[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[JollyGood]

Please correct me if I am wrong but in that scenario surely Michelle Obama would have to be a serving elected official (Congresswoman/Senator) to be considered as a running mate for Vice-President therefore she is definitely out of the picture.

If Michelle Obama is Joe Biden's pick for a VP, suchmoon I'm pretty sure you have a guaranteed win for this bet. Michelle Obama is someone that's going to win independents even though she doesn't have political experience. People are immediately going to associate her with Obama's policies and Obama is still incredibly popular with moderate democrats. I expected Kamala Harris and speculated that she dropped out early because Biden's campaign cut her a deal for some position in his administration, but I could see Michelle Obama taking the same spot.

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[TwitchySeal]

Joe is on his way out. Meet your new Dem pick. https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00745075/1403629

It literally is committeee for her to be picked for VP. God if this is real and something that happens, I swear to god that's insane. This is literally just going to be another Obama presidency if that is the case. Honestly what am I saying, it's going to be an Obama presidency either way if Biden is elected. They (Biden and Obama) are pretty much the same.

..... Biden is totally not picking his VP right now, too far out and people don't care. They care a lot more about Coronavirus updates.

If Michelle Obama is Joe Biden's pick for a VP, suchmoon I'm pretty sure you have a guaranteed win for this bet. Michelle Obama is someone that's going to win independents even though she doesn't have political experience. People are immediately going to associate her with Obama's policies and Obama is still incredibly popular with moderate democrats. I expected Kamala Harris and speculated that she dropped out early because Biden's campaign cut her a deal for some position in his administration, but I could see Michelle Obama taking the same spot.


Kamala for SoS, maybe? That was what Obama did for Hillary back in '08.

I feel like Kamala would be more likely to be tapped as attorney general with her background.

Still leaning towards Amy as VP pick.  She's least controversial and would probably give him a decent boost in Michigan and Wisconsin in the general election.

I feel like there's only a very small chance Michelle Obama will end up on the ticket, but who knows.  It would be interesting if she does though.  I could see Trump playing the 'you want another 8 years of Obama?' card...and the reaction being 'uhhh, yeah. please.'

[squatz1]

Joe is on his way out. Meet your new Dem pick. https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00745075/1403629

It literally is committeee for her to be picked for VP. God if this is real and something that happens, I swear to god that's insane. This is literally just going to be another Obama presidency if that is the case. Honestly what am I saying, it's going to be an Obama presidency either way if Biden is elected. They (Biden and Obama) are pretty much the same.

..... Biden is totally not picking his VP right now, too far out and people don't care. They care a lot more about Coronavirus updates.

If Michelle Obama is Joe Biden's pick for a VP, suchmoon I'm pretty sure you have a guaranteed win for this bet. Michelle Obama is someone that's going to win independents even though she doesn't have political experience. People are immediately going to associate her with Obama's policies and Obama is still incredibly popular with moderate democrats. I expected Kamala Harris and speculated that she dropped out early because Biden's campaign cut her a deal for some position in his administration, but I could see Michelle Obama taking the same spot.


Kamala for SoS, maybe? That was what Obama did for Hillary back in '08.

I'm totally going to have to disagree with this. Who in gods fucking name is asking for Michelle Obama to be on the ticket, I think we're pretty sure that not even Michelle Obama wants that to be the case.

Obama is incredibly popular within the democratic party yes, but Michelle Obama is just his wife. That's all. That's like saying just because Bill Clinton was a very popular President then Hillary Clinton has a LOCK on the presidency. We know she didn't, as she lost the Democratic primary in 2008 (to Obama) and lost the Presidential Election to Trump in 2016.

Kamala supported some HEAVY conservative policies (at least at the time) when she was the AG for California, which is actually one of the big reasons that African American people hate her.

[Gyfts]

Please correct me if I am wrong but in that scenario surely Michelle Obama would have to be a serving elected official (Congresswoman/Senator) to be considered as a running mate for Vice-President therefore she is definitely out of the picture.

You don't necessarily have to have political experience to be picked for VP. Historically, VP's are usually introduced to give a multi-dimensional ticket and make up for where the main candidate is lacking, not always the case though. Biden's approach is ensuring that he's picking a woman. John McCain took a similar approach and picked Sarah Palin. Picking someone with political experience is definitely the norm and I guess being a former First Lady is some sort of political role.

I feel like Kamala would be more likely to be tapped as attorney general with her background.

Still leaning towards Amy as VP pick.  She's least controversial and would probably give him a decent boost in Michigan and Wisconsin in the general election.

I feel like there's only a very small chance Michelle Obama will end up on the ticket, but who knows.  It would be interesting if she does though.  I could see Trump playing the 'you want another 8 years of Obama?' card...and the reaction being 'uhhh, yeah. please.'

Maybe Biden would put her as AG, but her record as AG is atrocious, locking up people for crimes with marijuana, refusing to push death penalty charges against cop killers, and refusing to investigate police misconduct. Tulsi Gabbard slaughtered Kamala Harris's record of being California's AG on a debate stage so there is no secret about it. Good piece about it here - https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

I don't necessarily disagree with some of her positions as AG, but I don't think it will sit too well with the progressives. Amy Klobuchar is by far the safest pick possible for Biden -- agree with you there. Kamala is about as equally safe, but with Kamala he gets the "women of color" intersectional advantage.

Also nearly forgot, in 2016, Hillary only won Minnesota by 1.5 points. So having Klobuchar as Biden's VP pick would ensure a Minnesota victory. So that's something to consider too.

I'm totally going to have to disagree with this. Who in gods fucking name is asking for Michelle Obama to be on the ticket, I think we're pretty sure that not even Michelle Obama wants that to be the case.

Obama is incredibly popular within the democratic party yes, but Michelle Obama is just his wife. That's all. That's like saying just because Bill Clinton was a very popular President then Hillary Clinton has a LOCK on the presidency. We know she didn't, as she lost the Democratic primary in 2008 (to Obama) and lost the Presidential Election to Trump in 2016.

Kamala supported some HEAVY conservative policies (at least at the time) when she was the AG for California, which is actually one of the big reasons that African American people hate her.

To your point, I don't know why you would want Michelle Obama as a VP pick, maybe because it makes people feel good and reminds them of the Obama administration, who knows, but she still is very popular among the moderates.

Hillary Clinton had a miserable record as First Lady, failing at trying to push her healthcare plan through, yet she cruised her way through easily through the 08 primaries getting beat out by Obama only during the home stretch. She was winning states overwhelmingly, all for what? Just being the wife of a former President apparently. Same applies with the 2016 nomination. So clearly there is value in being a former First Lady and you're able to garner support. Hillary is a poor example because she didn't make it to the general in 2008, or win it in 2016, but again, former First Lady's have base support in place.

[TECSHARE]

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

[suchmoon]

Obama is incredibly popular within the democratic party yes, but Michelle Obama is just his wife. That's all. That's like saying just because Bill Clinton was a very popular President then Hillary Clinton has a LOCK on the presidency. We know she didn't, as she lost the Democratic primary in 2008 (to Obama) and lost the Presidential Election to Trump in 2016.

MO is very popular in her own right and she could boost Biden's chances but she's said many times that she doesn't want to run for any elected office. Even if she decided to change that opinion, joining this shitshow of a campaign would be borderline suicidal. There are far better options for starting one's political career.

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

Oh don't beat yourself up about your failed 2018 predictions. I'm sure you have more than a sliver of a chance this year.

[squatz1]

Obama is incredibly popular within the democratic party yes, but Michelle Obama is just his wife. That's all. That's like saying just because Bill Clinton was a very popular President then Hillary Clinton has a LOCK on the presidency. We know she didn't, as she lost the Democratic primary in 2008 (to Obama) and lost the Presidential Election to Trump in 2016.

MO is very popular in her own right and she could boost Biden's chances but she's said many times that she doesn't want to run for any elected office. Even if she decided to change that opinion, joining this shitshow of a campaign would be borderline suicidal. There are far better options for starting one's political career.

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

Oh don't beat yourself up about your failed 2018 predictions. I'm sure you have more than a sliver of a chance this year.

Kids would just meme the shit out of her joining the campaign, talking about how she would take their good food away. The kids that she 'took' the food away from are going to be voting this year I'm pretty sure, so yeah.

But you're totally right about this being suicidal to start a political campaign from. If she wants to start, work your way up from the rep / senate level in your state (IL) where they're very popular. (Pretty sure they're more popular in IL then HI)

[TECSHARE]

Oh don't beat yourself up about your failed 2018 predictions. I'm sure you have more than a sliver of a chance this year.

No argument? Reject reality and substitute your own, and project. That is the Suchgoon way.

[TwitchySeal]

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

I'm not confident at all about what's going to happen in November.
You seem to be though.

Why not just be civil instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you?

[sirazimuth]

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

I'm not confident at all about what's going to happen in November.
You seem to be though.

Why not just be civil instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you?

The dude has obviously got anger management issues.

[squatz1]

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

I'm not confident at all about what's going to happen in November.
You seem to be though.

Why not just be civil instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you?

I honestly missed the fact that he attacked me, but I see it now. Not going to quote what he said cause who cares.

Unsure on why I was even attacked so personally though. I'm literally talking about the fact that I don't think the best way forward is to open up the economy right now. I think we need to take more time to keep places closed and to establish plans for opening the economy. Yes, some people are going to lose money here, but I'd rather have people lose money then have more people die.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I accept that, but I don't think that any of the personal attacks are needed here. At ALL.

[dupeddonk]

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

I'm not confident at all about what's going to happen in November.
You seem to be though.

Why not just be civil instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you?

The dude has obviously got anger management issues.

personally i enjoy watching twitch make him dance.

[suchmoon]

But you're totally right about this being suicidal to start a political campaign from. If she wants to start, work your way up from the rep / senate level in your state (IL) where they're very popular. (Pretty sure they're more popular in IL then HI)

If I were an evil DNC conspiracy planner I'd send Obamas somewhere like Georgia or Mississippi and try to take a Senate seat from Republicans. IL is too blue and too corrupt.

No argument? Reject reality and substitute your own, and project. That is the Suchgoon way.

Arguing with your fantasies is not very high on my priority list. If you don't have anything even remotely related to the 2020 presidential election you should find another thread to troll.

[squatz1]

But you're totally right about this being suicidal to start a political campaign from. If she wants to start, work your way up from the rep / senate level in your state (IL) where they're very popular. (Pretty sure they're more popular in IL then HI)

If I were an evil DNC conspiracy planner I'd send Obamas somewhere like Georgia or Mississippi and try to take a Senate seat from Republicans. IL is too blue and too corrupt.

Probably possible to win the seat in Georgia, cant see a win in Mississippi though. Kinda only saying IL and HI because of Barrack Obama living in HI as a child, and being the former senator from IL.

Georgia is really possible though when you think about it. Stacey Abrams was VERY close to winning the state, I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle could get that last half a percent to pull off a win.

Though all of this is saying that she wants to do it. They probably earned enough favors to be able to live off for their lives. They'll be fine with all the movie deals, book deals, and consulting for companies if needed.

[TECSHARE]

Arguing with your fantasies is not very high on my priority list. If you don't have anything even remotely related to the 2020 presidential election you should find another thread to troll.

Clearly arguing for your fantasies are a priority. You silly twats don't have a chance in hell in November exactly because you take every opportunity to be as delusional as possible, and even those within your own party are walking out as a result. Keep dreaming as you see yourself out.

[eddie13]

While I would consider myself a republican and would say that I do love freedom and liberty and all of that, I don't understand people who are complaing about the stay at home orders.

Because they are "ORDERS" and we do not stand for that shit..
We would be much more likely to accept and follow intelligent "recommendations" against exercising certain rights of ours outlined in the bill of rights, but "ORDERS"? Heh.. They are barking up the wrong tree..


Michael Obama is a gross tranny..

[dupeddonk]

But you're totally right about this being suicidal to start a political campaign from. If she wants to start, work your way up from the rep / senate level in your state (IL) where they're very popular. (Pretty sure they're more popular in IL then HI)

If I were an evil DNC conspiracy planner I'd send Obamas somewhere like Georgia or Mississippi and try to take a Senate seat from Republicans. IL is too blue and too corrupt.

Probably possible to win the seat in Georgia, cant see a win in Mississippi though. Kinda only saying IL and HI because of Barrack Obama living in HI as a child, and being the former senator from IL.

Georgia is really possible though when you think about it. Stacey Abrams was VERY close to winning the state, I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle could get that last half a percent to pull off a win.

Though all of this is saying that she wants to do it. They probably earned enough favors to be able to live off for their lives. They'll be fine with all the movie deals, book deals, and consulting for companies if needed.

not sure about mississippi but georgia could be close.  probably easier for the dems to flip georgia than hold alabama bc sessions or tuber will be much tougher to beat than roy moore was. 

[squatz1]

While I would consider myself a republican and would say that I do love freedom and liberty and all of that, I don't understand people who are complaing about the stay at home orders.

Because they are "ORDERS" and we do not stand for that shit..
We would be much more likely to accept and follow intelligent "recommendations" against exercising certain rights of ours outlined in the bill of rights, but "ORDERS"? Heh.. They are barking up the wrong tree..


Michael Obama is a gross tranny..

But what's the other way of dealing with this issue? I understand the anti government sentiment and all of that, but I'm unsure what the plan to fix this if you aren't just sitting at home minding your own business. This virus spreads when people are out and about with one another.

Would you support an order to wear masks while you're in public (as NY and many states have done)

What would you support to stop this from spreading?

Because as of right now in the US we're at approx 100k deaths, and by June 20th models are predicting we'll be at another 20k deaths putting the grand total at 120k deaths.

[TECSHARE]

But what's the other way of dealing with this issue? I understand the anti government sentiment and all of that, but I'm unsure what the plan to fix this if you aren't just sitting at home minding your own business. This virus spreads when people are out and about with one another.

Would you support an order to wear masks while you're in public (as NY and many states have done)

What would you support to stop this from spreading?

Because as of right now in the US we're at approx 100k deaths, and by June 20th models are predicting we'll be at another 20k deaths putting the grand total at 120k deaths.

Refusing to be a subject of unconstitutional government mandates does not equal being anti-government.

[TECSHARE]

You're pretty anti-government though.  It has nothing to do with the virus.

Back in Feb/March, what actions could the government have taken to control the virus that you would've supported?

I assume blocking travel from countries with outbreaks right?
What about things that would affect you directly?  Like reducing number of people allowed in a restaurant, or requiring masks when unable to social distance?

I don't know what I would do without you here to tell me what my own opinions are. I support recommendations and guidelines. I do not support illegal unconstitutional mandates. You will note I was the first one here on the forum raising the alarm over the issue, and I was supportive of these actions until they became illegal and destructive mandates.