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December 16, 2019, 04:11:30 PM
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There's a strong gang here
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain that my earlier post in this thread was the first time I have weighed in on this drama whatsoever, and I didn't even address the drama or you directly but instead responded to a couple of points made by another user. I'm therefore not sure with what evidence you suggest I'm making fun of you, making you a slave, demanding power, or any of the other claims you have made.

eddie13's post above which I have merited is bang on the money. If you are voted on to DT1, for good or bad then you are going to be subjected to scrutiny. The same is true in public life with politicians, CEOs, royalty, etc. With a position on DT1 then your trust list no longer only makes a difference to you, but now makes a difference to the 2 million or so accounts using default trust. You will be held to higher standard. No one cares if a newbie trusts a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, because only that newbie will see their ratings. If you, as a DT1 member, trust a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, suddenly their ratings become "trusted" for 2 million other accounts.

This scrutiny has happened many times before. A few months ago there was a similar drama with another local section that I am hesitant to mention so it doesn't get brought up again. There has been similar scrutiny of various very established accounts (again, I won't name names), but including very trusted users and staff members. The expectation on the forum generally seems to be that as a DT1 member, you will be mature enough to consider the evidence presented and remove any proven scammers from your trust list. Failure to do so will generally result in you being removed from DT1.

I've essentially stayed out of this drama thus far, because honestly, I'm getting a little tired of all the different but endless drama that goes on in the forum, but in this case I'll agree with the posters above that your current behavior is not winning you any friends.

firstly the title is not about me Wink
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December 16, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
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Satoshi's forum should be a fairer, more impartial and inclusive platform Cool

It's super inclusive. Allows shitposting ban-evading sockpuppeting scammers to do whatever they want here.

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December 16, 2019, 04:20:19 PM
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Satoshi's forum should be a fairer, more impartial and inclusive platform Cool

It's super inclusive. Allows shitposting ban-evading sockpuppeting scammers to do whatever they want here.


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but we can't discuss you, NO NO NO Wink
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December 16, 2019, 04:22:16 PM
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the big thieves are stealing the forum, in front of everyone
If you are going to make claims like this, then the least you can do is have the decency to name who you are accusing and what you are accusing them of? Who is stealing from the forum, and what are they stealing? Specifics, please.

Satoshi's forum should be a fairer, more impartial and inclusive platform
This forum probably has the laxest rules regarding free speech of any online community I know, even letting scams shill their Ponzi schemes and letting users troll multiple threads with utter nonsense. If that's not impartial, then I don't know what is. There is a very easy to follow list of rules available here, and it is entirely fair that everyone is required to follow them equally.

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December 16, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
Last edit: December 16, 2019, 07:34:45 PM by Vispilio
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eddie13's post above which I have merited is bang on the money. If you are voted on to DT1, for good or bad then you are going to be subjected to scrutiny. The same is true in public life with politicians, CEOs, royalty, etc. With a position on DT1 then your trust list no longer only makes a difference to you, but now makes a difference to the 2 million or so accounts using default trust. You will be held to higher standard. No one cares if a newbie trusts a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, because only that newbie will see their ratings. If you, as a DT1 member, trust a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, suddenly their ratings become "trusted" for 2 million other accounts.

This scrutiny has happened many times before. A few months ago there was a similar drama with another local section that I am hesitant to mention so it doesn't get brought up again. There has been similar scrutiny of various very established accounts (again, I won't name names), but including very trusted users and staff members. The expectation on the forum generally seems to be that as a DT1 member, you will be mature enough to consider the evidence presented and remove any proven scammers from your trust list. Failure to do so will generally result in you being removed from DT1.

I've essentially stayed out of this drama thus far, because honestly, I'm getting a little tired of all the different but endless drama that goes on in the forum, but in this case I'll agree with the posters above that your current behavior is not winning you any friends.

You and Eddie13 raised some excellent points. There is great merit in DT members being subjected to a higher scrutiny.

Problems and as you correctly noted "endless dramas" arise when some public avengers and vindictive members take it upon themselves to use the righteous pretext of "cleaning up DT / Forum / whatever" to pursue their so blatantly bitter and spiteful personal vendettas against certain people or groups of people, in this case the Turkish section; the very mention of this section continues to trigger defense mechanisms and ad hominem attacks amongst some veteran forum members (thus leading to the accusations of Dalton Gang by Wolwoo, although I'm excepting Foxpup, s/he seems completely blameless in this episode)... Wink

I wonder what Darkstar_, who holds the keys to the most coveted bounty in the forum makes of all this. You and some other enlightened members usually exhibit excellent professionalism and would be welcome by most companies to represent their brand; however recent evidence suggests that most rational people would agree the same cannot be said for some other members who are currently wearing the Chipmixer signature...

As a famous Turkish anchorman often says "I'm merely asking"  Grin

I bet a lot of people value a spot on the Chipmixer signature far higher in their priorities than a spot on DT, so I believe it would only make sense the lofty code of conduct expected from DT members is also directed towards some of the deep rooted, calcified Chipmixer campaign (ab)users...

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December 16, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
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we can discuss everything locally, ok
you are discussing us, ok
but we can't discuss you, NO NO NO Wink

Well, we're discussing... something. It's not really my fault that you started a stupid thread with a stupid title and you can't stay focused on what it is that you're trying to say.

So what do you want to discuss, exactly? Still calling for a ban? Who needs to be banned? Robert, Emmett, and Gratton? Based on which rule?

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December 16, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
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pursue their so blatantly bitter and spiteful personal vendettas against certain people or groups of people, in this case the Turkish section
I'd ask you to read my third paragraph in this post again. This scrutiny has happened many times before, involving a variety of individuals and groups, and will happen many times again. It is not unique to the current drama involving Turkish members, nor is it a personal vendetta against Turkish members. The fact that it is being painted as such is a deflection from addressing the issues at hand, namely why DT1 members are including known scammers on their trust lists.

I wonder what Darkstar_, who holds the keys to the most coveted bounty in the forum makes of all this.
There is no direct link between ChipMixer and DT1. There is an overlap, sure, because both attract established and trustworthy users, but there is no direct correlation. I obviously don't speak for DarkStar_, but if you have concerns about the behavior of anyone wearing the signature, I'm sure he would be receptive to hearing them.

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December 16, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
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the big thieves are stealing the forum, in front of everyone
If you are going to make claims like this, then the least you can do is have the decency to name who you are accusing and what you are accusing them of? Who is stealing from the forum, and what are they stealing? Specifics, please.


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these merits are walking between there. Someone with three houses rents out and pays the fourth installment. Until I grow 1 account, there develop 10 legendary accounts.
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if not banned,
use multi accounts as they wish.
draws all accounts to their side in discussions
becomes invincible force, there is no one to oppose

men are muting everyone in the forum
but I don't shut up
I have only one soul, I sacrifice him for the truth that I know.

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December 16, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
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Being a DT member means that you are a DT in the whole forum, not just the local section. All DT members have to act according to this. First, attempting to correlate DarkStar_ and ChipMixer with DT is just off-the-mark likewise, DarkStar_ holding the forum funds have no connection with this as well. Him being one of the co-signers of the forum wallet does not mean he manages forum affairs.

As o_e_l_e_o said, DT members are prone to scrutiny. DT members represent the crucial core of the forum. In this case, there are no personal attacks on the Turkish community. This had happened before and is happening again. Nothing new. I have created a topic on the Turkish local boards a month or two ago, regarding that possibly anyone that I talk with there being a multi-account and I still stand behind my words. The amount of multi-accounts there is practically uncountable.

If anyone is in DT, uses multiple accounts, potentially abuses trust and merit system with said accounts... that's enough for anyone. Under scrutiny, someone is eventually going to divulge things.

I congratulate and thank marlboroza for their research. I must admit that I am saddened by what has been transpiring in the past few weeks here.
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December 16, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
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ok, it was known that this thread suspects will not "ban". (smiley in title)
but if you are accusing someone of something (for example: me being multi) you must have solid proof!
I can open 100 titles and accuse everyone of something. (I have that much capacity)
I can only scribble 100 people with merit statistics.
NOW
either take care of your men here or we will argue forever.
Those who have opened the title without proof must also be given an effective penalty. Accusing me of being multi-times here. I AM NOT
Those who bring the subject of accusatory flag-ban to others (Turkish or not) should be punished for being a detective if they cannot prove it.
I don't want to walk around with my fucking English.

but it doesn't change the fact that there is a gang here. I did everything I could. Since people are satisfied and do not make their voices there is nothing to do. but let them know that every time they attack me they will get the answer.


No I didn't. You've been on my distrust list for months. The only recent addition to my distrust list is otto_diesel. Or are you alts and just got your accounts mixed up?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181603.0


And that is great and I completely agree that every local section should have DT members, but not DT members like wolwoo aka The War Lord or otto_diesel aka The HeyHeyHeeey Guy, and judging the way how they express themselves and behave I am starting to believe they are altz. I mean it, I think they are alts. Or DT accounts like goraset "I didn't steal, I didn't copy/paste" and when I pointed banned alt accounts then "yes, I did".


etc etc...

And why do those who accuse me of being a alt always say "otto"? What is similar to otto Cheesy


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say "see otto = wolwoo"
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December 16, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
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ok, it was known that this thread suspects will not "ban". (smiley in title)

Why is this thread still in Meta then? Move it to Off Topic. And who the fuck are the "suspects"? Shit or get off the pot.

but if you are accusing someone of something (for example: me being multi) you must have solid proof!

marlboroza provided solid proof in 6 or 7 cases. What was your response to that... let's see:

I can open 100 titles and accuse everyone of something. (I have that much capacity)
Those who have opened the title without proof must also be given an effective penalty. Accusing me of being multi-times here. I AM NOT
Those who bring the subject of accusatory flag-ban to others (Turkish or not) should be punished for being a detective if they cannot prove it.

That's right, a bunch of false equivalences and other assorted fallacies, as well as drama-threats. You even declared "war" IIRC.

And that is great and I completely agree that every local section should have DT members, but not DT members like wolwoo aka The War Lord or otto_diesel aka The HeyHeyHeeey Guy, and judging the way how they express themselves and behave I am starting to believe they are altz. I mean it, I think they are alts. Or DT accounts like goraset "I didn't steal, I didn't copy/paste" and when I pointed banned alt accounts then "yes, I did".

"I think" makes it blatantly obvious that it's an opinion. Given how you unprompted jumped to attack marlboroza in that thread, it's not a baseless opinion but you're free to dislike it if you wish. Disliking someone's opinion it's not a good reason to call for a ban. Oh wait, you were joking about that. You can't even articulate who or what this thread is about.

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December 16, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
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you're the one who sends the shit. You want to bury someone guilty(!) or not guilty. Continue to exploit bitcointalk. when you send everyone, you post on your own.
happiness with your gang Cheesy
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if you make fake accusations to me, I'il come again Wink

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Some types have not given up
he's still slandering me  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.0

I think everything is very nice, birds, insects, water sounds, songs ...paradise

I've been elected twice. thanks to everyone Smiley

Exactly, insects, you got that right, seems that I missed your post, so you are the one who included scammer and ban evader to your trust list:



Second DT1 account which included scammer to trust list is:




And yes, you will see me very very active because I am very very pissed right now. Fucking scammers and ban evaders becoming DT1 members.


I will fight day and night with those who slander me


RETALIATE!!! MARLBOROZA HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT BAN EVADING PLAGIARIZING FUCKWITS IN DT!!!
TRUST ORGANIZED CRIMINAL MAFIA THREAT ABUSE GANG BANG BANG THEYMOS SEE THIS!

@wolwoo, first of all there is no gang, it is all in your head.

Second, if I remember correctly, and my memory still serves me well, when lauda was kicked out of DT (was it last year?) actmyname and I re-tagged many accounts, including me tagging account goraset.

It is not my problem if you don't want to read thread linked in reference and/or you have read it but you are ignoring that they stole someone's translations, presented them as their own and have tried to claim and/or claimed bounty rewards.

Third, I looked at your trust page and I see that you have included me on this date http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-14_Sat_06.11h/1003533.html so there is no chance that in the last 3 months you didn't see  negative rating on that account, and you really never wondered why negative?

Last thing I will say about this is actually a question, why have you included me if you think that I am "gang member" and you obviously don't trust my judgment?

your job: mafia
kidnapping (from the forum)
threat
silencing
organized crime network
Yallaahhh

@theymos solve this, I trust @theymos
no more idle words
Do you usually trust people who you think they are criminals?

because you didn't support the flag that timelord opened to us

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181603.0



I thought you were a good guy and decided you were reliable. I wish this right decision would continue. but instead you've accumulated. In the meantime, you also sent me message. Foxpop's sad message was above that. Probably triggered it. DT1, 10th anniversary, merit source, etc. The reason I shared this message was to Foxpop, which added me to the distrust list.

Why did you explode? There was nothing about you!

Removed:

Foxpup
Sigh. First I miss out on the art contest badges, now this. There is no justice.



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I've been elected twice. thanks to everyone Smiley



I think everything is very nice, birds, insects, water sounds, songs ...paradise

I've been elected twice. thanks to everyone Smiley

Exactly, insects, you got that right, seems that I missed your post, so you are the one who included scammer and ban evader to your trust list:



Second DT1 account which included scammer to trust list is:




And yes, you will see me very very active because I am very very pissed right now. Fucking scammers and ban evaders becoming DT1 members.

my message date>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>December 04, 2019, 03:24:05 AM


your action:

Ban evasion by scammy DT member - please permaban account - case #1>>>>December 04, 2019, 05:17:58 PM

message you sent me   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>December 05, 2019, 12:20:16 AM   

Ban evasion by DT1 member - please permaban account - case #2  >>>>>>>>December 05, 2019, 12:28:29 AM


who ordered this war?


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December 16, 2019, 11:24:07 PM
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he's still slandering me  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.0
It has to be false for slander, you know. Anyway:



I hope my source google translated it correctly

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he's still slandering me  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.0
It has to be false for slander, you know. Anyway:



I hope my source google translated it correctly

i will ask you one question
do you blame me

if you blame me
i don't leave here

Because criminals run, I don't run
fucking translate does not translate full
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December 16, 2019, 11:33:55 PM
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Jesus... those Turks really got some attention deficit and megalomania just about everywhere you look...

Yeah plz call me a Racist now... you are obviously taking yourself way too important with all those conspiracy theories... time for some popcorn 🍿

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December 16, 2019, 11:38:25 PM
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Jesus... those Turks really got some attention deficit and megalomania just about everywhere you look...

Yeah plz call me a Racist now... you are obviously taking yourself way too important with all those conspiracy theories... time for some popcorn 🍿

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December 16, 2019, 11:47:42 PM
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Jesus... those Turks really got some attention deficit and megalomania just about everywhere you look...

Yeah plz call me a Racist now... you are obviously taking yourself way too important with all those conspiracy theories... time for some popcorn 🍿

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some translate you Wink Grin

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December 16, 2019, 11:48:36 PM
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i will ask you one question
do you blame me

if you blame me
i don't leave here

Because criminals run, I don't run
fucking translate does not translate full
why should I answer
you your question

if you don't want to answer
me my question

you don't run
but you ran away...

answer questions
which I asked

I shall answer
questions you asked

you don't run
but you ran away...

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December 16, 2019, 11:52:20 PM
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i will ask you one question
do you blame me

if you blame me
i don't leave here

Because criminals run, I don't run
fucking translate does not translate full
why should I answer
you your question

if you don't want to answer
me my question

you don't run
but you ran away...

answer questions
which I asked

I shall answer
questions you asked

you don't run
but you ran away...

Man, he is not even capable of writing a single paragraph with sentences normal people understand, lol (and thats not due to the fact he s not that good in English!). And then all that conspiracy bull-shit,  sick of it, really.

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December 16, 2019, 11:53:39 PM
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Turkish statement
two people talking while the third falls to eat shit.

i will ask you one question
do you blame me

if you blame me
i don't leave here

Because criminals run, I don't run
fucking translate does not translate full
why should I answer
you your question

if you don't want to answer
me my question

you don't run
but you ran away...

answer questions
which I asked

I shall answer
questions you asked

you don't run
but you ran away...

Did I run away? Grin
Can you prove that I'm "otto"?
if you can't prove, you slander
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