE THE DOX to the investigators???

SO if you get paid their money you will not turn over his information to the investigators??

WTF this is extortion for your own clear selfish financial reward you scamming little wretch.

And yet you and the ENTIRE DT say that if alice has her phone stolen by bob and alice says to bob  " give my phone back bob or I will report you to the police"  or " give my phone back bob or I will tell other people you have stolen my phone"

THEN SHE IS A BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST??

hahahah default trust - the most shady bunch of cunts in the entire universe.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123646.0

Love how that scumbag scammer supporter steamtyme ( fellow dt mutual inclusion and merit cycler with tman and chipmixer spammer) is confirming in the above thread that ALICE is a blackmailer for making tit for tat threats but in this thread  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53226032#msg53226032

and later in that thread that these are NOT Threats tman is making and it is not blackmail or extortion.

Sounds a bit like what tman and lauda were working on here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

This is how these double standards enforcing scammers are still entrenched in DT. They simply ensure their ardent scammer supporting pals are in DT with them to protect them and push through their double standards unhindered.

If that does not work then they roll out front man suchmoron to derail or just make a fool of her fat self to try and slobber out a lot of garbage that falls to bits with any probing.  Before it runs away crying we are back on ignore for being too crazy and nasty.


Where is SS... this is going to come down to a reversing the meaning of words to their opposite defense I think haha

[TwitchySeal]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

NO because it is not a reputation based thread.

It is a clear guide for people to use when determining BLACKMAIL or EXTORTION as per DT actions/opinions.

It's a reputation based thread disguised (poorly) as a 'guide'.

[suchmoon]

dumb gay negro

Oh no, you took away the OP's ability to make up a nickname for you, which is something he takes very seriously and puts a lot of effort in. This is bound to cause another wall of text.

[The-One-Above-All]

Maybe I'm just the dumb gay negro in the thread, but reading this sounds to me like someone dun got F'd in the A too many times, being shady for... reasons... and is now crying about a "woe is me" situation. In my experience with these forums, those that cry the most about the Default Trust system, are those who have shown themselves to be bad actors for this community.

A form of social darwinism. Piss off someone with DT, and you are likely to have more of a bad time. Over enough time, with enough complaints from different users, people can judge the user for themselves by going through grievances. Don't poke the bears you dumbfucks. Be kind to your hosts and stewards.

System is working as intended.

I have no care as to what you think, you piece of servile dirt.  Have you got that now.

PROVE that we are bad actors OR ELSE fuck back off under your rock. Sounds like a bunch of bias moronic speculation from a fucking imbecile.

Now when you have finished with your gay fantasies and dreams about getting dun in da ass (likely never happens without payment)

You have no experience here. Never heard of you before because you are a non achieving  loser on welfare.

This poor wretch defines..

 Those that clearly present undeniable observable instances of scamming, scammer supporting, willing scam facilitating and clear double standards = Those that cry the most

Yeah those people presenting clear evidence of DT wrong doing = the bad guys.

Keep taking your meds filth bag.

@suchmoron our fav lurker/stalker

Stop hiding and get out here fatso and debate the initial post. Is the other idiot one of your alts or something. Seems to be taking the same play here. A bunch of zero content speculation and garbage that just falls to pieces when you ask for any EVIDENCE or PROOF.


Notice how this thread is getting DERAILED again by those that will NOT DARE debate the points in the initial post.

[The-One-Above-All]

Notice how this thread is getting DERAILED again by those that will NOT DARE debate the points in the initial post.

Well, you see there, friend. That's what is referred to as "the rub". You can't very well debate "unsound minds" now, can you ?

I'm glad you at least realize your limitations and use.

Now either tackle the points in the initial post or fuck off.  Tired of low function DT feltching servile scum trying to derail the thread with their groundless speculations that are not even relevant or on topic.

Bring some substance imbecile or have your posts torn to pieces like the fragile garbage and derailing net negative trash they are.

[TMAN]

You can't very well debate "unsound minds" now, can you ?

many of us tried with OP... always ends up in the same spiral of madness, the OP loves it though - hence why most of us have it on ignore now.

you on the other-hand, well Bob I could chat with you all day!

[suchmoon]

I think the OP is suffering from "the sockpuppet who cried wolf too many times" syndrome. There is no one left who could be bothered to read his shit and/or to give a fuck (except Foxpup, who always does).

[The-One-Above-All]

I think the OP is suffering from "the sockpuppet who cried wolf too many times" syndrome. There is no one left who could be bothered to read his shit and/or to give a fuck (except Foxpup, who always does).

Looks like MORE ad hominem cowardly tactics to avoid tackling the central points made in the initial post.

Thanks for summoning foxy. He was crucial in proving ALICE was a blackmailing extortionist scumbag and poor old bob the innocent...

His not-based-on -reasoning based opinions are always welcome. 

[DireWolfM14]

@cryptohunter,
No one wants to debate someone who can't adhere to reality.  You continue to beat these dead horses with the only stick you own; the "DT did this to MEEEE" stick.  The thing is, if you had any rational arguments people might actually listen, but all you do is attack people to satisfy your own personal vendetta.  A vendetta that stems from you initially attacking people, and their subsequent retaliation.  If you ever had an argument that could have been used to gain support for your cause, you've squandered it by your continued slander, ad hominem attacks, and an inability to see the other side of the story.  

Sometimes our perception of the facts causes us to mistake the reality of a particular situation.  If you want a debate you must be willing to allow your mind to be changed, and accept that you may be mistaken.  That's how debates work.  I'm not immune from misinterpreting facts myself, but the difference is that I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong.  You have demonstrated your inability to step away from the situation and take a look at it without bias, without making it personal.  

You've been on this crusade for well over a year a now, and haven't accomplished anything other than having your accounts painted red by those you continue to attack.  Don't you think it may be time for another strategy?

[The-One-Above-All]

@cryptohunter,
No one wants to debate someone who can't adhere to reality.  You continue to beat these dead horses with the only stick you own; the "DT did this to MEEEE" stick.  The thing is, if you had any rational arguments people might actually listen, but all you do is attack people to satisfy your own personal vendetta.  A vendetta that stems from you initially attacking people, and their subsequent retaliation.  If you ever had an argument that could have been used to gain support for your cause, you've squandered it by your continued slander, ad hominem attacks, and an inability to see the other side of the story.  

Sometimes our perception of the facts causes us to mistake the reality of a particular situation.  If you want a debate you must be willing to allow your mind to be changed, that you may be mistaken.  That's how debates work.  I'm not immune from misinterpreting facts myself, but the difference is that I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong.  You have demonstrated your inability to step away from the situation and take a look at it without bias, without making personal.  

You've been on this crusade for well over a year a now, and haven't accomplished anything other than having your accounts painted red by those you continue -to attack.  Don't you think it may be time for another strategy?

There is no other strategy required. Present observable instances of clear double standards , scamming etc by DT members is all that is required.

WRONG it was their initial attacks as stated - stop playing fucking dumb.

Their initial attacks, lies and trust abuse. Undeniable.

Red marks ...oh no.  

You have demonstrated you are a total asslicking dreg that will say anything to spam chipmixer. Got it idiot.

NOW THEN rather than just SAY THINGS that pop into your servile assfeltching mind that are clearly bullshit when investigated. SAY THINGS AND CORROBORATE THEM WITH OBSERVABLE INSTANCES. Then they may have some value.

Bring evidence.

However, stick to the ON TOPIC AND RELEVANT points made in the initial post. Stop derailing with bullshit you just make up

WATCH THIS

Bring one central point we have made about your PALS who you mutually include on dt and cycle merits with or about the systems of control that has been conclusively debunked. I await your reply.

No more " the opposite of facts " from you burger flipper lol.... that is likely where SS got the idea from.

Have you not got some poor people to fleece with you loan shark rates?? what a scum bag.

All sounds like a lot of false excuses to AVOID debating the points clearly made in the  initial post.

DERAILING.

[DireWolfM14]

fucking dumb.
asslicking dreg
idiot.
servile assfeltching mind
burger flipper
scum bag.

 

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

[vlom]

the most interesting parts of this topic are the posts that have not been made.

are you afraid to post here people? are you afraid that anybody will think that you have the same opinion like the OP?

the postings from TMAN quotet in this topic sound like blackmailing. if they are out of context here is an other question / history. and i wont read more about it in other topics.

and anybody that is writing something about what I should have done / or did instead about what i wrote here is trying to  sweep something under the carpet.

@OP:
If you are fighting for a better forum then stop it. It wont be possible. There are too many users that earn too much money here. This forum is nothing more than a copy of the capitalist society.

If you are trying to have a fight with TMAN than fight somewhere else. Because the forum wont be better if you do it here.

[suchmoon]

Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

That's exactly what you deserve for that.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

He's been ranting so long about the same things, turning everyone into a hostile.

[DireWolfM14]

Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you?

That's exactly what you deserve for that.

No good deed goes unpunished.   

[The-One-Above-All]

fucking dumb.
asslicking dreg
idiot.
servile assfeltching mind
burger flipper
scum bag.

 

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you?  

YES we read it and NO it did not at all occur to us that you were trying to help us.

1. YOU are LYING and stating WE STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE

that is a LIE. I just told you Lauda started attacking CH FIRST calling him a liar then when CH said present the lies Lauda refused and just repeated it over and over. Then CH said he would encourage people to review laudas post history to see who was a liar.

that does not even take into account the FACT suchmoron and that other DT goons started attacking CH and trying to get him banned for pointing out MERIT was a pile of subjective, meaningless, cycled, abused and dangerous garbage.

So NO I don't consider casting us in a NEGATIVE light and making up LIES that we were attacking people as you trying to HELP.

Now stick to debating the central points listed in the initial post.


@VLOM

Yes, we believe it is still possible to fight for a transparent set of rules that are applied FAIRLY and EQUALLY to all members. We will not tolerate a 2 tier system.

You are correct the systems of control that theymos has designed have completely transformed this place into a replica of the central banking system with the merits being issued by a tiny handful who collude together to control every aspect of this forum resulting in them and their pals alone taking over all the best rev streams here.

There can be no denial of this, there has been NO attempt to even rebut this because it is impossible to do so.

Just allowing the merit cancer to creep over the entire board (going primarily to those ONLY the DT/merit colluding scum believe will fall inline with them and support the status quo they have engineered) now even creeping into the MERIT VOLUME button for the rest of the forum is terrible to watch.

Secretly theymos can see this is a total cluster fuck and every single thing we say is impossible to deny hence why he will not ever dare enter into debate over the mechanisms and their clear implications.

I mean what other system would Enable, sanction, reward, and entrench a bunch of some of the worst long term scammers, extortionists, willing scam facilitators, with multiple counts of undeniable financially motivated wrong doing to grasp the positions of TRUST and POWER/INFLUENCE (merit) and allow them to use this to PUNISH those long term honest members that have ZERO instances of financially motivated wrong doing, always pushed of the fairest distributions of projects , fought the largest of scams ( supported by these same scum bag dts) fought the largest scammers ................PUNISH them for whistle blowing on the worst long term scammers and financially dangerous scum here.

Theymos then even seeks to help these worst long term scammers have their red trust removed ( to keep the peace apparently)  whilst claiming the most honest members here have spread lies and are CRAZY and obviously INSANE  for getting pissed off that he has developed a system that allows scammers to punish honest members for whistle blowing on them. LOL

It is good that he is starting to see these scum for what they really are. WAKEY WAKEY theymos get these double standards pushing scammers well away from merit/trust and any other positions they can leverage for their own financial gain. They only kiss up to you whilst they are using you as their useful idiot to raise the merit to 250 and things are going their way, watch them stab you in the back and start being far less servile once you start to introduce some fair transparent standards ALL members must be measured against.


I mean just look at this single issue here. ALICE who has her phone snatched by BOB. Alice telling bob to return her property or she will report this to the police is a BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST according to ALL OF DT. Not one say NO of course BOB is a thieving scumbag piece of shit and alice is well within her right to say that and certainly should report it. NO DT says she is a blackmailer.

TMan comes to a thread where people are meant to be forming a LEGAL combined effort to get their funds returned to them. He then starts buying the debts for 1 satoshi and threatening the debtor with doxing and all other manner of threatening shit and " scary words" ohhh... to get his $650 bucks

The same people STEAMTYME who is calling alice a blackmailer/extortionist is defending his mutal dt include and merit cycling pals actions say not blackmail/not extortion nothing wrong at all here. It is a good thing he is doing? oh really??

The double standards are sickening.

We will keep pointing them out where we like when the fuck we like. If the DT members don't like it. TOUGH SHIT scumbags.

If the systems of control want to enable, reward and empower scammers to punish honest members then they will need to be pulled up on every instance of clear double standards we notice.

Start debunking our central points or just remain our bitches to slap around whenever we feel like it.

OR

Start living up to the SAME STANDARDS you want to hold everyone else to.

[Foxpup]

There is no one left who could be bothered to read his shit and/or to give a fuck (except Foxpup, who always does).

Not this time. I'm afraid I'm fresh out of fucks.

[TwitchySeal]

fucking dumb.
asslicking dreg
idiot.
servile assfeltching mind
burger flipper
scum bag.

 

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you?  

YES we read it and NO it did not at all occur to us that you were trying to help us.

1. YOU are LYING and stating WE STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE

that is a LIE. I just told you Lauda started attacking CH FIRST calling him a liar then when CH said present the lies Lauda refused and just repeated it over and over. Then CH said he would encourage people to review laudas post history to see who was a liar.

that does not even take into account the FACT suchmoron and that other DT goons started attacking CH and trying to get him banned for pointing out MERIT was a pile of subjective, meaningless, cycled, abused and dangerous garbage.

So NO I don't consider casting us in a NEGATIVE light and making up LIES that we were attacking people as you trying to HELP.

Now stick to debating the central points listed in the initial post.


@VLOM

Yes, we believe it is still possible to fight for a transparent set of rules that are applied FAIRLY and EQUALLY to all members. We will not tolerate a 2 tier system.

You are correct the systems of control that theymos has designed have completely transformed this place into a replica of the central banking system with the merits being issued by a tiny handful who collude together to control every aspect of this forum resulting in them and their pals alone taking over all the best rev streams here.

There can be no denial of this, there has been NO attempt to even rebut this because it is impossible to do so.

Just allowing the merit cancer to creep over the entire board (going primarily to those ONLY the DT/merit colluding scum believe will fall inline with them and support the status quo they have engineered) now even creeping into the MERIT VOLUME button for the rest of the forum is terrible to watch.

Secretly theymos can see this is a total cluster fuck and every single thing we say is impossible to deny hence why he will not ever dare enter into debate over the mechanisms and their clear implications.

I mean what other system would Enable, sanction, reward, and entrench a bunch of some of the worst long term scammers, extortionists, willing scam facilitators, with multiple counts of undeniable financially motivated wrong doing to grasp the positions of TRUST and POWER/INFLUENCE (merit) and allow them to use this to PUNISH those long term honest members that have ZERO instances of financially motivated wrong doing, always pushed of the fairest distributions of projects , fought the largest of scams ( supported by these same scum bag dts) fought the largest scammers ................PUNISH them for whistle blowing on the worst long term scammers and financially dangerous scum here.

Theymos then even seeks to help these worst long term scammers have their red trust removed ( to keep the peace apparently)  whilst claiming the most honest members here have spread lies and are CRAZY and obviously INSANE  for getting pissed off that he has developed a system that allows scammers to punish honest members for whistle blowing on them. LOL

It is good that he is starting to see these scum for what they really are. WAKEY WAKEY theymos get these double standards pushing scammers well away from merit/trust and any other positions they can leverage for their own financial gain. They only kiss up to you whilst they are using you as their useful idiot to raise the merit to 250 and things are going their way, watch them stab you in the back and start being far less servile once you start to introduce some fair transparent standards ALL members must be measured against.


I mean just look at this single issue here. ALICE who has her phone snatched by BOB. Alice telling bob to return her property or she will report this to the police is a BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST according to ALL OF DT. Not one say NO of course BOB is a thieving scumbag piece of shit and alice is well within her right to say that and certainly should report it. NO DT says she is a blackmailer.

TMan comes to a thread where people are meant to be forming a LEGAL combined effort to get their funds returned to them. He then starts buying the debts for 1 satoshi and threatening the debtor with doxing and all other manner of threatening shit and " scary words" ohhh... to get his $650 bucks

The same people STEAMTYME who is calling alice a blackmailer/extortionist is defending his mutal dt include and merit cycling pals actions say not blackmail/not extortion nothing wrong at all here. It is a good thing he is doing? oh really??

The double standards are sickening.

We will keep pointing them out where we like when the fuck we like. If the DT members don't like it. TOUGH SHIT scumbags.

If the systems of control want to enable, reward and empower scammers to punish honest members then they will need to be pulled up on every instance of clear double standards we notice.

Start debunking our central points or just remain our bitches to slap around whenever we feel like it.

OR

Start living up to the SAME STANDARDS you want to hold everyone else to.

Adderall or Meth?

[PrimeNumber7]

Broadly speaking, it is not illegal to demand (or ask for) money that you are duly owed. TMAN might have violated debt collection laws in his posts depending on where both he and BetKing are located, and other factors; if this is the case, I would consider it to be a process crime.

I don't condone how TMAN went about trying to collect the debt he purchased, and above all I think it was immature and intended to create drama, but I don't think it would meet the legal threshold of being blackmail or extortion.

Elsewhere in the thread you are quoting, TMAN had purchased alleged debt owed by the person he was asking to pay. Even if the debt was invalid, I believe in this case that TMAN believed in good faith the debt to be valid, and BetKing did not dispute the debt to TMAN prior to TMAN making any of those statements.

[The-One-Above-All]

Broadly speaking, it is not illegal to demand (or ask for) money that you are duly owed. TMAN might have violated debt collection laws in his posts depending on where both he and BetKing are located, and other factors; if this is the case, I would consider it to be a process crime.

I don't condone how TMAN went about trying to collect the debt he purchased, and above all I think it was immature and intended to create drama, but I don't think it would meet the legal threshold of being blackmail or extortion.

Elsewhere in the thread you are quoting, TMAN had purchased alleged debt owed by the person he was asking to pay. Even if the debt was invalid, I believe in this case that TMAN believed in good faith the debt to be valid, and BetKing did not dispute the debt to TMAN prior to TMAN making any of those statements.

Where as telling some one who is accusing you of being a liar who refuses to provide any evidence that if they continue to do so you will encourage others to review their post history to find out the truth for themselves  IS LEGALLY blackmail and extortion you say??

His actions.. by his, laudas and yoggs OWN STANDARDS and definition is  clearly extortion and blackmail.

Offering the dox does not seem to be the only implied or clear threat either.

EITHER WAY by their own standards (yoggs, laudas tmans standards are stated as making ANY threat to induce a certain action) is blackmail and extortion.

I think you are missing the point. THEY ARE IMPOSING DOUBLE STANDARDS regardless of the legal standing in whatever country.
You did notice I said ACCORDING TO DT MEMBERS in the thread title right? not some specific countries laws?

I question (not deny) your legal advice anyway. I find it hard to believe that you can threaten action that you certainly are aware could be placing a persons life in danger in order to force them to hand money over to you that you " allegedly " are owed. Wonder what would happen if that information being presented led to them being killed. Besides I don't think if you read the OTHER wording in red that the threats end there.

Also the entire ethos of this seems HIGHLY questionable. I mean what is the threat?? he will NOT give the other members the dox if HE is paid out only?? LOL nice

Well done though, for actually posting something of some questionable value and being somewhat ontopic and relevant if even if you are missing the point completely. DOUBLE STANDARDS. I'm not sure we need to have things LEGALLY 100% correct so long as the SAME standards are held to all members. Although if everyone is happy to only have punishment only allocated on a basis of one countries LAWS that is fine by us too.

[TwitchySeal]

Broadly speaking, it is not illegal to demand (or ask for) money that you are duly owed. TMAN might have violated debt collection laws in his posts depending on where both he and BetKing are located, and other factors; if this is the case, I would consider it to be a process crime.

I don't condone how TMAN went about trying to collect the debt he purchased, and above all I think it was immature and intended to create drama, but I don't think it would meet the legal threshold of being blackmail or extortion.

Elsewhere in the thread you are quoting, TMAN had purchased alleged debt owed by the person he was asking to pay. Even if the debt was invalid, I believe in this case that TMAN believed in good faith the debt to be valid, and BetKing did not dispute the debt to TMAN prior to TMAN making any of those statements.

Some other relevant facts:

- Betking owes a shitload to a lot of people and it's been almost a year now since the money went missing.
- He's been trying to convince people to stop calling him a scammer so that he can start a new project and pay everyone back...lol
- It's basically devolved into a bunch of shit talking, TMAN wasn't even trying to make any money he even said if he got paid he'd just give it to LoyceV in exchange for the one satoshi.  He's just trying to get a piece of shit to pay his debts or fuck off instead of trying to run another scam.
(check out his trust, if you know RHaver, and you see his feedback, you will understand)

From same thread:

Dean,

You are responsible for the situation you're in right now.  Not JollyGood or TMAN or RHaver or the "hackers" or anyone else.  Just you.

If your goal is to make everyone whole, I suggest putting more time into that instead of trying to play the victim while being a dick all the time.  It's just not working.

Yes... 1000% start making a concerted effort to not be a cunt, start making payments or build a small fund with a trusted escrow and I’ll leave you be. If not the TMAN will do all. In my power to make you unhappy

[PrimeNumber7]

Broadly speaking, it is not illegal to demand (or ask for) money that you are duly owed. TMAN might have violated debt collection laws in his posts depending on where both he and BetKing are located, and other factors; if this is the case, I would consider it to be a process crime.

I don't condone how TMAN went about trying to collect the debt he purchased, and above all I think it was immature and intended to create drama, but I don't think it would meet the legal threshold of being blackmail or extortion.

Elsewhere in the thread you are quoting, TMAN had purchased alleged debt owed by the person he was asking to pay. Even if the debt was invalid, I believe in this case that TMAN believed in good faith the debt to be valid, and BetKing did not dispute the debt to TMAN prior to TMAN making any of those statements.

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His actions.. by his, laudas and yoggs OWN STANDARDS and definition is  clearly extortion and blackmail.
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I haven't been following the drama surrounding your dispute with these people, so I don't know if this is extortion by their standards or not. With that being said, a lot of people are hypocrites, so I would get over it. You should judge people by your own standards, not anyone else’s.

I would also tend to agree with TwitchySeal below that the thread in question was a bunch of shit talking.

Some other relevant facts:

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- It's basically devolved into a bunch of shit talking, TMAN wasn't even trying to make any money he even said if he got paid he'd just give it to LoyceV in exchange for the one satoshi.  He's just trying to get a piece of shit to pay his debts or fuck off instead of trying to run another scam.

I believe Dean had said that he would not disclose his new project to anyone, so I would guess his defaulting on other debts will not impact his ability to start his new project, if one really exists. I am disappointed that certain users were fanning the flames of the drama in this case, and others recently, but there is little I can do about that.

As I have previously stated, it is in any potential creditors' best interest to retain a lawyer ASAP to discuss a possible lawsuit against Dean to enforce any alleged debts (I only use the word alleged because Dean has disputed the existence of debts), and recover money out of his assets.

[The-One-Above-All]

@twitchy

ALL OF THAT IS IRRELEVANT for the PURPOSES of this thread. Not interested in your " opinions" of what tman will do once extorting/blackmailing his 650bucks he got for 1 satoshi.

It does not matter if your ACTIONS are for the greater good ACCORDING TO TMAN, LAUDA, YOGG and the other scum bags here.

Please stop conflating this thread with some other thread about " what tman is going to do with the money after he extorts it (by his own standards) from the alleged debtor.

The point is for the slower members here

1. THE DEFINITION OF BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION pertaining to giving members RED TRUST FOR IT.

Have you got that now??


If ALICE is clearly guilty of extortion/blackmail and can be given red trust for telling bob ( who has just grabbed her phone and is now walking away with it) that if he does not return it she will report him to the police.

By creating a "tit" for "tat" scenario, Alice can be said to be blackmailing Bob. There is the perceived agreement if you return my property, I will not notify the police. Do something for me and I'll remove the negative consequence of your actions from the table. Now would Alice be punished, charged or sentenced for this - No at least not in my country. Should the police become involved their advice would be to always notify them and file a report even if you've recovered the property.

Rightly so, Alice may not realize that by letting Bob off scott free, she is only setting the predator on a path to the next victim, who may not be so lucky.

The act of getting money from people or forcing them to do something by threatening to tell a secret of theirs or to harm them.

Their own standards.

Then TMAN is clearly guilty of blackmail/extortion.

This is about the DOUBLE STANDARDS employed by DT members here when certain behaviors SUIT THEIR OWN FINANCIAL GAIN or their own purposes.

How much clearer can I make this??

The problem is if you allow DT members to WEAPONIZE the trust system to PUNISH other members for deeds they themselves commit but do NOT get punished. You are permitting a 2 tier system to flourish.

Which part are you all having issue understanding??

Other than that. NOT THAT IS IS RELEVANT

Making far more serious threats than " encouraging others to review a members public post history" doxing plus other implied threats that could endanger the members life.

Making a STRANGE deal where apparently he withhold the DOX from investigators if he gets paid?? or what the fuck else is the point of saying to the alleged debtor I will reveal your dox if you do NOT pay me 650 bucks for a 1 satoshi loan I just bought?

I don't see TMAN saying he will give loyce the 650 bucks  NOT THAT IT MATTERS.

So if there are any points you are not clear on speak up but stop cluttering and derailing my threat by conflating DOUBLE STANDARDS with  specific legalities you "believe" are relevant to certain countries , and if you believe TMans is going to give the money to loyce anyway.

Transparent Rules that are applied equally to all members  - have you got that now??

No point saying to people that are being punished by the CLEAR double standards, double standards that are permitting undeniable scammers and scammer supporters to punish other honest members whilst creaming off the top rev streams from themselves..... WELL DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT.... just live to your own standards??

No thanks. I will make sure the SAME standards are applied equally to ALL members.


Double standards = scamming.

Double standards WILL BE highlighted and constantly repeated when and where they are on topic and relevant. No ignoring , enduring, putting up with or accepting. NONE.

[TwitchySeal]

Then TMAN is clearly guilty of blackmail/extortion.

This is about the DOUBLE STANDARDS employed by DT members here when certain behaviors SUIT THEIR OWN FINANCIAL GAIN or their own purposes.

How much clearer can I make this??

Shouldn't it be in reputation then?

[The-One-Above-All]

Then TMAN is clearly guilty of blackmail/extortion.

This is about the DOUBLE STANDARDS employed by DT members here when certain behaviors SUIT THEIR OWN FINANCIAL GAIN or their own purposes.

How much clearer can I make this??

Shouldn't it be in reputation then?

NO because this is a CLEAR guide to blackmail and extortion as defined by DT members for the red trusting of NON DT members.

More examples will be added as they come up.

So in future when people are looking for a guide to see how they (NON DT MEMBERS) are allowed to proceed to if people steal their phone, their btc or are battling against LIES and false accusations, trust abuse or any other thing that happens to them. They will be able to read and judge for themselves their best course of action.

Also this thread is going to be dynamic so IF some DT members say HELL NO alice can tell bob to give back her phone or she will call the cops and anyone casting alice as a blackmailer and extortionist and tries to punish her THEN I WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Then that can be added to the guide.

Now stop being a scammer supporter, double standards excuse provider and generally trying to silence those that want transparent fair rules applied equally to all members. Because if you do not..... READY FOR SOME EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL ohhhhhhhhh .... then we will be correcting you in public and pointing out every time you do so (when it is on topic relevant and net positive).

Yes in our opinion a member can say to someone that is doing something clearly wrong, stop doing that or else we will voice our opinions that it is wrong and provide observable instances and corroborating evidence to substantiate that opinion. If that is blackmail and extortion for 1 member it must be blackmail and extortion for ALL MEMBERS.

It is NOT trolling'
It is NOT mentally ill
It is not blackmail
It is not extortion.
It is not something you ban people for
It is not something you punish people for.

It is the behavior of people that want transparent and fair standards for all members.

If you can not debunk their central points or demonstrate their opinion is incorrect .....then tough shit if it does not fit with what you want to be (known as) the truth.

Also not to be conflated with I am claiming betking is in the right. He should be paying people any and all monies owed (in our personal opinion) under pressure from any legal means permitted. This is not the point. We believe BOB should be forced to return alices phone by any legal means permitted. This is all irrelevant for the purposes of this thread though. That is for the betking thread. If he owes people money then he should be paying that out to them no question of that.

We need to sort out the double standards FIRST, get the transparent rules that are equally applied to all members. Then all the REAL good guys can get on the same side. Those out for themselves only will soon become visible.

[Lauda]

Can I have more threads? But make sure to include my name in the title please next time, that gives me even more fame. Thank you so much for this!

[HCP]

CLEAR guide to red trust for EXTORTION and BLACKMAIL according to SOME DT members.
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some DT members agree.
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some DT members agree.
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ALL SOME DT agrees with this and all some confirm the red trust is fine and deserving.  
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Some suggested edits for your OP, so you can maintain your "FACT BASED" qualifications... otherwise, please provide proof that I have agreed with any of those scenarios.

NOTE: Just to clarify, I believe that the fact that I haven't made any statements in support, nor condemnation, with regards to any of the above "scenarios" is not proof of either on my behalf. I just dislike the fact that you're generalising and tarring everyone with the same brush. Even the "Switzerland" (apathetic?) DT members who don't really care for forum politics because #reasons.

[The-One-Above-All]

CLEAR guide to red trust for EXTORTION and BLACKMAIL according to SOME DT members.
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some DT members agree.
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some DT members agree.
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ALL SOME DT agrees with this and all some confirm the red trust is fine and deserving.  
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Some suggested edits for your OP, so you can maintain your "FACT BASED" qualifications... otherwise, please provide proof that I have agreed with any of those scenarios.

NOTE: Just to clarify, I believe that the fact that I haven't made any statements in support, nor condemnation, with regards to any of the above "scenarios" is not proof of either on my behalf. I just dislike the fact that you're generalising and tarring everyone with the same brush. Even the "Switzerland" (apathetic?) DT members who don't really care for forum politics because #reasons.

You seem a reasonable person and we have no current issue with you specifically nor some of the other DT members. Other than we consider them to be putting their own self preservation above the greater good of the forum.

Whilst we appreciate not openly supporting the CLEAR and UNDENIABLE double standards employed to punish whistle blowers and discourage the truth being widely known, could be claimed as NON SUPPORT

We feel that it is the responsibility of DT members when made AWARE of scamming or double standards to do all in their power to thwart such actions. DT can ONLY FUNCTION with any value at all if people do as they independently feel is correct. So unless they are countering the red tags and excluding the scammers/trust abusers.....well

If a DT were provided with undeniable evidence of scamming and refuse to put red on the scammers account just because they were a fellow DT. Then clearly that is willful endangerment of the rest of the honest  members here.  Same for CLEAR double standards. Therefore BOTH DT members are unsuitable and untrustworthy to some degree and certainly not suitable for DT which  requires strength, honesty and a willingness to become a target.

DT members trying to cast off undeniable evidence of

1. scamming
2. trust abuse
3. Willful and deliberate scam facilitating
4. Double standards

as simply board politics are simple saying. We are too afraid for our own skins to do the right thing.

Rather than say that (which although true is kind of a bit too strong of a punishment for weak people rather than the direct scammers) we will just say they agree.

If they are including those they KNOW are undeniably pushing double standards and scamming other members on to DT. Then they surely can not be permitted to claim they do NOT agree with those deeds.

The only way we would accept their claims they do not agree, is if they clearly state we do not agree but we are too afraid to stand against those pushing double standards and scamming people because they will likely target us next.


Don't take this as a person attack upon you. It is our opinion of ANY DT member that is made well aware of observable independently verifiable instances of scamming, double standards, trust abuse and tries to avoid tackling it under the " don't want to get involved in board politics."