[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[El duderino_]

So we ain't getting this 

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[nutildah]

Well he just 'claimed' enough electoral votes to win, so I guess that's that

He called dibs on them before Biden did, that means they're his. That's how it works.

Michigan is being pretty F'd up.. Some strange vote jumps 100% for biden, and atleast 1 case of voter machines overvoting for the left (to put it nicely)..
Antrim county Michigan fakes Biden votes???!!!

Some "wonky" stuff going down..

Lol bro. The whole story is some guy in a tiny Michigan county said, "Hey, this doesn't seem right!" Meanwhile Antrim county has officially reported 0% of their vote.

Got a link for your "overvoting" story?

[eddie13]

Well he just 'claimed' enough electoral votes to win, so I guess that's that

He called dibs on them before Biden did, that means they're his. That's how it works.

Michigan is being pretty F'd up.. Some strange vote jumps 100% for biden, and atleast 1 case of voter machines overvoting for the left (to put it nicely)..
Antrim county Michigan fakes Biden votes???!!!

Some "wonky" stuff going down..

Lol bro. The whole story is some guy in a tiny Michigan county said, "Hey, this doesn't seem right!" Meanwhile Antrim county has officially reported 0% of their vote.

Got a link for your "overvoting" story?

It was reported until it got caught, then it was taken down..
Same computer voting system used in 33 other Michigan counties..

[nullius]

Doublethink:  An illustration of the liberal mind, its hypocrisy, and its self-serving delusions:

The trumpening is happening...

[—wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

[—wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

[—extremely wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

Some "wonky" stuff going down..

Lol bro. [...] Got a link for your [] story?

I observed the same phenomenon in 2016–17:  Liberals who sneer at hard evidence of real conspiracies were insanely convinced that Russia controlled the election, and Trump stole it.

Actually, they do this every day.  It is just how their minds work.


Protip:  If Trump had the balls to seize the presidency by some more or less not-quite-legal means, then in his first two years, he would have (a) completely sealed the border with Mexico, (b) deported a few zillion of the liberals’ very most favourite contributors to a vibrant American society and “culture” (newsflash: America never had a culture), (c) run through the entrenched Federal bureaucracy like a bull in a china shop, (d) otherwise given you genetically lachrymose liberals something real to cry about—something beyond grandstanding Tweets.

Two examples of U.S. presidents who basically did whatever the fuck they wanted were Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  Study the history of what they did to ram their ways through all opposition, and try to imagine how liberals would react if Trump were to do even a tiny fraction as much.

Of course, I have cited two presidents whom liberals will never criticize in any way—even if one of them was from the Republican Party.

[sirazimuth]

suchmoons odds etc... (and hopefully, my last copypasta post on this matter)

https://www.vegaselectionodds.com/

[hornetsnest]

[philipma1957]

Michigan is being pretty F'd up.. Some strange vote jumps 100% for biden, and atleast 1 case of voter machines overvoting for the left (to put it nicely)..
Antrim county Michigan fakes Biden votes???!!!

Some "wonky" stuff going down..

what happens if this goes to court like gore v bush ?

does not matter who wins now?

just the court decision counts?

it looks like biden will be declared unofficial winner late tonight or early tomorrow.

do you pay up or do we wait til December to see what the court does?

[suchmoon]

suchmoons odds etc... (and hopefully, my last copypasta post on this matter)

https://www.vegaselectionodds.com/

Only -500... I would have thought Biden would be -5000 by now. Not too many ways for Trump to win anymore.

what happens if this goes to court like gore v bush ?

does not matter who wins now?

just the court decision counts?

it looks like biden will be declared unofficial winner late tonight or early tomorrow.

do you pay up or do we wait til December to see what the court does?

It's based on the electoral college results. So if courts make decisions affecting EC - it may affect the bet as well.

[philipma1957]

Doublethink:  An illustration of the liberal mind, its hypocrisy, and its self-serving delusions:

The trumpening is happening...

[—wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

[—wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

[—extremely wild conspiracy theories about Trump—]

Some "wonky" stuff going down..

Lol bro. [...] Got a link for your [] story?

I observed the same phenomenon in 2016–17:  Liberals who sneer at hard evidence of real conspiracies were insanely convinced that Russia controlled the election, and Trump stole it.

Actually, they do this every day.  It is just how their minds work.


Protip:  If Trump had the balls to seize the presidency by some more or less not-quite-legal means, then in his first two years, he would have (a) completely sealed the border with Mexico, (b) deported a few zillion of the liberals’ very most favourite contributors to a vibrant American society and “culture” (newsflash: America never had a culture), (c) run through the entrenched Federal bureaucracy like a bull in a china shop, (d) otherwise given you genetically lachrymose liberals something real to cry about—something beyond grandstanding Tweets.

Two examples of U.S. presidents who basically did whatever the fuck they wanted were Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  Study the history of what they did to ram their ways through all opposition, and try to imagine how liberals would react if Trump were to do even a tiny fraction as much.

Of course, I have cited two presidents whom liberals will never criticize in any way—even if one of them was from the Republican Party.

you simply don’t remember that republicans had many types

A) liberals
B) centrists
C) conservatives

lastly

Democrats had a group of

A) liberals
B) centrists
C) conservatives

Now in America

Liberal = Democrat
Conservative = Republican

This is not good.

[Gyfts]

Election is over. Trump will not win AZ.

Thought it was close until AZ flipped blue. Trump outperformed and so did senate/house republicans. Guess this is the silver lining.

I don’t think it is productive to chalk this election to voter fraud. I think too many Republicans won’t want Trump to concede. That’s literally the conversation amongst Republican groups rn.

[PrimeNumber7]

Election is over. Trump will not win AZ.

Trump still has a chance in AZ, as in NV. He could also possibly flip WI. MI seems less likely.

Trump has outperformed predictions across the board. The same is true for down-ballot races. Some were predicting Democrats to pick up as many as 15 House seats, and there was a prediction on election night that Democrats would pick up 5 House seats, however Republicans ended up gaining at least 5 House seats, and it seems likely they will flip as many as an additional 7 House seats. Democrats were also favored to flip the Senate, however, that also looks especially unlikely at this time.  

America is not the world-police.

While I agree with this, the above does not mean the rest of the world can do whatever they want without consequence. If a person on the forum is acting in a way I do not like, I may be uninclined to transact business with that person. This is very similar to what Trump was threatening to do with regard to Turkey. Trump has also gotten NATO allies to contribute to defense budgets, which should lead to any "police" action being lead by a broad collation rather than the US alone.

[Gyfts]

Trump still has a chance in AZ, as in NV. He could also possibly flip WI. MI seems less likely.

Trump has outperformed predictions across the board. The same is true for down-ballot races. Some were predicting Democrats to pick up as many as 15 House seats, and there was a prediction on election night that Democrats would pick up 5 House seats, however Republicans ended up gaining at least 5 House seats, and it seems likely they will flip as many as an additional 7 House seats. Democrats were also favored to flip the Senate, however, that also looks especially unlikely at this time.  

I'm not optimistic at all. Seems like we're getting our hopes up for nothing. Fox News was the first org. to call AZ then AP called AZ. Fox covered this election fairly and I don't think they'd risk calling AZ early.

Nate Silver talked about it being too early to call which gave me hope but being down 3 points + is what bothers me.

[Josefjix]

Joe Biden is such a quiet performer, Trump was so loud both on twitter and every time he appears for interviews one would think he has the power to re-elect himself without the people's mandate. It serves him and everyone who is loudmouthed like him to learn to control his expressions. Congratulations to Biden.

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump still has a chance in AZ, as in NV. He could also possibly flip WI. MI seems less likely.

Trump has outperformed predictions across the board. The same is true for down-ballot races. Some were predicting Democrats to pick up as many as 15 House seats, and there was a prediction on election night that Democrats would pick up 5 House seats, however Republicans ended up gaining at least 5 House seats, and it seems likely they will flip as many as an additional 7 House seats. Democrats were also favored to flip the Senate, however, that also looks especially unlikely at this time. 

I'm not optimistic at all. Seems like we're getting our hopes up for nothing. Fox News was the first org. to call AZ then AP called AZ. Fox covered this election fairly and I don't think they'd risk calling AZ early.

Nate Silver talked about it being too early to call which gave me hope but being down 3 points + is what bothers me.

I would say that NV or AZ going Trump's way is more likely than WI or MI. NV (and to a lesser extent, AZ) has an economy that is heavily based on tourism, and tourism is not possible when the country is locked down. Trump may perform better in Reno and Vegas than he might do in other cities because of the tourism employees voting Trump to avoid lockdown related layoffs and casinos going out of business that would happen under a Biden administration.

In AZ, it will really come down to Maricopa county. I understand he needs about 57% of the remaining vote in Maricopa county to stay competitive in AZ.

Flipping one of AZ, NV, WI or MI would likely put Trump back in the White House until 2024. It may come down to a court case making it to the SC. Trump can also technically still win even if he does not flip any of those states, but otherwise runs the table (takes PA, GA, and NC). If Trump were to stop any of AZ, NV, WI, or MI from casting their electrical votes, Biden would not make it to 270, and Congress would elect the President with each state getting one vote, and Republicans hold the advantage.

[squatz1]

Trump still has a chance in AZ, as in NV. He could also possibly flip WI. MI seems less likely.

Trump has outperformed predictions across the board. The same is true for down-ballot races. Some were predicting Democrats to pick up as many as 15 House seats, and there was a prediction on election night that Democrats would pick up 5 House seats, however Republicans ended up gaining at least 5 House seats, and it seems likely they will flip as many as an additional 7 House seats. Democrats were also favored to flip the Senate, however, that also looks especially unlikely at this time. 

I'm not optimistic at all. Seems like we're getting our hopes up for nothing. Fox News was the first org. to call AZ then AP called AZ. Fox covered this election fairly and I don't think they'd risk calling AZ early.

Nate Silver talked about it being too early to call which gave me hope but being down 3 points + is what bothers me.

I would say that NV or AZ going Trump's way is more likely than WI or MI. NV (and to a lesser extent, AZ) has an economy that is heavily based on tourism, and tourism is not possible when the country is locked down. Trump may perform better in Reno and Vegas than he might do in other cities because of the tourism employees voting Trump to avoid lockdown related layoffs and casinos going out of business that would happen under a Biden administration.

In AZ, it will really come down to Maricopa county. I understand he needs about 57% of the remaining vote in Maricopa county to stay competitive in AZ.

Flipping one of AZ, NV, WI or MI would likely put Trump back in the White House until 2024. It may come down to a court case making it to the SC. Trump can also technically still win even if he does not flip any of those states, but otherwise runs the table (takes PA, GA, and NC). If Trump were to stop any of AZ, NV, WI, or MI from casting their electrical votes, Biden would not make it to 270, and Congress would elect the President with each state getting one vote, and Republicans hold the advantage.

WI and MI have both been called for Biden.

AZ has been called for Biden as well, though it seems like this call may have been too early. News reports are saying that with the amount of absentee ballots Trump could still pull the state back. - If Biden ends up winning this, then NV can decide the fate of this election.

NV has not been called, it's close right now as they're counting the absentee ballots. I think Trump will pull through and win this.

I agree with the analysis about AZ and NV regarding the tourism industry and why they'll be a bit happier to turn to Trump regarding opening the economy.

GA is going to be tight, Pennsylvania as well. Friday will probably be when we hear about these.

[suchmoon]

AZ has been called for Biden as well, though it seems like this call may have been too early. News reports are saying that with the amount of absentee ballots Trump could still pull the state back. - If Biden ends up winning this, then NV can decide the fate of this election.

NV has not been called, it's close right now as they're counting the absentee ballots. I think Trump will pull through and win this.

I agree with the analysis about AZ and NV regarding the tourism industry and why they'll be a bit happier to turn to Trump regarding opening the economy.

GA is going to be tight, Pennsylvania as well. Friday will probably be when we hear about these.

The numbers that are trickling in from AZ don't show the 60:40 advantage that Trump needed to close the gap. And he probably needs more than that now (fewer uncounted votes remain).

PA on the other hand shows 70-80% Biden's advantage in mail-ins and he needs about 60% to close the gap.

Difference in GA is ~12800 votes and ~50000 left to count. This is almost certainly heading to a recount.

[eddie13]

I was hoping, if I lost, that it would be clear enough for me to just pay up by now..
But I don't think it is, and shittily I think it might be a while yet..

Quite happy that Trump atleast BTFO the pollsters..

[nutildah]

It does seem unreasonable for the (whatever) electoral committees to ask people to wait past Friday. At the very least they should know they have to do a recount here or there by Friday. Seems like they should have hired people working in shifts around the clock to count these votes faster. Maybe they did, I dunno. But its like cmon already.

[suchmoon]

It does seem unreasonable for the (whatever) electoral committees to ask people to wait past Friday. At the very least they should know they have to do a recount here or there by Friday. Seems like they should have hired people working in shifts around the clock to count these votes faster. Maybe they did, I dunno. But its like cmon already.

It's probably not just hiring more people. I know in my county they can't really count the mail-ins any faster due to other constraints - scanners etc. And it's not like the state gave them unlimited funds to do it. And there's a shitload of mail-in ballots this year.

[JollyGood]

Have to say one about Trump, like him or loathe him the fact remains he got more votes this time round than he did in 2016. Rather than get less votes than in 2016 he increased it and that is saying something about the fact that so much of the USA (mainly the mid-west) actually believe in a lot of what Trump stood for so credit has to go to Trump and his team...

... having said that, he can cry all he likes about voter (mail) fraud and lack of poll observers and so on - the evidence suggests Biden will win the race to the White House and Trump will be a one-term President.

I was hoping, if I lost, that it would be clear enough for me to just pay up by now..
But I don't think it is, and shittily I think it might be a while yet..

Quite happy that Trump atleast BTFO the pollsters..