[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[PrimeNumber7]

Do you think this possibly has something to do with him hoping to sell more copies of his new book? Do you think this possibly has something to do with if he can present himself as a political enemy of Trump, it will be politically difficult to prosecute Bolton for disseminating classified information via the publishing of his book?

I have seen a number of high profile Republicans become "never Trump Republicans" solely business/income purposes (as far as I can tell). The "mooch" is another that comes to mind.

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[TwitchySeal]

Do you think this possibly has something to do with him hoping to sell more copies of his new book?

I think all the interviews we'll see from him over the next week are so are part of his Simon and Schuster contract - so yeah it definitely has something to do with it.  I wish he would've spilled the beans sooner though.

Do you think this possibly has something to do with if he can present himself as a political enemy of Trump, it will be politically difficult to prosecute Bolton for disseminating classified information via the publishing of his book?

No.  I think Trump is mad because the book is politically damaging to himself, not the country.

He has a history of trying to discredit people he view as a threat by spreading misinformation - like claiming they are a criminal and will be locked up soon for what they did.  That's what's happening here.

I have seen a number of high profile Republicans become "never Trump Republicans" solely business/income purposes (as far as I can tell). The "mooch" is another that comes to mind.

I don't think it's fair to assume that someone who turned on Trump and made money writing a book on it did it solely for the money.  There are plenty of Republicans who were never Trumpers since before he took office, plenty who turned on him and didn't make a dime, and I suspect plenty more that have remained silent so far simply because standing up to Trump means he will probably attack you and lie about you and millions of Americans will believe whatever he says about you and maybe even your family.


https://data.ddosecrets.com/file/The%20Room%20Where%20It%20Happened%20-%20John%20Bolton.pdf

[sirazimuth]

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I doubt half these rally retards even finished high school ffs.

https://twitter.com/janemarielynch/status/1274512067119116289

nuff said....

[dupeddonk]

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I doubt half these rally retards even finished high school ffs.

https://twitter.com/janemarielynch/status/1274512067119116289

nuff said....

If Mueller wrote an 8th grade reading level version of his report Pence would be president right now.

[squatz1]

In regards to the Trump rallies and everyone yelling and screaming about it not being filled to full occupancy -- I mean, what the fuck? Obviously tons of people weren't going to be comfortable with filling a place like this up.

Many Twitter, TikTok, and other people fucking around with Trumps rally tickets and reservation systems so even if more people wanted to go their ticket may have been given to a troll.

You've got people like Pink going on twitter and saying they've sold out centers like that in 5 mins -- DOUBT YA DID THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING PANDEMIC.

Lord. I didn't agree with holding a rally, but lord these people will jump on anything if it fits their worldview.

[suchmoon]

Lord. I didn't agree with holding a rally, but lord these people will jump on anything if it fits their worldview.

I think what makes it so schadenfreudy is that the Trump campaign was in complete delusion about this rally. Like the Brad Parscale's tweet above or this from Trump himself:

We expect to have a record-setting crowd. We’ve never had an empty seat, and we certainly won’t in Oklahoma.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-speaks-half-empty-arena-tulsa.html

It was still a huge crowd but a great example of woefully mismanaged expectations and terrible handling of the fallout - blaming media, protesters, etc.

[squatz1]

Lord. I didn't agree with holding a rally, but lord these people will jump on anything if it fits their worldview.

I think what makes it so schadenfreudy is that the Trump campaign was in complete delusion about this rally. Like the Brad Parscale's tweet above or this from Trump himself:

We expect to have a record-setting crowd. We’ve never had an empty seat, and we certainly won’t in Oklahoma.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-speaks-half-empty-arena-tulsa.html

It was still a huge crowd but a great example of woefully mismanaged expectations and terrible handling of the fallout - blaming media, protesters, etc.

Yet again we land back at what they could've said instead.

"Great Rally in Oklahoma, even with the horrible Coroaonvirus, we were able to safely have a 6000 person (or so) rally in OK. Great crowds, wonderful people, these crowds are going to be HUGE when all of this blows over"

Obviously none of that is what Trump personally would like to say, nor what his die hard fans would like to hear, so yeah -- we're back in this weird situation where people are left arguing about --> Crowd Sizes.

Would be fair to lay some of the blame on trolls and such, but you need to go about it a different way.

[TwitchySeal]

I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

[JollyGood]

I wonder how Trump and his team feel when Stormy adds to the commentary in a public forum which essentially humiliates him.

What about social distancing within the arena during the rally? Considering the number of people affected with COVID-19 is increasing in record numbers in some states, why was the event allowed to go ahead?

Was it worth the risk for all those people that managed to attend the rally to face possible infection just for the sake of watching Trump while they wave some flags?

Was that a real tweet from Stormy Daniels or has somebody used Photoshop to spread Fake News again?

https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1274718489715052545?s=20

[TECSHARE]

I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

Isn't that the whole point of terrorism?

I wonder how Trump and his team feel when Stormy adds to the commentary in a public forum which essentially humiliates him.

No one gives a shit what that gold digging horse faced whore has to say.

[TwitchySeal]

I wonder how Trump and his team feel when Stormy adds to the commentary in a public forum which essentially humiliates him.

I don't think he really gets humiliated.  If someone brings it up to him he just plays the victim card.  "I never met her before, she's making it all up to make some money and she has a horse face I could do so much better if I wanted to".

I have to say, she handles his fan club pretty well.


https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1274898196058251265?s=20

[suchmoon]

I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

Isn't that the whole point of terrorism?

Trump's tweets are "terrorism" now? Didn't see that coming.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump likes suchmoons side of the bet.

[squatz1]

I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

Wouldn't be surprised about this as well. Who is going to want to leave their car at the parking lot beside the convention center where people KNOW that you HAVE to be a TRUMP SUPPORTER to be there.

Sounds like a death sentence for your car, not going to be fun trying to get home. Would much rather just watch it at home if you're interested. Plus ya know -- we do still have a worldwide pandemic that is ravaging the nation. Would rather not be shoulder to shoulder with people chanting along with Trump.

[TECSHARE]

I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

Wouldn't be surprised about this as well. Who is going to want to leave their car at the parking lot beside the convention center where people KNOW that you HAVE to be a TRUMP SUPPORTER to be there.

Sounds like a death sentence for your car, not going to be fun trying to get home. Would much rather just watch it at home if you're interested. Plus ya know -- we do still have a worldwide pandemic that is ravaging the nation. Would rather not be shoulder to shoulder with people chanting along with Trump.

Exactly. The point of terrorism is to use violence and intimidation to manipulate and effect political or ideological outcomes. These people are terrorists by the federal legal definition of the word.

[JollyGood]

Yes she certainly seems to have tamed the Trump fan club by posting in-their-faces tweets and not backing down using sarcasm rather than grotesque and vile language.

One day when it is all over for Trump (November 2020 or November 2024), I wonder if he will be sued by any of the women that made sexual harassment allegations against him.

The Guardian: She called her alleged sexual encounter with Trump in 2006, when he was already married to Melania Trump, “the worst 90 seconds of my life”: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/08/stormy-daniels-talks-about-trump-and-the-worst-90-seconds-of-my-life-on-stand-up-tour

I don't think he really gets humiliated.  If someone brings it up to him he just plays the victim card.  "I never met her before, she's making it all up to make some money and she has a horse face I could do so much better if I wanted to".

I have to say, she handles his fan club pretty well.


https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1274898196058251265?s=20

[nutildah]

It would appear Trump is getting cold feet about the election...



Of course, Trump wouldn't be Trump without undermining the validity of the institution he is the head executive of. The election of course hasn't happened yet, and he's already declaring it to be "rigged." Will this still be the case if he wins?

It's great that he can make such proclamations before something has happened, without any evidence whatsoever, and his followers will just unquestionably swallow them whole. That way if he loses, it wasn't his fault. And if he wins, well who cares what he said before because he already won.

[PrimeNumber7]

It would appear Trump is getting cold feet about the election...



Of course, Trump wouldn't be Trump without undermining the validity of the institution he is the head executive of. The election of course hasn't happened yet, and he's already declaring it to be "rigged." Will this still be the case if he wins?

It's great that he can make such proclamations before something has happened, without any evidence whatsoever, and his followers will just unquestionably swallow them whole. That way if he loses, it wasn't his fault. And if he wins, well who cares what he said before because he already won.

The elections are run by the states. The president has nothing to do with running the election.

[nutildah]

The elections are run by the states. The president has nothing to do with running the election.

You misinterpreted what I said. I didn't say Trump was "running the election." As the head of state, Trump is the top representative of the federal government -- the one that upholds the constitution which created the electoral college who elects the president. By claiming the vote is "rigged" before it even happens, he is undermining the constitution and thus the legitimacy of his own office.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for the reply but I think what you wrote is probably not true on several fronts.

Firstly, as far as I am aware I think her current profession is described as an "adult movie star". Secondly lots of people do care about what Stormy say as long as it is related to Trump because there is a comical aspect to it including what was stated in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/08/stormy-daniels-talks-about-trump-and-the-worst-90-seconds-of-my-life-on-stand-up-tour

I do not know how she can be described as a gold digger. By all intent and purposes it seems Trump had an approximate 90 second sexual relationship with Stormy while he was married to his wife Melania. When he entered the race to become President his past was always going to catch up with him therefore it seems a payment was received by Stormy in order for her to stay silent about their affair. In my opinion receiving a payment for signing a supposedly legally binding non-disclosure document does not constitute anything close to the allegation you made against her.

Maybe Trump has no interest in what Stormy says but she may yet provide to be play a massive part in his downfall. Add along to that various women that alleged sexual misconduct on his part it still might bring about his political end in the November 2020 Presidential elections. The manner in which Trump disgraced himself with highly questionable statements regarding the current massive public demonstrations, it too just might contribute towards his failure making him a one-term President.

I wonder how Trump and his team feel when Stormy adds to the commentary in a public forum which essentially humiliates him.

No one gives a shit what that gold digging horse faced whore has to say.