The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)

[nutildah]

User korner is a banned Russian troll who owns over 50 accounts, the most famous of which is Bitcoin SV.

His korner account was banned for ban evasion, with the first banned account being wex.nz.

This thread details how korner is connected to wex.nz. Unsurprisingly, a lot of behavior by korner is carried over to the Bitcoin SV account, most notably, creating a bunch of self-moderated threads then systematically deleting replies which he does not care for.

Another post by Veleor lays out a slew of 31 accounts that all changed their password on the same day, which connects wex.nz with korner and Bitcoin SV:

Accounts Bitcoin Cash, binance.com, Alfabank which opposing the warning in the Bitcoin SV profile most likely belong to one massive farm rig.

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01) October 27, 2018, 01:59:01 PM - password changed [BPIP] mtgox.com
02) October 27, 2018, 01:53:41 PM - password changed [BPIP] binance.com
03) October 27, 2018, 01:51:11 PM - password changed [BPIP] Anti Bitcoin
04) October 27, 2018, 01:26:38 PM - password changed [BPIP] Ethereum Classic
05) October 27, 2018, 01:06:47 PM - password changed [BPIP] Bitcoin Gold
06) October 27, 2018, 11:42:41 AM - woke up                [BPIP] ne0n
07) October 27, 2018, 11:05:10 AM - password changed [BPIP] Bitcoin Cash
08) October 27, 2018, 10:49:31 AM - password changed [BPIP] Bitcoin SV
09) October 27, 2018, 10:20:58 AM - password changed [BPIP] WEX_OFFICIAL
10) October 27, 2018, 10:11:35 AM - password changed [BPIP] Sakasara
11) October 27, 2018, 09:38:44 AM - password changed [BPIP] Kryptoart
12) October 27, 2018, 09:25:20 AM - password changed [BPIP] anna.mayzus ^banned
13) October 27, 2018, 08:19:41 AM - password changed [BPIP] Sara Parker
14) October 27, 2018, 08:13:20 AM - password changed [BPIP] Scamer
15) October 27, 2018, 08:06:58 AM - password changed [BPIP] Skammer
16) October 27, 2018, 07:58:00 AM - password changed [BPIP] Anti Scam
17) October 27, 2018, 07:41:01 AM - password changed [BPIP] CKAMEP
18) October 27, 2018, 07:29:56 AM - password changed [BPIP] ERC-721
19) October 27, 2018, 07:17:01 AM - password changed [BPIP] ERC-223 ^banned
20) October 27, 2018, 06:57:46 AM - password changed [BPIP] WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES
21) October 27, 2018, 06:48:59 AM - password changed [BPIP] wex.com
22) October 27, 2018, 06:42:42 AM - password changed [BPIP] WEX-UNOFFICIAL ^banned
23) October 27, 2018, 06:35:59 AM - password changed [BPIP] btc-e.nz ^banned
24) October 27, 2018, 06:26:43 AM - password changed [BPIP] Alfabank
25) October 27, 2018, 06:07:34 AM - password changed [BPIP] RACIB ^banned
26) October 27, 2018, 05:58:26 AM - password changed [BPIP] novacoin.org
27) October 27, 2018, 05:36:46 AM - password changed [BPIP] Trollface ^banned
28) October 27, 2018, 05:28:53 AM - password changed [BPIP] wex.nz ^banned
29) October 27, 2018, 05:24:02 AM - password changed [BPIP] Anti-Bitcoin ^banned
30) October 27, 2018, 05:15:23 AM - password changed [BPIP] Polizei ^banned
31) October 27, 2018, 05:08:48 AM - password changed [BPIP] korner
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I looked through them one-by-one and a lot of accounts are created on the same days; a few more are now banned (including korner, which is the oldest of the accounts).

Edit: Here is an updated list sent to me by a Russian board user:

55 Accounts Connected:

korner                  banned
WEX-UNOFFICIAL  banned
wex.nz                  banned
Alex LZ Saver        banned
reckon                  banned
CKAMEP                banned
anna.mayzus         banned
btc-e.nz                banned
Kryptoart              
Anti Bitcoin          
Anti-Bitcoin           banned
Sara Parker          
ERC-721
tet8        
ERC-223               banned
Scamer  
Anti Scam             banned
Trollface               banned
Polizei                   banned
Skammer        
RACIB                   banned
Sorbent                banned
exp0it                  banned
Error13                 banned
Alter7                   banned
Alexey Vlasov
KraftsHerz
frnk
Kurabye
ttom777
mtgox.com
binance.com
Ethereum Classic
Bitcoin Gold
ne0n
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin SV
Sakasara
WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES
wex.com
Alfabank
novacoin.org
Cause Rebecca         banned
infekted
Viva-E Official
Olga Buzova
STOP SCAM              banned
KOPHEP
Bordijo
VIVA-E
WEX-SCAM
Anti-DT Alliance
Virsec
Anti-Polizei
Alert!

This post about korner sums up a lot of what is now happening in the Bitcoin SV ANN thread:

He removes from their topics all messages but messages of his alt accounts. He talks to himself in his topics.

Another reason to ban the Bitcoin SV account would be that he is obviously running their ANN thread under the guise that he is employed by nChain, which surely constitutes some kind of impersonation attempt (whether it be Craig Wright or Satoshi or whoever at nChain).

Find a job nutildah. And we have a job already (At nChain)
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Don't listen to anyone. Only BSV - is Original Bitcoin now. Satoshi Vision. We are friends with the authorities

I am Satoshi, fools

He's also been doing quite a bit of trolling as of late, infesting other threads instead of sticking in his own:

oh my god, offtop isn ot good

let's talk about mosprognoz.

oh my god,  mosprognoz is an antiworldcore propaganda paid agent

mosprognoz SCAM

BTC is not Bitcoin
Satoshi is not Nakamoto

Theymos, please help. Close this trolls topic, which did not pass the interview for job at BSV thread
We have received a lot of spam of them, they had offering his services of thread supporting

They brazenly demanded a paidable signature to wear it.
They threatened us to mark us and our associates, if we do not

Basically, I think Bitcoin SV should be banned for ban evasion as there's several factors that connect him with korner:

- password change on the same day as korner and same day as several other alts suspected to belong to korner
- regularly creates moderated threads then systematically deletes replies with which he does not agree
- has a habit of claiming to represent a certain company, exchange or coin that he does not work for (the WEX exchange is the best example of this)
- is prone to trust system and flag abuse (korner opened more than 50 flags)

If you have anything you'd like to add to pointing out the similarities between korner and Bitcoin SV, or other evidence linking the two accounts, please feel free to present it in this thread. Thanks.

Local rule: no posts by The-One-Above-All, TECSHARE, Quickseller or his alt(s).

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[mindrust]

This is getting interesting. I thought this was a random forum retard but now it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.

Like Roger wasn't enough.

[LoyceV]

it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.

I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.

[suchmoon]

it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.

I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.

They're doing a shit job at promoting. If anything this is anti-promotion, these trolls are basically mocking BSV and CSW by creating a bunch of sockpuppets trying to impersonate other forum members etc.

[mindrust]

it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.

I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.

They're doing a shit job at promoting. If anything this is anti-promotion, these trolls are basically mocking BSV and CSW by creating a bunch of sockpuppets trying to impersonate other forum members etc.

We are not their target audience.

Other scammers are.

BSV and BCASH are competing against each other. Not bitcoin.

[o_e_l_e_o]

They're doing a shit job at promoting.

Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

I'm sure CSW is fully aware that trying to change the opinion of established bitcoin users is pointless - no one wants to touch his shitcoin. Brand new users though who don't understand the difference? They are prime material for being duped in to buying some bags. Ver has been preying on uninformed newbies for years, maybe CSW wants some of that action too.

[DireWolfM14]

They're doing a shit job at promoting.

Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

[suchmoon]

They're doing a shit job at promoting.

Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

Are you saying it's an actual strategy? To me it looks like just some garbage generated by an unhinged sockpuppeting troll, and if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.

I'd rather have them waste their time in that stupid thread than reading months of complaints in Meta if they get banned but maybe that's just me.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

I'm not holding my breath for any serious enforcement of ban evasions now that we have ban-evading DT members.

[nutildah]

I don't actually believe korner was hired by nChain or whoever to run the Bitcoin SV account, though I can't rule out the possibility completely. He's certainly not very knowledgeable about BSV, at one point claiming that half of Satoshi was a bunch of "barefoot Indian coders" (while the other half was Craig Wright, obviously).

I think what's more likely is he has a lot of fun roleplaying as the voice/community manager of different coins, exchanges, and companies. His long-standing goal is to be as disruptive to the forum as possible -- posters of the Russian local board will attest to this.

As far as complaints on Meta about it are concerned, I don't foresee that actually being a problem, but more like entertainment. What rational argument does a banned user actually have for being allowed to engage in ban evasion?

In this thread I'd like to build a solid case that Bitcoin SV is korner before reporting Bitcoin SV for ban evasion. I was kind of hoping some members from Russian local could chime in with something I may have missed before proceeding.

[hacker1001101001]

In this thread I'd like to build a solid case that Bitcoin SV is korner before reporting Bitcoin SV for ban evasion. I was kind of hoping some members from Russian local could chime in with something I may have missed before proceeding.

By comparing the posts history of Bitcoin SV and korner they don't look like the same person operating both the accounts. As Bitcoin SV has very less knowledge about crypto, atleast lesser than Korner. Hope you remember Bitcoin SV can't even sign a proper message from a BTC address here

I think you would have more stronger case of Bitcoin SV being banned, by pointing his trolling in support of BSV and against BTC. All of his posts seems to be 100% trolling motivated and he could be banned for it.

3. No trolling.

[o_e_l_e_o]

if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.

I'm pretty sure that's BSV's core demographic.

I think you would have more stronger case of Bitcoin SV being banned, by pointing his trolling in support of BSV and against BTC.

The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

[nutildah]

The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

One of the Russian moderators still takes it into consideration -- I'm not certain if this is the reason why the wex.nz account was banned, am trying to get some clarity in that thread about it:

Forum rules

3. No trolling.

Regardless, now that he's outside of the Russian section, I'll make an appeal to have Bitcoin SV banned using the same logic that korner was banned (both updated their password on the same day). However, Bitcoin SV has not admitted he is korner, guess he doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. That's why its tricky.

[Xal0lex]

The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

One of the Russian moderators still takes it into consideration -- I'm not certain if this is the reason why the wex.nz account was banned, am trying to get some clarity in that thread about it:

Forum rules

3. No trolling.

Look at the list of his posts and you'll see why he was banned.

[hacker1001101001]

Look at the list of his posts and you'll see why he was banned.

Did he just broke the very first rule which led him to a ban, doesn't looks like trolling to me either.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

[DireWolfM14]

Are you saying it's an actual strategy?

I'm afraid it is a strategy.  The trolling coupled with deflection could convince a naive individual that the rest of us are really the trolls.

To me it looks like just some garbage generated by an unhinged sockpuppeting troll, and if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.

Naivete and the lack of experience doesn't automatically mean someone is dumb.  It wasn't that long ago that I would have refereed to myself as naive and inexperienced, and I'd like to think of myself as "not dumb."

I'm not holding my breath for any serious enforcement of ban evasions now that we have ban-evading DT members.

I agree with Nutildah that the Bitcoin SV account is probably controlled by the same person as Korner, but I'm not sure I would ban the account based on the evidence presented here.  I would would want something more concrete.

The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

Unfortunately trolling is subjective.  At what point does a contentious debate turn into "trolling?"  

We can all agree that Bitcoin SV, cryptohunter et al, game-protect, and roach are trolls, and probably should be banned for trolling.  Almost any other forum I've frequented would have banned them for a fraction of what they've been able to get away with.  But those aren't this forum.  One of the reasons I love this forum as much as I do is because of the freedom allowed, and the tolerance of moderators.  I tend to believe theymos wants a forum with no restrictions on speech, with an emphasis on freedom.  I can get behind that.  If it means dealing with these shitbirds, that's a price worth paying in my opinion.

[Theb]

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

The ANN thread for BSV was created in August 2018 were using fake conversations are very useful to bump the thread up that is why they create a lot of accounts just to do a fake conversation in that thread. Simply they are hoping for that bumps they have in the past can translate to more views for their thread.  Bitcoin SV on the other hand cannot be banned for trolling in the forum even if they are spreading false news against Bitcoin itself, so really the only way to permaban this account is to connect them to korner or one of the 50 accounts connected to him and be banned for ban evasion. But from the looks of it OP really doesn't have any concrete evidence to ban Bitcoin SV since there is no direct connection from what he have said since he only connected Bitcoin SV and korner to some kind of habits they have in the forum that are very similar and it would take a whole lot more for them to be directly associated to one another like using the same address, posting the same contact info or anything that can connect them as one person.

[mindrust]

BSV and BCASH are competing against each other. Not bitcoin.

Competing on BTC forum? Sounds weird if you ask me

Nope it is not that weird.

Their target audience is scammers and there are lots of scammers in this forum.

The more scammers they add to their arsenal, the stronger their scam gets.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Unfortunately trolling is subjective.

I completely agree with your points regarding freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to disrupt and derail. I'd never dream of trying to have posts deleted or users banned simply because they are expressing unpopular opinions. The whole point of freedom of speech is protect unpopular opinions; popular opinions don't need protecting. I'm sure you've seen the relevant XKCD which explains it well. However, CH/TOAA (as an example), has literally been posting the same nonsense regarding trust/merit/gangs/inner circles/etc. for over a year now. Any thread remotely related to merit or trust, he shows up with the same wall of nonsense, and the thread is rapidly derailed. I don't know of anyone who has reasonably defended that, or possibly could, as "not trolling".

Furthermore, the most commonly broken rule is subjective too. Who decides what is low value or uninteresting? Why enforce the spam rule but not the trolling rule?

[suchmoon]

Furthermore, the most commonly broken rule is subjective too. Who decides what is low value or uninteresting? Why enforce the spam rule but not the trolling rule?

The way I see it trolling requires intent and moderators are reluctant to judge intent.

Low value post can still be low value even if the author didn't intend for it to be low value and that's easier to judge objectively. Trolling is only trolling if the troll intended to troll and not e.g. to express their opinion in an inflammatory way.

[Veleor]

Unfortunately trolling is subjective.  At what point does a contentious debate turn into "trolling?"

There are some recommendations from admin to identify trolls.

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Habitual trolls are not welcome because they disrupt real discussion. Here are the recommendations (not policy) that I wrote for mods regarding trolls:

Trolls should be banned because they disrupt serious discussion. Identifying trolls is often difficult, however. I like to think in terms of "troll score": the higher the troll score, the more likely it is that a person is a troll. Examples of things that affect troll score:
- Having crazy positions (racism, etc.): large increase
- Posting long, well-reasoned posts: large decrease
- High posts-to-time-online ratio: small increase
- Been around for a long time: moderate decrease
- Posting many images: mild increase
- Much discussion of illegal sites: very mild increase
- Requires more moderation than is typical: moderate increase
- Using vulgarity, insults, or memes excessively: mild increase
- Posting topics with undescriptive titles: mild increase
- Seems disdainful of the Bitcoin community in general: mild increase
- Bumping old posts a lot: mild increase
- Giving people bad advice: mild increase
- Poor spelling/grammar: slight increase
- Criticizing moderation: moderate increase
- Complaining about anything: small increase
- Uses ad hominem attacks with unusual frequency: moderate increase
- Lying: moderate increase
- Inconsistent positions: moderate increase
- Posting the same arguments over and over again without bothering to respond to arguments against them: moderate increase
- Posting topics that will obviously evoke emotional responses: slight increase
- Posting replies that are themselves on-topic but which will obviously tend to bring the discussion off-topic: moderate increase
- Bumping old threads with replies that are not really worthwhile: moderate increase

None of these things alone warrant a warning, but when they occur habitually or when someone does many of them, they indicate that the poster is a troll.

Warn people who are doing many trollish things. Tell me if that doesn't help.