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December 21, 2019, 01:11:27 AM
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After segwit BTC is not Bitcoin anymore! This is not Original Bitcoin!
It's cannot to sign even transactions with new bech32 addresses

Do not listen fools
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December 21, 2019, 01:23:22 AM
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And yet you have a Segwit address in your sig?

And why are you even putting a NotBitcoin address in there anyway?

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December 21, 2019, 01:28:01 AM
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And yet you have a Segwit address in your sig?

And why are you even putting a NotBitcoin address in there anyway?
it's temporary

most of payments are carried out in this currency
 

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December 21, 2019, 02:46:50 AM
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And yet you have a Segwit address in your sig?

And why are you even putting a NotBitcoin address in there anyway?
it's temporary

most of payments are carried out in this currency
 



i cannot even begin to understand your purpose or reasoning in coming and posting this, when you're actively contradicting yourself. why should anyone listen to you when you, yourself, don't?

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December 21, 2019, 03:08:59 AM
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Who cares?

BTC is not Bitcoin.
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December 21, 2019, 03:10:27 AM
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Who cares?

BTC is not Bitcoin.

well, obviously, YOU care. yet, you use BTC.

and what does it MATTER what "IS bitcoin" anyway? you, yourself, clearly don't give a shit, and go where the money is.

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This is Bitcointalk. Forum under BTC supporters.

And we are struggles with them. Of course our opinion is shit for you
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December 21, 2019, 03:30:57 AM
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And yet you have a Segwit address in your sig?

And why are you even putting a NotBitcoin address in there anyway?
it's temporary

most of payments are carried out in this currency
Ah, so it's only until you figure out that nobody is forced to use SegWit and that anybody (including you) can still use non-SegWit addresses in this currency if they so choose. Roll Eyes

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December 21, 2019, 03:41:17 AM
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Who cares?

BTC is not Bitcoin anymore.

New bech32 addresses is parody. How to sign transaction? No way!

Other addresses are legacy and obsolete

BTC is die slowly and painfully
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December 21, 2019, 04:43:23 AM
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so each time bitcoin adds a new thing it stops being bitcoin, eh?
with that logic bitcoin stopped being bitcoin at least a dozen times starting from the day we started using version one bitcoin addresses instead of paying to public keys, which is what 9 years ago? then again when P2SH was added, then with CLV and CSV,... and so on Cheesy

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Code-wise, Bitcoin is definitely more different compared to years ago. I don't know about you though, but I prefer a project that's continually being developed for it to get better rather than a stagnant project.

Also, if you want to sign messages, then use a legacy address! You're not forced to use SegWit. No one is.

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Anyone else thinks how stupid the "BTC is not Bitcoin" argument is? It's like saying $AMZN is not Amazon anymore because Amazon has moved from selling solely books to now selling a dozen million of products.

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Change and improvement is inevitable. You talk like all things remain the same forever. If you want Bitcoin to still remain the same as it was implemented, and hope that it would still be feasible, then you're wrong. It could have died a long ago if no improvements was made since then. SegWit aims to solve issues on scalability and malleability, and if that hasn't been started long ago, the Bitcoin you're talking about might be more dead than what you think it is after SegWit.

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December 21, 2019, 06:49:47 AM
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Code-wise, Bitcoin is definitely more different compared to years ago. I don't know about you though, but I prefer a project that's continually being developed for it to get better rather than a stagnant project.

Also, if you want to sign messages, then use a legacy address! You're not forced to use SegWit. No one is.
Very adequate answer. If Bitcoin was not constantly improved, it would not be a leader among all cryptocurrencies. Competition among digital assets is a driving factor in their development. And we must admit that the original Bitcoin is now out of competition, this is reflected in its capitalization. Market capitalization reflects investor's confidence in the Bitcoin technology.  



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Super weird that signmessage is being used as the standard of "not bitcoin anymore"-- we created signmessage in 2011, nothing like it was originally part of bitcoin(*). It's always been a kind of half hearted thing: gpg is much better for message signing. It's never worked with multisig or p2sh, for example, and it's usage seems to really depend on address reuse which is harmful to the whole ecosystem.   It would be trivial to extend the signmessage command to common single key bc1q addresses but there just isn't much interest in doing that (though I would also be surprised if something like electrum or whatever hasn't done it), because doing so still wouldn't let it work with multisig or other script types and wouldn't make it a useful alternative to gpg.

I think a lot of people would be more interested in a new message signing format that was based on signing an invalid (forever timelocked or whatever) transaction, because that could be generic for _all_ addresses including multisig and script using ones... Perhaps it could be based on the PSBT message format... but there too it doesn't seem like there is enough interest for anyone to go about implementing it either.

*So we can assume Bitcoin SV is going to remove it, just like the p2sh support needed to pay to the address in their signature...
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December 21, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
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After segwit BTC is not Bitcoin anymore! This is not Original Bitcoin!

If you had phrased it to say that "The current Bitcoin doesn't conform to what I personally believe Bitcoin is", then fair enough.  You're perfectly entitled to that opinion.  But it's not accurate to say that it's "not Bitcoin anymore", because you are not in a position to change the definition of something. 

Imagine if we lived in a world where random idiots had the power to tell us what things are or aren't, just because they don't agree.  Life would become very confusing, very quickly. 

Kindly get a clue, please.

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December 21, 2019, 02:28:51 PM
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After segwit BTC is not Bitcoin anymore! This is not Original Bitcoin!
It's cannot to sign even transactions with new bech32 addresses

Do not listen fools

So far, nobody is saying your opinion is correct. There must be something wrong with your premises as well as your conclusion.

Apparently, your argument seems to suggest that segwit made everything in Bitcoin not original. Why single out segwit? And if by original you mean strictly sticking to the bare version created by Satoshi himself, that further growth and development would only mean letting go of it, then I guess at some point bidding goodbye to the original is necessary. There's always a room for improvement, after all.

By the way, self-moderating this thread does not foster a healthy and open discussion.

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I think a lot of people would be more interested in a new message signing format that was based on signing an invalid (forever timelocked or whatever) transaction, because that could be generic for _all_ addresses including multisig and script using ones... Perhaps it could be based on the PSBT message format... but there too it doesn't seem like there is enough interest for anyone to go about implementing it either.

Are you aware of BIP322 and its PR for Bitcoin Core?  Here's also a short summary and some links to info about its development history.
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December 21, 2019, 03:57:52 PM
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After segwit BTC is not Bitcoin anymore! This is not Original Bitcoin!
It's cannot to sign even transactions with new bech32 addresses

Do not listen fools
BTC is still bitcoin even if they remove something or someone copy it we all know that BTC is the original bitcoin
it's about the branding this is the original those who copy or clone bitcoin is what you can be called altcoin

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